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  • whodat2

    When: June 11-14

    Where: Fort Worth, Texas

    Course: Colonial CC | A par 70 playing at 7204 yards.

    Last Year’s Winner: Kevin Na at -13

    Last Year’s Cut: +2

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  • theIrrigator

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    @Sleazygreazy said...

    Anyone else landing on a lot of Doc Redman on FD? Stone minimum

    Shhhhhhhhhhhit no

    Lol. But I also have no idea what I’m doing. I know I removed him from my pool earlier on my first sweep but I’ll reconsider him

  • Sleazygreazy

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    I don’t have the answer to “taking it down” but as far as ownership is concerned, I think a great example this week would be Spieth and Koepka. Two volatile players who you would not be surprised if they finished top 3 or missed the cut. I don’t know the ownership numbers on them but I’d imagine they’ll be fairly popular. Soooo, knowing or having a good idea of their ownership, you determine whether or not you want to be ahead of the field, under the field, or fade. Making the right decisions there ostensibly gives you an advantage on the field.

    Obviously a lot of factors will go in to how you attack ownership. Are you doing one lineup? Lots of entrants or smaller field? Do you need to at least cash to pay the gas bill? If you win or lose, are you’re still going on that two week trip to Italy and returning to your mansion, so you can take more chances?

    Clear as mud?

  • Sleazygreazy

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    @theIrrigator said...

    Shhhhhhhhhhhit no

    Lol. But I also have no idea what I’m doing. I know I removed him from my pool earlier on my first sweep but I’ll reconsider him

    LOL, I’ve finally convinced myself it’s hard to envision him in the winning lineup, but making the cut and providing substantial salary relief seems moderately attainable?

    I’ve downgraded to about 30% right now which is still bonkers but I’m all about taking stands in these lottery gpps especially considering the size and quality of the field.

  • theIrrigator

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    @Sleazygreazy said...

    LOL, I’ve finally convinced myself it’s hard to envision him in the winning lineup, but making the cut and providing substantial salary relief seems moderately attainable?

    I’ve downgraded to about 30% right now which is still bonkers but I’m all about taking stands in these lottery gpps especially considering the size and quality of the field.

    I just tried building a lineup on FD and it seems If you plug him in it enables you to go 4 10ishk guys and a 9k guy. I’m gonna put him back in player pool. How many guys in the top 10 are usually in the winning lineup? I know i need 6/6. Is Denny McCarthy any good? I noticed him also when I went to plug in Doc

  • lexmarke238

    @blue said...

    Question on ownership in the big GPP’s. I always hear people say you need low owned guys to have a shot at winning. But, don’t you really have to be perfect to win a big GPP? If so, why does ownership matter? You either pick the perfect lineup or you don’t…what does ownership have to do with it?

    Edit: Just noticed that Feilxxberg said this in a much easier to understand way…

    You don’t NEED low owned guys to have a shot at winning. It helps. One of my biggest wins happened because the guy that won the tournament was less than 2% owned. That meant that realistically, I was up against 2% of 100K entries for the top spot (only 2000) entries. Reduce that number further because 90-95% of those 2000 entries weren’t 6/6 teams. Maybe just a couple of hundred entries had a shot. If you go chalky at all 6 spots, you’re in a much bigger group. Several thousand entries have a shot at winning, and of those several thousand, SOMEBODY probably had the random guy at 2% ownership that outpointed your 22% owned guy.

  • monarch

    Bubba is two percent and 300 less than 15 percent Harris English. Just saying lol. Get you to that 49700 or less with one pivot in the milly with likely a unique lineup

  • Sleazygreazy

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    @theIrrigator said...

    I just tried building a lineup on FD and it seems If you plug him in it enables you to go 4 10ishk guys and a 9k guy. I’m gonna put him back in player pool. How many guys in the top 10 are usually in the winning lineup? I know i need 6/6. Is Denny McCarthy any good? I noticed him also when I went to plug in Doc

    Im out on Denny, but my low hanging fruit on FD right now: Doc, Clark, ZJ and mucho Lanto.

  • timusbr

    I like that perfect LU question. It is a goal to get the perfect LU. Ownership only matters if you split the top prize or get a solo win.

    Less than perfect LU’s win most of DFS contests. Lets just say ownership is a consideration because you are not going to win a gpp everyday and you are trying to maximize you betting value.

  • ilayup

    @blue said...

    Question on ownership in the big GPP’s. I always hear people say you need low owned guys to have a shot at winning. But, don’t you really have to be perfect to win a big GPP? If so, why does ownership matter? You either pick the perfect lineup or you don’t…what does ownership have to do with it?

    Here’s a perspective that ownership is pointless in golf contests. https://tournumbers.com/does-ownership-matter-part-2/

  • miggs6876

    @noddy said...

    Thanks. Then what cash games should I play? Or shouldn’t I play any of them?

    Play single entry GPP.

  • miggs6876

    @noddy said...

    I don’t understand your question

    Just wondering why you don’t want to play guys with the same lineup. You want variety?

  • noddy

    @miggs6876 said...

    Just wondering why you don’t want to play guys with the same lineup. You want variety?

    Yes I would like some variety. My lineup vs several different ones instead of against many players with the same lineup.

  • miggs6876

    @Sleazygreazy said...

    I don’t have the answer to “taking it down” but as far as ownership is concerned, I think a great example this week would be Spieth and Koepka. Two volatile players who you would not be surprised if they finished top 3 or missed the cut. I don’t know the ownership numbers on them but I’d imagine they’ll be fairly popular. Soooo, knowing or having a good idea of their ownership, you determine whether or not you want to be ahead of the field, under the field, or fade. Making the right decisions there ostensibly gives you an advantage on the field.

    Obviously a lot of factors will go in to how you attack ownership. Are you doing one lineup? Lots of entrants or smaller field? Do you need to at least cash to pay the gas bill? If you win or lose, are you’re still going on that two week trip to Italy and returning to your mansion, so you can take more chances?

    Clear as mud?

    Ownership has to be considered in factoring in your line ups. The real question is how much weight do you give it. Sometimes you eat the chalk. Last weeks MMA was a great example. Nunez was the chalk to eat at huge ownership.

  • lfn1992

    I “took down” one contest with over 47k participants and my recollection is that it wasn’t the “perfect” LU. It was bloody close but I remember doing the math and thinking I could have had 10-20 more points (or so) in there. So no, you don’t need the “perfect” LU to win a GPP.

    I remember it like it was yesterday – I needed Tommy Fleetwood to birdie the 18th to clinch the top prize, and he nailed it. I remember that birdie putt more than I do who won the tournament.

    Something worth remembering is every contest is distinct. If, say 30% has Rory, and he wins, you’ll likely need him on your team if you want to “take it down”. However if Mac Hughes at 1% ownership is the winner, then everything is different. You don’t need Mac Hughes to win a GPP – though it will help your cause!

  • lfn1992

    I juuuuuust noticed RG’s LU builder is now behind a pay firewall. So I may now be back to making LUs by hand, which SUX.

  • Felixxberg

    • 2019 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    • 2019 DraftKings FHWC Finalist

    @lfn1992: I scrolled through my GPP wins screenshots and it has been a while since I have won one, but I remember when I won a FGWC ticket. It was the long eagle by Wolff right after DeChambeau had eagled too. I had Wolff but not DeChambeau. That eagle putt propulsed me to 1st place. Wolff was 3%.

    My first big win ($10K) was nuts. I was in a bar with a lot of friends watching UFC, so I wasn’t really paying attention to NHL. I eventually won by a hair. I bought $500 of beer for everyone!

    It feels good to remember those, but I can’t wait for the next one!

    Predicting ownership is hard. Pretty much all guys below $7K will be 5% or less, but that’s all we know.

  • JTAx33

    Anybody getting any MKF action? I see that now they no longer cancel full-tournament bets for missed cuts. That being said, the lines for Rory, Webb, and JT still seem fairly easy as long as they make it to the weekend. Rahm seems to be the one that’s concerning in that category.

  • Brandon6385

    Single Entry— Ancer/Conners or Kisner/Cauley or am I way off?

  • Getty33

    Average fantasy points scored per round at Colonial is 13.5 last 3 years. Most of the MKF More or Less props are showing an over/under average of 23. Just saying.

  • mitchsnyderdfw

    @lfn1992 said...

    I “took down” one contest with over 47k participants and my recollection is that it wasn’t the “perfect” LU. It was bloody close but I remember doing the math and thinking I could have had 10-20 more points (or so) in there. So no, you don’t need the “perfect” LU to win a GPP.

    I remember it like it was yesterday – I needed Tommy Fleetwood to birdie the 18th to clinch the top prize, and he nailed it. I remember that birdie putt more than I do who won the tournament.

    Something worth remembering is every contest is distinct. If, say 30% has Rory, and he wins, you’ll likely need him on your team if you want to “take it down”. However if Mac Hughes at 1% ownership is the winner, then everything is different. You don’t need Mac Hughes to win a GPP – though it will help your cause!

    Did you have the guy who won the tournament on your roster?

    I too have “taken down” a GPP with 58K+ entries, but in my case there was a playoff with KSDT and Chucky III. I had both on my roster, while everyone behind me had one or the other.

    I don’t remember what the ownership percentages were, but Chucky III was much higher owned than KSDT.

  • mitchsnyderdfw

    @Brandon6385 said...

    Single Entry— Ancer/Conners or Kisner/Cauley or am I way off?

    Is Kisner/Connors an option? I am overweight on both.

  • Brandon6385

    @mitchsnyderdfw said...

    Is Kisner/Connors an option? I am overweight on both.

    Hmm.. It could be.. I was just scared having someone who can’t putt with someone who is a good putter lol

  • SleDwreckerZ

    @kps3205s said...

    Golf is back!!!!

    I hope everyone is well

    #BeattheForum is back also and SleDwreckerZ is up for this week based on the modified schedule I posted on that forum. I sent him a message just now and will keep everyone posted.

    Sorry – Just seeing this…

    Just posted some H2Hs in the lobby.
    Good luck, although you probably don’t need it

  • kbarnhill7523

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    • 2018 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

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      2017 FanDuel WFBBC Finalist

    Let’s get this started

    Winner: Bryson
    Fade: Rahm
    Sleeper: Doc Redman

  • whodat2

    Where has Justin Rose been hanging out for the last 12 weeks?

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