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  • DerekCarty

    ESPN, RotoGrinders - Creator of The BAT, MLB Scout School Grad, LABR Champ

    I couldn’t be happier to announce that my DFS MLB projection system, THE BAT, is launching today here at RotoGrinders! If you’ve used THE BAT over the past couple years, there’s probably not much more that I need to tell you; you know how much it can help your DFS game. If you haven’t heard of it yet, I’d like to think you’ll be happy you have now.

    What is THE BAT?

    I’ve developed THE BAT over the past six years and close to ten thousand hours, using skills and methods I’ve developed from my time in the sabermetric community working with some of the best baseball minds in the world, many of whom are now making decisions for Major League clubs. Skills and methods that help set THE BAT apart from your run-of-the-mill Vegas or wOBA model. Vegas and wOBA are shortcuts, plain and simple, and any model that relies on them will give you results and lineups that are shortcuts and, therefore, suboptimal. THE BAT goes well beyond that, incorporating everything wOBA or Vegas can tell you but in a more complex way and with plenty of layers and features on top. And it works with RotoGrinders’ Lineup Builder, helping you build your ideal lineups for both cash games and GPPs.

    Purchase THE BAT Here

    What Goes Into THE BAT?

    While I was developing my system, the code name I used for it was BATMAN, named after a certain caped crusader who 1) Is awesome, like I intended my system to be, and 2) Uses all sorts of gadgets to get the job done, which is the perfect analogy for my system. As far as I can tell, THE BAT takes into account more factors and has more features than any other system out there. You can get more details here, but to list a few, every single day THE BAT considers:

    • Opposing Hitter/Pitcher
    • Ballpark
    • Weather
    • Umpire
    • Catcher Throwing, Intimidation, and Framing
    • Bullpen
    • League
    • Home Field Advantage
    • Platoon Splits (Hitter/Pitcher/Park/Umpire/Catcher)
    • Role
    • Lineup Position
    • Quality of Surrounding Lineup
    • And more, explained further in THE BAT FAQ

    And THE BAT doesn’t just take what a player has done at face value. There’s a big difference between past performance and expected performance, and that’s why each one of these factors has its own underlying projection system so that THE BAT can have the best estimate of how well everyone and everything should perform going forward.

    What’s New for 2016?

    For those who’ve used THE BAT before, I hope you’ll be as excited as I am for some of the features that are new for 2016. While plenty of smaller upgrades have been made, the two biggest ones are the inclusion of weather data (temperature, wind, humidity, and several others that impact on-field performance) and minor league data.

    So when this year’s version of Carlos Correa gets called up, THE BAT will already have an exact projection for how good he is based on his entire professional career. Along with minor league data is Asian player data. With a record number of Asian imports this winter, DFS players will quickly realize they need to know their Byung Ho Parks (potential cleanup hitter for Minnesota) from their Kenta Maedas (Dodgers number-two starter). While other systems wait for these guys to accrue MLB stats or make a conservative initial guess, THE BAT is already taking into account their body of work Japan and Korea and translating it to the context of Major League Baseball.

    Wrigley Wind: No More Guesswork

    One of the most exciting parts of my new weather formulas is eliminating the guesswork on days when there is wind blowing in Wrigley. We all know wind can make a difference, especially in Wrigley, but how much of a difference? Instead of guessing how many guys to try and squeeze into your lineup, THE BAT will weigh the exact importance of the wind in conjunction with every other factor for the game and help you make the best decision possible.

    Why RotoGrinders?

    I debated taking THE BAT off the market this year to just use for my own play, but when it came down to it, I just love the DFS community. I love helping and teaching. That was why I started doing this in the first place, and that was one of the driving factors behind my decision to join RotoGrinders. This site and these forums are a community, and I’m looking forward to being a part of it and helping you all at DFS through my articles, expert chats, radio spots, GrindersLive appearances, and by making my projection system available.

    How Do I Buy THE BAT?

    Simply head over to this page and follow the instructions, to purchase THE BAT! – If you have any questions, please post them here, or feel free to email TheBAT@RotoGrinders.com at anytime. I’m happy to answer any questions you have about myself, THE BAT, or DFS in general.

    I wish you the best of luck this season! Just four days until Opening Day!

    THE BAT Projection System Tutorial Video

    Updates/Notes/FAQ (Last updated April 5th)

    - Feedback has been received on monthly subscriptions & trials. RG & I are talking over solutions, but in the mean time keep in mind that refunds are possible if you are unsatisfied. Please remember that this is a new product offering to RotoGrinders, and the Tech Team can’t immediately add a monthly or trial at the moment. We’ll continue to discuss solutions long-term, but the refund options is available for those interested in demoing THE BAT.

    - IMPORTANT NOTE: – Please keep all posts on-topic with questions related to THE BAT. Any posts about the industry as a whole, or not on-topic, will be removed. Thanks, The RG Mod Team

  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    Hard to buy something without seeing it first. Even just a 1 day free trial this sunday would go a long way. Give us a free taste and get us hooked!

  • hershey122

    @chess2899 said...

    Sounds like a reasonable price for a serious player. I play $25 and above. I am getting it. I don’t have time to do complete in-depth analysis on a daily basis and if it can speed up my analysis, it is worth every penny. I suggest the rest of you don’t buy it so I can make more money while you guys are moaning about what might have been. Thumbs up! See you at the Baseball World Championships!

    I’m with this guy. I subscribed to RG projections in 2014 (and have seen some others), stumbled onto Derek’s work when I realized he already did what I was trying to do x1000, loved it last year (especially that day Mike Fiers threw that no-hitter) and am now following him back to RG without hesitation. Had the same concerns about wanting a trial for such a commitment, but took the plunge and was happy that I did. Will do so again.

  • Nobakov

    If you’re stuck on $150 for full year- I don’t get it. You’re drastically self-limiting your market. Why not offer monthly subscriptions (or even weekly). Who in their right mind is going to pay $150 for this when it comes June, July, August? Or someone who doesn’t want a full year commitment but who is willing to try it for a month?

    The main thing is as the season moves along, you’re going to get less and less people buying this (the season long $150) because each day that passes it loses value. If you offer 30 day, that never decreases value until there are less than 30 days left in the season.

    If you only care about gettting people in on it before the season starts or the first month, good luck!

  • Ross
    @Nobakov said...

    If you’re stuck on $150 for full year- I don’t get it. You’re drastically self-limiting your market. Why not offer monthly subscriptions (or even weekly). Who in their right mind is going to pay $150 for this when it comes June, July, August? Or someone who doesn’t want a full year commitment but who is willing to try it for a month?

    As Cameron mention here other price points and plans will be discussed.

  • careymahoney

    • 2014 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    @lirams said...

    Beside using this tool last year on FI, did you subscribe to other offerings? Daily roto, fantasyalarm… Sometimes having too much data can be overwhelming, thus want to understand if this is a compliment or replacement.

    You’re absolutely right on data overload. I was in that spot to start when I first purchased THE BAT and quickly realized I needed to commit to one platform. For me it’s a replacement rather than a complement to other projections.

  • flip4flop

    I would sign up in a heartbeat. Except I am in Iraq and cant play on DK or FD until I return back to the US the first week of June. I have a hard time justifying it come $150 June when I get back. I wish it would be a monthly cost and you would have me sold for the second half of the season. Hope it becomes an option.

    Also hard to tell unless I missed it somewhere. Will THEBAT show fantasy point expectation for all sites individually like Aces and Feud?

  • lirams

    DB pod cast provided good insight. Video would be nice to see how comprehensive the tool is and its functionality for the ‘average’ player.

  • MinorThreat

    After glancing through the comments, I think offering a month subscription would be a great idea as an introduction to THE BAT, to build value in Derek’s product for those who aren’t familiar with it.

    For myself, there was no hesitation in paying $149 and it’s a resource that I will refer to everyday during the season. I really like that it factors in umpires and catchers. Looking at, and sorting through data is something I love to do and I feel as if this is the most comprehensive system without going overboard. RotoGrinders could possibly be a one-stop-shop for MLB DFS needs with the addition of THE BAT in conjunction with all other content that’s provided here.

    If you haven’t listened to today’s podcast, you really should! Especially the part about who Derek drafted as his pitching staff for his TOUT Wars team. Really interesting stuff!!

  • yoteach

    • Blogger of the Month

    I personally love the $150 price point, and I am a small micro-stakes grinder ($10-20 daily). That price “sold” me on its value and after reading a number of reviews and the description of it being a one-stop shop to save me time with research, I’m going full bore on the BAT train this MLB season. Hope there’s room in the sidecar for a Robin goocher like me!

  • sgaffney

    I agree with the prevailing sentiment here, it seems like a no brainer to add a monthly option. I would be really interested to try it out, baseball is easily my weakest sport and this does seem like an awesome product.

    Has anyone used this and also fantasy bootcamp’s projections? I used them last year and I was a little under whelmed, cancelled it a few months back. Point being that high tech complicated projections always seem fantastic before the losing begins, not so much if you’re not happy with your results. Interested to hear if anyone has used both?

  • Warriv

    Purchased and looks good so far! I’m still trying to familiarize myself with, is there an option to filter hitters by position?

  • Cameron

    RG Co-Founder

    • 2014 FanDuel NFL Survivor Champion

    • 2016 RG Season Long Champion: NFL

    @Warriv said...

    Purchased and looks good so far! I’m still trying to familiarize myself with, is there an option to filter hitters by position?

    That will be available by opening day opening day, or close to that date. Sorry for the delay.

    If you have any other suggestions to improve the layout, just post them here!

  • Warriv

    @Cameron said...

    That will be available by opening day. Sorry for the delay.

    If you have any other suggestions to improve the layout, just post them here!

    That’s great! Thank you!

  • KevKev198622

    I seriously wonder If Im the only DFS player who doesnt use projections and solvers etc

  • Jfud81

    @abbey649 said...

    Trust me it works for $150 investment? No thanks. Need to offer a trial.

    $150 is definitely on the high side for a model that we don’t know really works. The creator of it doesn’t even have any DFS screen names listed so who knows if it translates to daily.

    If one of the sharks in the top-10 of the leaderboard wanted offer up their personal tools, it’d be easier to justify.

  • DntSwtDaTcnq

    The whole ‘free [or paid] trial won’t work because VARIANCE’ is silly. People want to give it a trial run—not to see what their ROI/results will look like during said trial—but to see if it’s something that they can incorporate into their process and benefit from.

    I think we’d all agree that $150 for a whole season is a fair price, but I’m not going to lock myself into a season long commitment without, at the very least, trying it out AT COST for a week or month.

  • DntSwtDaTcnq

    THE BAT has been called “the most advanced DFS MLB projections system in the market”

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    Source?

  • KillaChap

    For the record, I am pretty sure I will purchase it but a trial is one of those things that would probably push me over the edge on clicking the purchase button. I wonder how many other people on here feel the same?

  • fmarriott22

    Although I am interested, I am also hesitant because I am in a state which may ban DFS. If that happens, will those impacted be offer some form of rebate? From a marketing POV, I would think a monthly fee would be a no brainer. Why limit your market? I don’t get that.

  • table41a

    I always wonder why people selling projections would sell them if they were actually as good as advertised. Wouldn’t Derek Carty make an incredible amount of money keeping them to himself and being a high stakes player relative to selling them to fish on Rotogrinders for $150 a pop?

  • edro990

    @DntSwtDaTcnq said...

    The whole ‘free [or paid] trial won’t work because VARIANCE’ is silly. People want to give it a trial run—not to see what their ROI/results will look like during said trial—but to see if it’s something that they can incorporate into their process and benefit from.

    I think we’d all agree that $150 for a whole season is a fair price, but I’m not going to lock myself into a season long commitment without, at the very least, trying it out AT COST for a week or month.

    I’d be willing to pay $150 if I could be sure it worked with my process. Perhaps a one time, first week trial for $10 and if you like it apply that to the full purchase price. I’m pretty sure I will buy it, but need some sort of test drive first.

  • baldi41

    A video tutorial of the bat in action would help me decide

  • Heterodox

    @DerekCarty said...

    I debated taking THE BAT off the market this year to just use for my own play, but when it came down to it, I just love the DFS community

    bunch of ingrates in this thread want “trial periods” when they’re lucky to get anything for a measly $150! He put skills and methods into this, guys. Skills and Methods!

    In all seriousness, I don’t doubt that it’s a fantastic product, but to me buying someone else’s projection system kind of defeats the purpose of playing. I mean, I can take someone else’s projections, run them through someone else’s optimizer, auto import, and never have to actually conceptualize a problem, make a decision, or commit anything beyond money. Never mind expecting people to shell out $150 without being able to even sniff it’s backside.

  • pep4464

    This seems like a great product….I would love to hear from a RG staffer on if there is an export feature.

  • KillaChap

    @table41a said...

    I always wonder why people selling projections would sell them if they were actually as good as advertised. Wouldn’t Derek Carty make an incredible amount of money keeping them to himself and being a high stakes player relative to selling them to fish on Rotogrinders for $150 a pop?

    The more people win, the more they play. The more they play, the more they put back into the system. The more money that goes back into the system, the more money there is for everyone to win. The “system” needs everyone to win every so often.

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