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  • Sol88

    19,841 entries into this contest and every single one of them lost money. Fun game, FanDuel. Maybe rethink this contest or when it gets redunded because this is absolute garbage and a scam.

  • gravitymaze

    I like the beat the score idea but they do it so wrong. 100? Way too low. Have not played NBA fanduel in a while but the cash line is usually like 300 if I remember correctly. So this would be like a 200 NBA cash line. In the end like many state if you don’t like the setup don’t play.

    Other sites have been trying to get users and promise much better structures and I will give them a try. The two biggest ones have it setup were you are forced to keep uploading money. 500 bucks to tenth place and now this. Fanduel do it right and increase the minimum.

  • 2Slik

    • Ranked #23

      RG Tiered Ranking

    So now that’s out of our system, who won the H2H?

  • Yankswin777

    Ya know, I actually thought you were promoting a Fanduel contest!

  • DaBum2012

    • 2018 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    Do you realize how many people you’d have to split that money with if it were like that? All you need to do is do a laqeishaf number and put all the questionable, out, not starting, and injured reserve folks on your roster and everyone is going to be doing the same strategy. We’d have a lot of 500,000th place winners that probably dropped hundreds of dollars on entries and probably half a cent worth of cash distributed to everyone because of the excess ties, lol!

    For all you people out there unfamiliar with laqeishaf, she’s this idiot on FanDuel that plays MLB on FanDuel every night and doesn’t change her roster to save her life, puts all the crappy pitchers and hitters on, and a bunch of NS players on too and always finishes dead last with about 13-15 points EVERY night. I think the highest I seen her score was 20 points.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    Wait wha They’re running this back? Lol
    Stay classy FanDuel.

    Although maybe there will be plus ev this week of everyone stays away because they got burned last week and realized how foolish an extremely low score on these is. About a quarter full at the moment.

  • tazfromoz

    @DaBum2012 said...

    Do you realize how many people you’d have to split that money with if it were like that? All you need to do is do a laqeishaf number and put all the questionable, out, not starting, and injured reserve folks on your roster and everyone is going to be doing the same strategy. We’d have a lot of 500,000th place winners that probably dropped hundreds of dollars on entries and probably half a cent worth of cash distributed to everyone because of the excess ties, lol!

    For all you people out there unfamiliar with laqeishaf, she’s this idiot on FanDuel that plays MLB on FanDuel every night and doesn’t change her roster to save her life, puts all the crappy pitchers and hitters on, and a bunch of NS players on too and always finishes dead last with about 13-15 points EVERY night. I think the highest I seen her score was 20 points.

    I’m going to hazard a guess and say that this is a FD staffer entering a random bad lineup to test functionality or some other reason.

  • moped_jones

    @Sol88 said...

    So let me get this straight.

    You guys think it’s okay for a website to host a contest that you literally cannot make any money in?

    And we were being accused of predatory marketing and shady practices what 2 years ago?

    Cool, cool.

    So let me get this straight………..you weren’t intelligent enough to figure out the risk when playing a “beat the score” game?

    This is on you and you only. The lower the score the more people are going to beat it. Did you not get the concept? I don’t see how that’s FD’s fault that you can’t process what you are reading. Maybe DFS isn’t for you?

  • moped_jones

    @noddy said...

    why won’t you answer the question? why did you enter this contest?

    I’ll answer it for him. He thought it would be easy money. Failing to realize that many other people had the exact same thought b/c he’s not special (or maybe he is?)

    I’ve never played the beat the score games, but if I did I wouldn’t play the lowest scoring one b/c more people would beat the score. This might be the most ridiculous thread I’ve ever seen in these forums. Then you throw in the fact that he got a refund BEFORE he even cried about the contest.

  • Sol88

    Thanks for the free $109, @sochoice. Appreciate you trying to teach me

  • KindGuy

    @Sol88 said...

    Thanks for the free $109, @sochoice. Appreciate you trying to teach me

    Link or screenshot please?

    Nice work, btw.

  • TheFFOracle

    @Lee123 said...

    You have the right to not enter a contest, but you chose to enter and knew the rules when entering, so not sure what there is to complain about

    If Rotogrinders has an award for worst responses to threads, I nominate you. Literally just trolling threads saying “You have the right to not enter a contest”. Thanks Captain Obvious. God forbid we offer feedback to the sites on things they need to change.

  • Sol88

    @elementasrat said...

    Link or screenshot please?

    Nice work, btw.

    Not sure how to link from mobile… Had very similar lineups as you’d expect with the obvious value this week (Coleman, Conner, Landrey, Kittle, AB).

    Matchup was :
    Mahomes, Gurley, Enunwa
    Vs
    Ben, D Cook, Tate

    Obviously Gurley Enunwa is the right choice there.

  • Zieg30

    • 530

      RG Overall Ranking

    • 2018 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    That anyone is defending FD with respect to this contest is ridiculous. I didn’t enter it myself, but there are a lot of casual users out there who wouldn’t have known that it was a very low score to obtain. There are also a lot of more experienced users who wouldn’t have been able to do the math to ascertain up front that it was so low that no one would win.

    The only party involved that unquestionably had the data and knowledge to determine that the score it set could result in a losing tournament even for winners was the company itself, FD. If there is a more than 1% chance a contest can run where first place returns a net LOSS, that contest shouldn’t be run. Otherwise, it’s just feeding rake into FD with zero benefit to the entrants and is frankly a bit of a scam.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    Anyone play it this week? Was it a loser again?
    Because I think not adjusting it after seeing what happened after week 1 is the real offensive issue. We can criticize it to begin with, but I can see the argument that it was a single misjudgment on their part…but then keeping it at 100, even after they’ve seemingly had to refund money because of the faulty structure, is just mind numbingly stupid.

  • TheFFOracle

    @TheRyanFlaherty said...

    Anyone play it this week? Was it a loser again?
    Because I think not adjusting it after seeing what happened after week 1 is the real offensive issue. We can criticize it to begin with, but I can see the argument that it was a single misjudgment on their part…but then keeping it at 100, even after they’ve seemingly had to refund money because of the faulty structure, is just mind numbingly stupid.

    It was a slight loser again. $3 entry turned into $2.78.

    I think my strategy going forward will be to only play in it if my projected lineup is 101-120. This week it was 131.7 so probably should have just stuck to the 110 and 125(?)

  • mciama2000

    I won an impressive .36 cents on the $7.00 beat 110. I like the concept of Beat the Score, but the problem is its extremely poorly run. The scores are too low should be (120-150) and the only contests over 120 are $25/100, which means sharper players that will most likley all beat those scores too. I’m looking now at they haven’t adjusted anything for week 3, so another win for FD. I would like to see something like a 5-10 dollar buy in to beat 150/160, which would be fun to play.

    I pulled in the actual contest data out of curiosity, 2040 (81%) out of 2521 beat the score, which left the remaining 19% to essentially cover the rake before payout.

  • Zieg30

    • 530

      RG Overall Ranking

    • 2018 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    @mciama2000 said...

    I won an impressive .36 cents on the $7.00 beat 110. I like the concept of Beat the Score, but the problem is its extremely poorly run. The scores are too low should be (120-150) and the only contests over 120 are $25/100, which means sharper players that will most likley all beat those scores too. I’m looking now at they haven’t adjusted anything for week 3, so another win for FD. I would like to see something like a 5-10 dollar buy in to beat 150/160, which would be fun to play.

    I pulled in the actual contest data out of curiosity, 2040 (81%) out of 2521 beat the score, which left the remaining 19% to essentially cover the rake before payout.

    FD should be topping up the winners and refunding the losers for any contest where no one actually makes a net profit.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    Thank you guys for the updates on these.

    Not only are those absurdly low scores to set in a contest like this (unless they want to add an entry fee back guarantee for a win) but they also didn’t seem to take into account that scores could be inflated this year due to the format change and switching the Kicker to a Flex. It’s tough to see what the logic was if it wasn’t to entice users with a low score and little regard to how that would play out on the backend.

    edit lol holy s$&! I didn’t realize there was a $1 with a beat the score of 80 one of those. Who loses that, people that forget to set lineups? That’s just insane.
    Anyways, as to not just criticize – fwiw looking at some scoring this past week, i’d think 125-130 range would be a score that is reasonable while still being less than a GPP cash line.

  • gravitymaze

    “edit lol holy s$&! I didn’t realize there was a $1 with a beat the score of 80 one of those”

    80? That cannot be real.

  • FDRep

    • FanDuel Representative

    @TheRyanFlaherty said...

    Thank you guys for the updates on these.

    Not only are those absurdly low scores to set in a contest like this (unless they want to add an entry fee back guarantee for a win) but they also didn’t seem to take into account that scores could be inflated this year due to the format change and switching the Kicker to a Flex. It’s tough to see what the logic was if it wasn’t to entice users with a low score and little regard to how that would play out on the backend.

    edit lol holy s$&! I didn’t realize there was a $1 with a beat the score of 80 one of those. Who loses that, people that forget to set lineups? That’s just insane.
    Anyways, as to not just criticize – fwiw looking at some scoring this past week, i’d think 125-130 range would be a score that is reasonable while still being less than a GPP cash line.

    Hi guys, just wanted to chime in. I definitely hear where you’re all coming from.

    I’d like you to also recognize that most of you on here are much more on the advanced side of the spectrum; therefore, it may be difficult for you to put yourself in the position of a new or casual user. We offer BTS scores at a variety of levels, each designed to appeal to a different category of user – in fact, BTS is used as the first contest that any new user is exposed to, in the context of the registration and onboarding flow.

    I agree that for a population of all experienced players, the bar should be (and frankly, is) around 120-130. For a general population and certainly amongst a population heavy towards new users, the bar is set lower as it’s important for a variety of reasons for those new users to get comfortable and familiar with the platform. To be clear, that’s not me blaming anyone for entering a contest not designed for them, but rather an ask for some recognition that it is difficult to create an experience that is equally enjoyable across different subsets of users.

    - NB

  • gravitymaze

    “but rather an ask for some recognition that it is difficult to create an experience that is equally enjoyable across different subsets of users”

    Most love the idea but how does a non experienced person even know what the cash line means? Like I know with NBA your cash line is 300 only because I have experience. Someone said that 80 was a cash line at one point. So how does an new person knows that that is too low?

    On the flip side you do at least give a person some money and offer .25 games. It seems like you are trying to find a median.

  • 2Slik

    • Ranked #23

      RG Tiered Ranking

    @FDRep said...

    We offer BTS scores at a variety of levels, each designed to appeal to a different category of user – in fact, BTS is used as the first contest that any new user is exposed to, in the context of the registration and onboarding flow.

    If I’m reading it right you don’t intend to change the BTS? I’m guessing not, as you’re moving to the third week in a row at 100, and an 80 (Sheesh!) Do you really think having newly attracted users (or any whatsoever) beating a score yet losing money is a positive experience?

    We are trying to help you guys out because it helps ourselves out, but you keep dropping the ball.

  • madmanjayWV

    The $3 BTS was a net loser again, but FD obviously is giving people the difference so those who broke 100 in the $3BTS got their entry fee back.

    It’s a great gig —- honestly.

    This week’s $3BTS netted FD a rake of just better than $9,500 I think it was and no one WON anything — for a 2nd straight week.

  • tbird05

    @madmanjayWV said...

    The $3 BTS was a net loser again, but FD obviously is giving people the difference so those who broke 100 in the $3BTS got their entry fee back.

    It’s a great gig —- honestly.

    This week’s $3BTS netted FD a rake of just better than $9,500 I think it was and no one WON anything — for a 2nd straight week.

    That’s hilarious. I remember these “hit the target” scores from Draftday back in the day. They did it right. Many times only 1 or 2 people split the entire jackpot. I guess since this is RG we should pat FD on the back.

  • Zieg30

    • 530

      RG Overall Ranking

    • 2018 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    @madmanjayWV said...

    The $3 BTS was a net loser again, but FD obviously is giving people the difference so those who broke 100 in the $3BTS got their entry fee back.

    It’s a great gig —- honestly.

    This week’s $3BTS netted FD a rake of just better than $9,500 I think it was and no one WON anything — for a 2nd straight week.

    If that’s what’s going on, that’s not a great gig, that’s a scam.

    FD needs to be refunding the losers their entry fees back as well. They may be doing so, but I’m awaiting another response from FD support clarifying that. If FD is making money in a contest where no one wins, they need to revise that practice immediately and refund everyone who has participated in the prior two contests.

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