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  • DerekCarty

    ESPN, RotoGrinders - Creator of The BAT, MLB Scout School Grad, LABR Champ

    I couldn’t be happier to announce that my DFS MLB projection system, THE BAT, is launching today here at RotoGrinders! If you’ve used THE BAT over the past couple years, there’s probably not much more that I need to tell you; you know how much it can help your DFS game. If you haven’t heard of it yet, I’d like to think you’ll be happy you have now.

    What is THE BAT?

    I’ve developed THE BAT over the past six years and close to ten thousand hours, using skills and methods I’ve developed from my time in the sabermetric community working with some of the best baseball minds in the world, many of whom are now making decisions for Major League clubs. Skills and methods that help set THE BAT apart from your run-of-the-mill Vegas or wOBA model. Vegas and wOBA are shortcuts, plain and simple, and any model that relies on them will give you results and lineups that are shortcuts and, therefore, suboptimal. THE BAT goes well beyond that, incorporating everything wOBA or Vegas can tell you but in a more complex way and with plenty of layers and features on top. And it works with RotoGrinders’ Lineup Builder, helping you build your ideal lineups for both cash games and GPPs.

    Purchase THE BAT Here

    What Goes Into THE BAT?

    While I was developing my system, the code name I used for it was BATMAN, named after a certain caped crusader who 1) Is awesome, like I intended my system to be, and 2) Uses all sorts of gadgets to get the job done, which is the perfect analogy for my system. As far as I can tell, THE BAT takes into account more factors and has more features than any other system out there. You can get more details here, but to list a few, every single day THE BAT considers:

    • Opposing Hitter/Pitcher
    • Ballpark
    • Weather
    • Umpire
    • Catcher Throwing, Intimidation, and Framing
    • Bullpen
    • League
    • Home Field Advantage
    • Platoon Splits (Hitter/Pitcher/Park/Umpire/Catcher)
    • Role
    • Lineup Position
    • Quality of Surrounding Lineup
    • And more, explained further in THE BAT FAQ

    And THE BAT doesn’t just take what a player has done at face value. There’s a big difference between past performance and expected performance, and that’s why each one of these factors has its own underlying projection system so that THE BAT can have the best estimate of how well everyone and everything should perform going forward.

    What’s New for 2016?

    For those who’ve used THE BAT before, I hope you’ll be as excited as I am for some of the features that are new for 2016. While plenty of smaller upgrades have been made, the two biggest ones are the inclusion of weather data (temperature, wind, humidity, and several others that impact on-field performance) and minor league data.

    So when this year’s version of Carlos Correa gets called up, THE BAT will already have an exact projection for how good he is based on his entire professional career. Along with minor league data is Asian player data. With a record number of Asian imports this winter, DFS players will quickly realize they need to know their Byung Ho Parks (potential cleanup hitter for Minnesota) from their Kenta Maedas (Dodgers number-two starter). While other systems wait for these guys to accrue MLB stats or make a conservative initial guess, THE BAT is already taking into account their body of work Japan and Korea and translating it to the context of Major League Baseball.

    Wrigley Wind: No More Guesswork

    One of the most exciting parts of my new weather formulas is eliminating the guesswork on days when there is wind blowing in Wrigley. We all know wind can make a difference, especially in Wrigley, but how much of a difference? Instead of guessing how many guys to try and squeeze into your lineup, THE BAT will weigh the exact importance of the wind in conjunction with every other factor for the game and help you make the best decision possible.

    Why RotoGrinders?

    I debated taking THE BAT off the market this year to just use for my own play, but when it came down to it, I just love the DFS community. I love helping and teaching. That was why I started doing this in the first place, and that was one of the driving factors behind my decision to join RotoGrinders. This site and these forums are a community, and I’m looking forward to being a part of it and helping you all at DFS through my articles, expert chats, radio spots, GrindersLive appearances, and by making my projection system available.

    How Do I Buy THE BAT?

    Simply head over to this page and follow the instructions, to purchase THE BAT! – If you have any questions, please post them here, or feel free to email TheBAT@RotoGrinders.com at anytime. I’m happy to answer any questions you have about myself, THE BAT, or DFS in general.

    I wish you the best of luck this season! Just four days until Opening Day!

    THE BAT Projection System Tutorial Video

    Updates/Notes/FAQ (Last updated April 5th)

    - Feedback has been received on monthly subscriptions & trials. RG & I are talking over solutions, but in the mean time keep in mind that refunds are possible if you are unsatisfied. Please remember that this is a new product offering to RotoGrinders, and the Tech Team can’t immediately add a monthly or trial at the moment. We’ll continue to discuss solutions long-term, but the refund options is available for those interested in demoing THE BAT.

    - IMPORTANT NOTE: – Please keep all posts on-topic with questions related to THE BAT. Any posts about the industry as a whole, or not on-topic, will be removed. Thanks, The RG Mod Team

  • ElSlappo

    Hello – is this included or will it at any time be included as part of RG MLB incentives, or is it a separate purchase?

  • Ross

    Hi,

    THE BAT is separate from our incentives premium content subscriptions. Once purchased, your subscription to THE BAT will last for the duration of the 2016 MLB season.

  • myb821

    Kind of pricey at $150.

  • Ross
    @myb821 said...

    Kind of pricey at $150.

    Baseball is a very long season. If you look at how many MLB slates there are over the next 6 months, I think its a very fair price.

  • myb821

    @RRT said...

    Baseball is a very long season. If you look at how many MLB slates there are over the next 6 months, I think its a very fair price.

    Yea but its hard to judge the worth of something without being able to see it at all. A small suggestion would be to give some sort of trial for a smaller price.

  • DerekCarty

    ESPN, RotoGrinders - Creator of The BAT, MLB Scout School Grad, LABR Champ

    Yup, with roughly 180 playable MLB days, you’re looking at less than a dollar a day. If you’re playing any kind of volume, for the quality, it’s well worth it IMO. Although, I am biased ;)

  • KillaChap

    @DerekCarty said...

    Yup, with roughly 180 playable MLB days, you’re looking at less than a dollar a day. If you’re playing any kind of volume, for the quality, it’s well worth it IMO. Although, I am biased ;)

    How about running a trial program to give users a chance to test it out and see if it works out for them? For example, I paid for the NBA Incentives because of one article piece that was added late in the year. I don’t doubt your success, or the success of your system and might just pay for it myself, but a 7 day trial program might help attract more subscribers.

  • DerekCarty

    ESPN, RotoGrinders - Creator of The BAT, MLB Scout School Grad, LABR Champ

    Yeah, I’ve gotten that suggestion a lot over the past couple years of offering it. The reason I’ve never offered trials is that baseball is inherently a high-variance sport, and test driving the system for a week would accomplish very little. What needs to be understood for anyone playing DFS MLB with the goal of winning (and which I’m sure most RG readers understand) is that even though it’s called “daily fantasy,” it truly needs to be approached from a long-term perspective. Anything can happen in a short amount of time — Mike Trout has weeks where he hits .125 — but in the long-run things even out. While anything can happen in a one-week test drive, win or lose it shouldn’t make any difference to someone who is looking to use THE BAT effectively. While there are no guarantees when it comes to predicting the future, the sound methodology, process, and analytical rigor behind THE BAT (and its track record) stand on their own. And it’s important for anyone hoping to use a system like THE BAT effectively (or anyone hoping to profit from DFS in general) to realize that a sound process is vastly more important than any results of a trial sample.

  • myb821

    @derekcarty I am not doubting you but the only thing we have showing the process is sound is you saying it. I am sure it is a great projection but there is no way for me to know that without someway to judge it. You talk about a “track record” but where can we see this “track record”? The only thing we have is you claiming it is a good projection system. I am not trying to be a jerk but you making claims is all great and good and they do carry weight because of who you are but where is the proof that the BAT has a good track record for DFS?

  • glennantz

    You need a monthly trial. That would be long enough to tell if someone likes it or not.

  • jman3034

    @glennantz said...

    You need a monthly trial. That would be long enough to tell if someone likes it or not.

    Agreed. Would love to test it out before spending $150 on it.

    Not doubting your work or anything like that at all, but with all of the other rankings, projections, write up, etc/ already on here, what makes this one unique/any different then the incentives already provided in the premium content?

  • pculv

    Yeah I agree, it looks like an amazing tool, but $150 is a steep price to pay without any type assurance that it will help you be successful. A 7 day trial would be perfect to let us see what kind of data we could get from this system. What also would really be great would be a monthly/weekly subscription option. I would easily pay $30 a month for access to this tool and in the long run that makes you guys more money.

  • yort05

    Derek have you done any projection correlation analysis for last seasons data?
    Or is it possible for us to take a look last seasons projections?

  • Ross

    Today’s podcast with Dan and Derek has some great info about THE BAT projection system and MLB DFS. Click here to listen.

  • SmartWater

    Marketing and Social Media Manager

    SOO PUMPED! I used The BAT all of last year when it was with Fantasy Insiders, so I could not be more happy Derek brought it to RotoGrinders. If you don’t know Derek, the dude legit eats, sleeps, and breaths baseball.

    I was pretty blown away last year by just how accurate the model was, especially when it comes to picking the right pitchers (and we all know how important that is). There are write ups daily across the industry but NO ONE is taking into more factors and constantly updating like THE BAT is.

    Honestly, $150 is steal for how much money it can make you.

  • mwright286

    Any non Rotogrinders employees that have signed up for this service have any opinions? I realize the season has not started, but would like to hear some feedback from some people who have signed up and used this once season starts. Some of us only play $1 a day in DFS, so hard to justify paying yet. I am curious, but just would like to hear some feedback from a current or previous user of this service.

  • ramagosr

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    Does the model incorporate pricing for all major sites or just FD/DK (point per dollar calculations)? Specifically thinking about yahoo and fantasy aces. I see those tabs in your screenshot but not any pricing data on the screen. Additionally, consider making a short video of someone actually using The Bat so we can get a sense of functionality. I know that last year I paid for fantasy cruncher not for the projections but just because I wasn’t a fan of the functionality of the lineup builder on RG at that time. Would really appreciate getting a sense of the visuals and usage.

  • 77racing

    @DerekCarty said...

    Yeah, I’ve gotten that suggestion a lot over the past couple years of offering it. The reason I’ve never offered trials is that baseball is inherently a high-variance sport, and test driving the system for a week would accomplish very little. What needs to be understood for anyone playing DFS MLB with the goal of winning (and which I’m sure most RG readers understand) is that even though it’s called “daily fantasy,” it truly needs to be approached from a long-term perspective. Anything can happen in a short amount of time — Mike Trout has weeks where he hits .125 — but in the long-run things even out. While anything can happen in a one-week test drive, win or lose it shouldn’t make any difference to someone who is looking to use THE BAT effectively. While there are no guarantees when it comes to predicting the future, the sound methodology, process, and analytical rigor behind THE BAT (and its track record) stand on their own. And it’s important for anyone hoping to use a system like THE BAT effectively (or anyone hoping to profit from DFS in general) to realize that a sound process is vastly more important than any results of a trial sample.

    Disagree 100 percent ..Let the would be customer decide if it fits his/her needs ..A one week trial hurts nothing

  • edro990

    @DerekCarty said...

    And it’s important for anyone hoping to use a system like THE BAT effectively (or anyone hoping to profit from DFS in general) to realize that a sound process is vastly more important than any results of a trial sample.

    Is there a tutorial available with the subscription to help subscribers understand and utilize it effectively?

  • tvsfrink

    I think even a 1-day trial would be worthwhile, not to test the results, but to test the interface. I am considering this but it’s tough to pull the trigger on $150 without even being able to play around with it once.

  • jimmyrad

    Seeing as weather is involved, how often do the projections/forecasts update throughout the day?

  • jimmyrad

    @tvsfrink said...

    I think even a 1-day trial would be worthwhile, not to test the results, but to test the interface. I am considering this but it’s tough to pull the trigger on $150 without even being able to play around with it once.

    I agree 100%….

  • headChopper

    RG Contributor (OG Status)

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    @mwright286 said...

    Any non Rotogrinders employees that have signed up for this service have any opinions? I realize the season has not started, but would like to hear some feedback from some people who have signed up and used this once season starts. Some of us only play $1 a day in DFS, so hard to justify paying yet. I am curious, but just would like to hear some feedback from a current or previous user of this service.

    Yeah, if you’re playing $1 a day then I wouldn’t worry about investing in something this expensive. That would be like putting $5K worth of rims on a 1982 Pinto

  • proshares

    Last year was my first year playing MLB DFS and I almost exclusively used The BAT’s projections when it was on FI. I’d highly recommend it to anyone who can afford it and wants to get serious/be profitable in MLB DFS. It helped immensely, I was someone who likes to think I know a ton about MLB but close to nothing about MLB DFS and The BAT pretty much got me close to the top 1,000 in MLB.

  • emac

    @headChopper said...

    That would be like putting $5K worth of rims on a 1982 Pinto

    That would be so BOSS!!!!

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