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  • jimmyrad

    The Fanduel syndicate

    So Fanduel limits a low stakes nobody like me to 250 games a day to protect the new players, fine, I’ll play by the rules. Yet it’s somehow okay to sell this lineup to dozens of people, to be used in thousands of games? I don’t get the logic. How can you not protect your customers from a lobby full of the same algorithm generated teams hidden behind multiple screen names? I probably wouldn’t have noticed if it wasn’t so blatant.

    I’ll be more than happy to elaborate on the details, but it should be fairly obvious who and what I’m talking about to anyone paying attention. First I’d like to hear the thoughts of the more experienced members here, and maybe even FD.

  • CruzinToVictory

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    You guys beat me to it, but the lineups can’t be that good if they’re willing to sell them lol

  • realdeals

    I’m not going to pretend I know the law on this issue, but RG has DFS logos as well. I’m sure multiple other sites have the logos as well.

    Even if the DFS sites got them to remove the logos, it wouldn’t prevent them for what hey are doing…

  • realdeals

    @CruzinToVictory said…

    You guys beat me to it, but the lineups can’t be that good if they’re willing to sell them lol

    I wouldn’t sell my Lu for $50 a day it was hitting at $67%. If they hit 67% per day on all the DFS sites, it’s not worth it to sell it. Now since I don’t win 67% I’ll gladly sell my lu. Hah

    You don’t see the best cappers selling their picks, just scammers.

  • windchimesrrude

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    In the past I know DraftStreet (and possibly other sites) have asked affiliates to not post actual lineups. I see they do have a DS signup link.

  • metsfan828

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    @jimmyrad said…

    The Fanduel syndicate

    So Fanduel limits a low stakes nobody like me to 250 games a day to protect the new players, fine, I’ll play by the rules. Yet it’s somehow okay to sell this lineup to dozens of people, to be used in thousands of games? I don’t get the logic. How can you not protect your customers from a lobby full of the same algorithm generated teams hidden behind multiple screen names? I probably wouldn’t have noticed if it wasn’t so blatant.

    I’ll be more than happy to elaborate on the details, but it should be fairly obvious who and what I’m talking about to anyone paying attention. First I’d like to hear the thoughts of the more experienced members here, and maybe even FD.

    Thanks for the info Jimmy. I’ll talk to our team and get a full response when we go over all the facts on Monday.

  • jimmyrad

    @metsfan828 said…

    Thanks for the info Jimmy. I’ll talk to our team and get a full response when we go over all the facts on Monday.

    Thank you.

    3 more from today’s early only slate:

    liles76
    joecarterfan
    2×2lcallingcq

    I find it odd just how many of these guys have 2012 signup dates, strange coincidence.

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    If the “algorithm” was any good, the “syndicate” would never sell those lineups. Anyone selling lineups is a scam. If they were that good, they would simply play them and make far more money doing that then getting 5 bucks a pop.

  • YoungFischer

    Several people have said that it’s inconceivable a winning player would share/sell lineups on ebay. Yet RG writers and other well known players basically do this every day.

  • futureoffantasy

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    @3rdAndSchlong said…

    If the “algorithm” was any good, the “syndicate” would never sell those lineups. Anyone selling lineups is a scam. If they were that good, they would simply play them and make far more money doing that then getting 5 bucks a pop.

    This.

    Lineup selling can never become a huge issue for this reason. If the lineups were so good, the seller would keep them for themselves. If they ever performed well consistently, the people who bought them would tell their friends they have a way to make easy money until more people bought the lineups. Then the contests would get diluted with the same lineups, making them obsolete, and turning them into losing players. Eventually they’d stop buying the plays.

    Just ride out the algorithm hot streak.

    Why is 2012 as a signup date alarming?

  • bmlenox

    @jimmyrad said…

    Thank you.

    3 more from today’s early only slate:

    liles76
    joecarterfan
    2×2lcallingcq

    I find it odd just how many of these guys have 2012 signup dates, strange coincidence.

    The alarming thing about all of the names listed here and in your other post is at any point of the day over half of the head to head $1 games posted are one of these individuals. It’s disheartening knowing I’m putting work while others are ruining the integrity of the games by throwing in premades.

  • SteinerLJ15

    I agree that a good player should be able to beat these lineups most of the time. It looks like most of their play is low dollar head to head match ups. Their lineups should be able to beat a new player who is first joining without knowing where to check lineups weather and everything that rotogrinders does a wonderful job of helping us do. Imagine if it was your first week you put in $30 in $1 head to heads against different opponents and small 50/50’s. What if 20 of the 30 had the same lineup would you play again or would that turn you off right away? If the sites can find a way to police the sale of lineups that would be for the best. They can find out who buys lineups by who plays the same lineups multiple times and send them warnings and issue account suspensions. Lineup sharing is not the same thing. If a top player shares a lineup with a friend or family member I do not see an issue with this. If it is more than 3 people playing the same lineup consistently sites should look into it. If Fanduel does not come up with a way to resolve the issue maybe rotogrinders would produce a list of known users who buy the list. Imagine if their entire low dollar buy ins were bought by top grinders 25 at a time. I would imagine they would stop soon.
  • sonicattack

    Hmm velocity is on that list. That’s a bit surprising though I know nothing personally about him/her. But that username seems to consistently do well with lineups that aren’t rocket science to figure out and maybe have one/two players off what would otherwise be fairly chalk.

    I wonder if ganondorf does anything like this, I’m sure you’re all familiar with that username by now.

  • kaetorade

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    @YoungFischer said…

    Several people have said that it’s inconceivable a winning player would share/sell lineups on ebay. Yet RG writers and other well known players basically do this every day.

    It’s been mentioned in the past, but that seems to be the future of dfs. Syndicate driven lineups will continue to grow and grow. Combine that with affiliates who need to keep their players competitive and you have an industry that will be ‘just’ a hobby for the majority.

  • jimmyrad

    @futureoffantasy said…

    This.

    Lineup selling can never become a huge issue for this reason. If the lineups were so good, the seller would keep them for themselves. If they ever performed well consistently, the people who bought them would tell their friends they have a way to make easy money until more people bought the lineups. Then the contests would get diluted with the same lineups, making them obsolete, and turning them into losing players. Eventually they’d stop buying the plays.

    Just ride out the algorithm hot streak.

    Why is 2012 as a signup date alarming?

    Have you heard of hedge funds? Steve Cohen can beat Wall Street for a nice chunk, yet he still sells his picks. Some of you may remember the mention of a DFS hedge fund, from just last week. Well, this is it in it’s infancy.

    I don’t need to ride it out, I’m running so hot I can’t even believe it, totally unsustainable. That’s not the point.

    Do you think if you had a hot dog stand an oddly large percentage of your customers would all be born in 1983? I don’t. There might be nothing to the 2012 reg dates, or maybe there is something to it. I’ll let the PTB figure that one out.

  • futureoffantasy

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    @jimmyrad said…

    Have you heard of hedge funds? Steve Cohen can beat Wall Street for a nice chunk, yet he still sells his picks. Some of you may remember the mention of a DFS hedge fund, from just last week. Well, this is it in it’s infancy.

    I don’t need to ride it out, I’m running so hot I can’t even believe it, totally unsustainable. That’s not the point.

    Do you think if you had a hot dog stand an oddly large percentage of your customers would all be born in 1983? I don’t. There might be nothing to the 2012 reg dates, or maybe there is something to it. I’ll let the PTB figure that one out.

    Good point on hedge funds. I was just thinking of sports betting touts in my head. Most of them are a joke, who depend on hot streaks and misleading statistics to keep money flowing in to offset their cold streaks. I still think it’s unlikely that lineup sharing becomes a major issue.

    Congrats on the hot streak. Get that money.

    If hot dogs were invented in 1980 or 1981 and started marketing heavily in 1983, I wouldn’t think it was that weird if a sampling of guys tried their first dog in 1983. If the leader of this “syndicate” tried a hot dog in 1983 and decided to tell all his friends/blog about how good FanDuel’s hot dogs are, it would make sense that they signed up in 1983. Now he sells all his friends the finest condiments to aide in their hot dog addiction.

  • headChopper

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    @kaetorade said…

    you have an industry that will be ‘just’ a hobby for the majority.

    It already is and always will be. In order for this industry to grow to the levels everyone projects there has to be 90% (roughly) that does this as a hobby.
    Luckily for this industry and those of us who play it with a passion because we love the entertainment aspect of it, algorithms and super computers will never be the “be all end all” of fantasy sports because there is too much of a human element in most sporting events for a computer to take into account.
    Basketball is the closest it will ever get, but that’s about it.

  • RTLONG

    Lol. Wow. I learn something new on here everyday. I have also played these same players and they had the same exact lineups.

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @headChopper said…

    It already is and always will be. In order for this industry to grow to the levels everyone projects there has to be 90% (roughly) that does this as a hobby.

    Perception and reality. The idea that DFS is simply a hobby will stunt the dfs growth. We need to sell the dream.

  • csuram88

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    @lovesbases said…

    wow, free shipping. Tempting.

    LOL all the value on the free shipping. Also funny how threads like this are commonplace on Rotogrinders where people are coming for picks.

  • realdeals

    @YoungFischer said…

    Several people have said that it’s inconceivable a winning player would share/sell lineups on ebay. Yet RG writers and other well known players basically do this every day.

    Basically is the operative word. How many RG’ers have even close to the same lineup even after reading the same RG articles and incentives?
    NBA probably a lot more than baseball. I don’t think it’s even close in baseball…

  • realdeals

    @jimmyrad said…

    Have you heard of hedge funds? Steve Cohen can beat Wall Street for a nice chunk, yet he still sells his picks. Some of you may remember the mention of a DFS hedge fund, from just last week. Well, this is it in it’s infancy.

    I don’t need to ride it out, I’m running so hot I can’t even believe it, totally unsustainable. That’s not the point.

    Do you think if you had a hot dog stand an oddly large percentage of your customers would all be born in 1983? I don’t. There might be nothing to the 2012 reg dates, or maybe there is something to it. I’ll let the PTB figure that one out.

    I could be wrong, but I don’t these guys playing the big $ h2hs or double ups. Majority of their action seems to be small $ h2hs. If they were hitting 67%, why aren’t they in the $535/$270 double ups and big $ h2hs? And just think how much $ they would be winning if hitting at 67%, it pales in comparison of what they would make selling their lu.
    It just doesn’t make sense to sell their Lu if hitting at that clip.

  • h4v0c

    I’ve noticed more and more of these picks sites popping up all over the place. People are crazy if they don’t think this is going to become common place. Everyone in this Forum has at one time or another subscribed to a website that gave out DFS advice. It’s a shame this is where the industries cash game play is heading, but it is. Everyone has a “model” or is making one for DFS.

  • bestintheworld

    BITW

    @thefish2010 said…
    As for stopping this kind of thing, Fanduel could easily make eBay pull the listings on copyright and trademark grounds. This guy has screenshots of a copyrighted website, with their trademarked logo prominently displayed, built right into his listing.

    I wouldn’t say “easily”. While the logo is trademarked, there are plenty of listings with logos of well known companies on eBay used in various forms. Now, if someone were to produce Fanduel merchandise or materials without Fanduel’s authorization and sell them on eBay, that’s another story.

  • blackcloud420

    “Hi there Milvel, im ababygirl on fanduel now formerly 000000000h_w0w.”

    So thats where all those 0000 fuckers came from. Then he has a girly sounding user name. Ugh.

  • iam12fear

    Looking at the pictures on that eBay auction, I don’t even think that they are the builders of that spreadsheet:

    http://www.spreadsheet-sports.com/daily-fantasy-baseball-custom-projection-tool/

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