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  • DerekCarty

    ESPN, RotoGrinders - Creator of The BAT, MLB Scout School Grad, LABR Champ

    I couldn’t be happier to announce that my DFS MLB projection system, THE BAT, is launching today here at RotoGrinders! If you’ve used THE BAT over the past couple years, there’s probably not much more that I need to tell you; you know how much it can help your DFS game. If you haven’t heard of it yet, I’d like to think you’ll be happy you have now.

    What is THE BAT?

    I’ve developed THE BAT over the past six years and close to ten thousand hours, using skills and methods I’ve developed from my time in the sabermetric community working with some of the best baseball minds in the world, many of whom are now making decisions for Major League clubs. Skills and methods that help set THE BAT apart from your run-of-the-mill Vegas or wOBA model. Vegas and wOBA are shortcuts, plain and simple, and any model that relies on them will give you results and lineups that are shortcuts and, therefore, suboptimal. THE BAT goes well beyond that, incorporating everything wOBA or Vegas can tell you but in a more complex way and with plenty of layers and features on top. And it works with RotoGrinders’ Lineup Builder, helping you build your ideal lineups for both cash games and GPPs.

    Purchase THE BAT Here

    What Goes Into THE BAT?

    While I was developing my system, the code name I used for it was BATMAN, named after a certain caped crusader who 1) Is awesome, like I intended my system to be, and 2) Uses all sorts of gadgets to get the job done, which is the perfect analogy for my system. As far as I can tell, THE BAT takes into account more factors and has more features than any other system out there. You can get more details here, but to list a few, every single day THE BAT considers:

    • Opposing Hitter/Pitcher
    • Ballpark
    • Weather
    • Umpire
    • Catcher Throwing, Intimidation, and Framing
    • Bullpen
    • League
    • Home Field Advantage
    • Platoon Splits (Hitter/Pitcher/Park/Umpire/Catcher)
    • Role
    • Lineup Position
    • Quality of Surrounding Lineup
    • And more, explained further in THE BAT FAQ

    And THE BAT doesn’t just take what a player has done at face value. There’s a big difference between past performance and expected performance, and that’s why each one of these factors has its own underlying projection system so that THE BAT can have the best estimate of how well everyone and everything should perform going forward.

    What’s New for 2016?

    For those who’ve used THE BAT before, I hope you’ll be as excited as I am for some of the features that are new for 2016. While plenty of smaller upgrades have been made, the two biggest ones are the inclusion of weather data (temperature, wind, humidity, and several others that impact on-field performance) and minor league data.

    So when this year’s version of Carlos Correa gets called up, THE BAT will already have an exact projection for how good he is based on his entire professional career. Along with minor league data is Asian player data. With a record number of Asian imports this winter, DFS players will quickly realize they need to know their Byung Ho Parks (potential cleanup hitter for Minnesota) from their Kenta Maedas (Dodgers number-two starter). While other systems wait for these guys to accrue MLB stats or make a conservative initial guess, THE BAT is already taking into account their body of work Japan and Korea and translating it to the context of Major League Baseball.

    Wrigley Wind: No More Guesswork

    One of the most exciting parts of my new weather formulas is eliminating the guesswork on days when there is wind blowing in Wrigley. We all know wind can make a difference, especially in Wrigley, but how much of a difference? Instead of guessing how many guys to try and squeeze into your lineup, THE BAT will weigh the exact importance of the wind in conjunction with every other factor for the game and help you make the best decision possible.

    Why RotoGrinders?

    I debated taking THE BAT off the market this year to just use for my own play, but when it came down to it, I just love the DFS community. I love helping and teaching. That was why I started doing this in the first place, and that was one of the driving factors behind my decision to join RotoGrinders. This site and these forums are a community, and I’m looking forward to being a part of it and helping you all at DFS through my articles, expert chats, radio spots, GrindersLive appearances, and by making my projection system available.

    How Do I Buy THE BAT?

    Simply head over to this page and follow the instructions, to purchase THE BAT! – If you have any questions, please post them here, or feel free to email TheBAT@RotoGrinders.com at anytime. I’m happy to answer any questions you have about myself, THE BAT, or DFS in general.

    I wish you the best of luck this season! Just four days until Opening Day!

    THE BAT Projection System Tutorial Video

    Updates/Notes/FAQ (Last updated April 5th)

    - Feedback has been received on monthly subscriptions & trials. RG & I are talking over solutions, but in the mean time keep in mind that refunds are possible if you are unsatisfied. Please remember that this is a new product offering to RotoGrinders, and the Tech Team can’t immediately add a monthly or trial at the moment. We’ll continue to discuss solutions long-term, but the refund options is available for those interested in demoing THE BAT.

    - IMPORTANT NOTE: – Please keep all posts on-topic with questions related to THE BAT. Any posts about the industry as a whole, or not on-topic, will be removed. Thanks, The RG Mod Team

  • KillaChap

    @headChopper said...

    Yeah, if you’re playing $1 a day then I wouldn’t worry about investing in something this expensive. That would be like putting $5K worth of rims on a 1982 Pinto

    All it takes is 1 big one start playing $100 per day and so on and so on and so on….

    That’s what I’ve been telling myself for the last year!

  • btwice80

    @headChopper said...

    Yeah, if you’re playing $1 a day then I wouldn’t worry about investing in something this expensive. That would be like putting $5K worth of rims on a 1982 Pinto

    I was about to say pretty much the same. If you’re playing even $5-$10 per day, I wouldn’t pay for any content/analysis whatsoever. In fact, this will be the first time I’ve ever paid for any.

  • theleafnode

    I am very very interested, but would love to have a look at the interface to see if it works with my process. I think $150 is easily worth it if it fits my process, but if it doesn’t it will end up just being a very expensive trial. I imagine that most folks will not evaluate it based on results, but rather if it’s usable for them day to day.

    Hell, I’d even settle for having a way to play with it based on an arbitrary day last season.

  • kdjac0434

    @theleafnode said...

    I am very very interested, but would love to have a look at the interface to see if it works with my process. I think $150 is easily worth it if it fits my process, but if it doesn’t it will end up just being a very expensive trial. I imagine that most folks will not evaluate it based on results, but rather if it’s usable for them day to day.

    Hell, I’d even settle for having a way to play with it based on an arbitrary day last season.

    I’ll +1 that. I’d like to be able to play around with it to see if the interface is something I like.

  • larin1477

    • Blogger of the Month

    When I look at it from my point of view last season. (My first) I was (and still am a micro stakes player) I signed up for the $25/month DK incentives. I feel like it helped me win a mini shot for $800 as well as a few other high finishes in MLB. So to me it was worth it even tho when I started I was playing $1 to $3 a day. A trial in my opinion wouldn’t work as the variance in MLB is too high. A monthly subscription is the way to go IMHO. That way if you really don’t like it your only locked in for 30 days.

  • squidkill

    @headChopper said...

    Yeah, if you’re playing $1 a day then I wouldn’t worry about investing in something this expensive. That would be like putting $5K worth of rims on a 1982 Pinto

    $1 a day isn’t
    even worth logging on… do people play $1 a day?

  • careymahoney

    • 2014 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    Hey Grinders,

    I used THE BAT last season (joined FI exclusively to get access, and it ended up costing much more than $150 with season tools access and THE BAT add on) and it definitely paid for itself. As Derek mentions above, the high variance of MLB makes it difficult to judge over the short run. Thus, I look at it as an investment not as a cost. Some of the other competitors are in the $50 to $75 range a month, so a one-time cost of $150 is easily justifiable for me.

    The other major consideration is the time savings you get from THE BAT. The variables are similar to what I would look at on my own…splits, opposing pitcher, park factors (although much more comprehensive and complex…e.g. umpires, weather, minor league stats for young players, etc). You still have to think for yourself and make decisions based on either your gut, game theory, or other research, but THE BAT saves hours of time per day to get you to the place where you can think about higher-level concepts in lineup construction rather than just pulling data.

    Ultimately, over the course of a six-month season, the $150 price tag for (my opinion) the best tool out there, is a bargain.

    Happy grinding in 2016!
    Adam
    careymahoney

  • BmoreClutch

    $150 for the season isn’t terrible when you consider what sites like Fantasy Labs charge per month. But I do think there should be a trial so people can see if they actually like the product before putting out that much money.

  • cAUmberlandtiger8

    I dont think many people who are serious about DFS baseball would mind paying $150. I believe the bigger issue is buying it without driving it first. Is there anyway to do 2 weeks for $15 or $20 so that you are able to look at the interface and navigability?

  • KillaChap

    @squidkill said...

    $1 a day isn’t
    even worth logging on… do people play $1 a day?

    People like us are the people you beat. If we all left, DFS would cease to exist as it is today. Keep it up….

  • stalkers1770

    I dont see why there cant be a monthly subscription option to go along with the full season option. What if your state bans DFS a month into the MLB season? Or if you just decide MLB isnt your thing and quit playing a few weeks into the season after paying the full price? Will the price drop as the season progresses? Just seems kind of shady to want to get all the money upfront without any other options. If the product is as good as advertised it will sell itself.

  • pep4464

    Can you export from the BAT?

  • dakimbell

    I have no affiliation with RG, and used the BAT quite a bit last year in my daily research and analysis, undoubtedly helped me win some nice tournaments last year and think it is worth the price tag. However, I also do agree that a trial should be offered. I read above about a 1 week trial offer, Derek saying that this is too short to account for variance. Agreed, but why not do a 30 day trial offer (for a fee) to give the members here an idea of how it fits their routine. 30 days is almost 17% of the season, and plenty of time to figure out if the customer thinks that it is helping their routine.

  • coreyinsocal

    You can’t sort the batters by position. That’s a big negative.

  • careymahoney

    • 2014 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    Last year’s version had .csv export

  • Cameron

    RG Co-Founder

    • 2014 FanDuel NFL Survivor Champion

    • 2016 RG Season Long Champion: NFL

    Hey Guys, thanks for all the feedback here! Couple notes:

    - The BAT is an amazing, premium product. We heard so many review’s like CareyMahoney’s during last season, that when Derek Carty told us he was interested in bringing TheBAT to RotoGrinders, we jumped on the opportunity. I’m so excited to use the projection model he’s spent over 10,000 hours on, while I build my MLB lineups this season. – Check out his interview w/ DB on the podcast today, if you want more info on Derek, his new role w/ RG, and The BAT.

    - We are closely following all feedback here. Releasing a one-time purchase product like this is our first experience in selling a solo-product on RotoGrinders. I can totally see why members used to our monthly Incentives subscription might find this up-front pricing different. We view The BAT as a premium add-on, and we stand by the price point of $149 being well-worth the product for the season. That said, we are open to these pricing suggestions. I’ll discuss with Carty, and our Web Development team to see if any sort of trial or monthly plan is possible/good, and I’ll follow up about that in the future. – Any changes would require some development work, so they wouldn’t be possible in the short-term. So, in the interim, Derek is going to try to put together a video of TheBAT in action, with him using it in RotoGrinders’ lineup builder, while putting in actual lineups on FanDuel or DraftKings, for those that wanted to see a sample of THE BAT in action.

    Thanks, and happy MLB Season!

  • Unico10

    • 707

      RG Overall Ranking

    @Cameron said...

    So, in the interim, Derek is going to try to put together a video of TheBAT in action, with him using it in RotoGrinders’ lineup builder, while putting in actual lineups on FanDuel or DraftKings, for those that wanted to see a sample of THE BAT in action.

    That will help and what I thought was already in the video posted now!

  • lirams

    Beside using this tool last year on FI, did you subscribe to other offerings? Daily roto, fantasyalarm… Sometimes having too much data can be overwhelming, thus want to understand if this is a compliment or replacement.

  • doctor_doom

    • 2016 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    • 2019 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    Sounds like a reasonable price for a serious player. I play $25 and above. I am getting it. I don’t have time to do complete in-depth analysis on a daily basis and if it can speed up my analysis, it is worth every penny. I suggest the rest of you don’t buy it so I can make more money while you guys are moaning about what might have been. Thumbs up! See you at the Baseball World Championships!

  • ramagosr

    Appreciate the update. I just purchased and I’m really excited to add this to my process this year especially in conjunction with the more narrative based info that JMtoWin provides. I think having Derek do a solid tutorial video demonstrating process for incorporating TheBAT will be super helpful. Thanks!

  • Digglesauce

    IMPULSE BUY

  • Digglesauce

    @Cameron said...

    Hey Guys, thanks for all the feedback here! Couple notes:

    - The BAT is an amazing, premium product. We heard so many review’s like CareyMahoney’s during last season, that when Derek Carty told us he was interested in bringing TheBAT to RotoGrinders, we jumped on the opportunity. I’m so excited to use the projection model he’s spent over 10,000 hours on, while I build my MLB lineups this season. – Check out his interview w/ DB on the podcast today, if you want more info on Derek, his new role w/ RG, and The BAT.

    - We are closely following all feedback here. Releasing a one-time purchase product like this is our first experience in selling a solo-product on RotoGrinders. I can totally see why members used to our monthly Incentives subscription might find this up-front pricing different. We view The BAT as a premium add-on, and we stand by the price point of $149 being well-worth the product for the season. That said, we are open to these pricing suggestions. I’ll discuss with Carty, and our Web Development team to see if any sort of trial or monthly plan is possible/good, and I’ll follow up about that in the future. – Any changes would require some development work, so they wouldn’t be possible in the short-term. So, in the interim, Derek is going to try to put together a video of TheBAT in action, with him using it in RotoGrinders’ lineup builder, while putting in actual lineups on FanDuel or DraftKings, for those that wanted to see a sample of THE BAT in action.

    Thanks, and happy MLB Season!

    As a salesperson I appreciate three things: scotch, women, and a fine sell job.

    You sir just did a fine sell job.

    Sold.

    Now I don’t have excuses for MLB this year.

  • Digglesauce

    @DerekCarty said...

    Along with minor league data is Asian player data. With a record number of Asian imports this winter, DFS players will quickly realize they need to know their Byung Ho Parks (potential cleanup hitter for Minnesota) from their Kenta Maedas (Dodgers number-two starter). While other systems wait for these guys to accrue MLB stats or make a conservative initial guess, THE BAT is already taking into account their body of work Japan and Korea and translating it to the context of Major League Baseball.

    They think of everything don’t they

  • RotoHobo

    For what ever it’s worth, I wouldn’t hesitate to buy it. I have used it for two years now and it has immensely improved my line ups. It also taught me a lot in terms of proper SP selection.

    It truly is a tool worth buying and is now the only projection system I use (I scrapped my own and baseball monster last year) and don’t plan on using any others this season.

    I am sure Derek or any of the other RG guys can answer your questions but if you have any for me fee free to ask as well.

    Best of luck this season guys and gals!

  • ramagosr

    I had the same thoughts. Need a reasonable entry point for price or the access loses value quickly. Looking forward to saving myself some time each day!

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