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  • valterlaw

    http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/17374929/otl-investigates-implosion-daily-fantasy-sports-leaders-draftkings-fanduel

    “The implosion of the daily fantasy industry is a bro-classic tale of hubris, recklessness, political naïveté and a kill-or-be-killed culture.”

    Discuss.

    And look who the very first player quoted in the article is:

    “This industry blew up so quickly — no one adequately planned or prepared for it,” says Gabriel Harber, 29, a former high-volume player at DraftKings and FanDuel. “[The executives] didn’t make the substantial investment on self-regulation and the regulatory side that was obviously needed. … Every PR person and lawyer should be fired. How could you let your client engage in this kind of crazy advertising if every legal loophole wasn’t closed? How stupid can you be?”

    One of the least shocking things ever…

  • MrWorldwide

    This article seems to be a year late. Stirring up the same old stupid arguments. I will place on ignore and work on my game!!!
    Bring on the NFL and anybody that doesn’t like DFS, you don’t have to play.

  • sal

    @btwice80 said...

    No, a $200 single entry contest would not fill with 10,000 people.

    During football season, those are realistic numbers.

  • bigloser11

    @MrWorldwide said...

    This article seems to be a year late. Stirring up the same old stupid arguments.

    ESPN is threatened by dfs.

  • bigloser11

    In 2017 Nielsen ratings will attempt to provide technology to measure TV ratings outside of the home( ie sports bars, phones etc.)
    There is plenty of info on the subject online and in the media.The TV audiences are changing in the way TV is viewed and the newer
    technology will attempt to make the ratings more fair( and either make or lose $$ for networks)

  • FFguru71

    I disagree that you can’t have the big prize pools and not multi entry..I’m okay with multi entry..but 150 is ridiculous. Lets lower it to 25 or so. You know why they never will…the big fish like max would go away…why?? because he knows and the other top guys know if they were only firing a single bullet like the majority of people do…they wouldn;t be NEARLY as successful…and they don’t like the fact it would level the playing field…oh the horror, right max and ganonpuke??

  • Avgplayer

    @sethayates said...

    Do you have a YouTube link of whichever commercial Peter Jennings was in that he said DraftKings is easy and that anyone can win? Admittedly, I became immune to the commercials last year but the one I remember Peter Jennings in was the stupid sock puppet commercial.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UozP_5rhIm0

    “Peter Jennings won over $2 Million playing DraftKings. Peter is out living the high life right now…”

    Can you point out the part of that commercial that is untrue?

    1. Did Peter Jennings win over $2M? Yes
    2. I’m missing the part where they said it was easy

    What is up with RG staff attacking Mphst18? If DFS goes down so does RG. Let’s just clean it up so we all can enjoy it. Hey that is why everyone is here. Let’s get this $@&% together!

  • redron2

    @FFguru71 said...

    I disagree that you can’t have the big prize pools and not multi entry..I’m okay with multi entry..but 150 is ridiculous. Lets lower it to 25 or so. You know why they never will…the big fish like max would go away…why?? because he knows and the other top guys know if they were only firing a single bullet like the majority of people do…they wouldn;t be NEARLY as successful…and they don’t like the fact it would level the playing field…oh the horror, right max and ganonpuke??

    sorry to tell you buddy, the same people would still be the most successful

  • sethayates

    @Avgplayer said...

    What is up with RG staff attacking Mphst18? If DFS goes down so does RG. Let’s just clean it up so we all can enjoy it. Hey that is why everyone is here. Let’s get this $@&% together!

    What did I say that attacked Mphst18? I was asking him to clarify his stance that Peter Jennings appeared in a commerical saying that DraftKings is easy and then turned around and filed an affadavit saying he won because of skill. If the first part was true I think we certainly would have seen it mentioned in the various DFS court proceedings.

    I gave an example of a Peter Jennings commerical that conflicts with the facts provided by Mphst18. Like I said, I mostly ignore DFS commericals but i don’t recall Peter Jennings apearing in any DK commercials. He’s done various promotions for DK but the only commercial that I reember mentioning him in was the sock puppet one.

    I guess he’s also pictured holding a giant check in another but so are a lot of people. In fact, by qualifying for a DK live final you agree that DK can use your likeness the same way they used Peter’s.

    Really what I was getting at is why would Mphst18 only attack Peter? What about ehafner? It’s just odd that He seems to only have a vendetta against certain people. He also cites things as facts when they aren’t. I was just trying to get him to clarify where Pete ever said DFS was easy. I don’t recall seeing that, ever.

  • mellofellowsu

    @FFguru71 said...

    I disagree that you can’t have the big prize pools and not multi entry..I’m okay with multi entry..but 150 is ridiculous. Lets lower it to 25 or so. You know why they never will…the big fish like max would go away…why?? because he knows and the other top guys know if they were only firing a single bullet like the majority of people do…they wouldn;t be NEARLY as successful…and they don’t like the fact it would level the playing field…oh the horror, right max and ganonpuke??

    What you’re asking for is unreasonable. It’s guys like saahil, “ganonpuke” and others that enter the max entries so you can fire your one bullet and have a shot to win a big prize. They’re the ones incurring the risk so they should likewise stand the better chance to take it down.

    Go enter the single bullet contests for $2k top prize if you think you can take it down. A single entry contest with a $100k top prize isn’t happening anytime soon, and if it does the very ones you despise would be the only ones that could afford it.

    Maybe I dunno, try buying some literature or listening to some podcasts that the big players make. People like you spend so much time whining about how unfair things are instead of trying to improve as a player.

  • catmando

    i still want to know if 1.3 percent are winning which one of you is it? should assume 98 percent here are losers

  • Avgplayer

    @sethayates said...

    What did I say that attacked Mphst18? I was asking him to clarify his stance that Peter Jennings appeared in a commerical saying that DraftKings is easy and then turned around and filed an affadavit saying he won because of skill. If the first part was true I think we certainly would have seen it mentioned in the various DFS court proceedings.

    I gave an example of a Peter Jennings commerical that conflicts with the facts provided by Mphst18. Like I said, I mostly ignore DFS commericals but i don’t recall Peter Jennings apearing in any DK commercials. He’s done various promotions for DK but the only commercial that I reember mentioning him in was the sock puppet one.

    I guess he’s also pictured holding a giant check in another but so are a lot of people. In fact, by qualifying for a DK live final you agree that DK can use your likeness the same way they used Peter’s.

    Really what I was getting at is why would Mphst18 only attack Peter? What about ehafner? It’s just odd that He seems to only have a vendetta against certain people. He also cites things as facts when they aren’t. I was just trying to get him to clarify where Pete ever said DFS was easy. I don’t recall seeing that, ever.

    My guess is he picked Peter because Peter was quoted in the ESPN piece. Can you answer this for me?Why do you and the rest of RG guys who have attacked him question his motives? He has raise valid points about unfair play and RG personal keep on shouting him down. Why? Why not comment on his valid points? Why not comment on other users valid points about real issues going on about TOS on DFS sites.

    I hope RG understands how it looks when they shout down on people who are bringing up real issues. You see them all day on sticky post pushing products but never comment on real issues and only shout down people who are constantly pushing for a answer to the issues they raise.

  • Lathum

    @bigloser11 said...

    Long read but I agree that espn either doesn’t know or is threatened by dfs.Either way IMO dfs is here to stay probably w/ regulation
    and modifications. jm

    People said the same thing about online poker…

  • Mphst18

    @sethayates said...

    What did I say that attacked Mphst18? I was asking him to clarify his stance that Peter Jennings appeared in a commerical saying that DraftKings is easy and then turned around and filed an affadavit saying he won because of skill. If the first part was true I think we certainly would have seen it mentioned in the various DFS court proceedings.

    I gave an example of a Peter Jennings commerical that conflicts with the facts provided by Mphst18. Like I said, I mostly ignore DFS commericals but i don’t recall Peter Jennings apearing in any DK commercials. He’s done various promotions for DK but the only commercial that I reember mentioning him in was the sock puppet one.

    I guess he’s also pictured holding a giant check in another but so are a lot of people. In fact, by qualifying for a DK live final you agree that DK can use your likeness the same way they used Peter’s.

    Really what I was getting at is why would Mphst18 only attack Peter? What about ehafner? It’s just odd that He seems to only have a vendetta against certain people. He also cites things as facts when they aren’t. I was just trying to get him to clarify where Pete ever said DFS was easy. I don’t recall seeing that, ever.

    You are correct there are others who are part of the advertisements that are in the legal proceedings against dfs in addition to the one I mentioned in this thread which is a FACT.

    The reason I only brought up Peter is caused he is quoted in the article stating integrity which IMO he tossed out the window through these actions.

    The FACT is that this is part of the dfs pending lawsuit so why would you say it’s not a FACT?

    You also may want to re-read my original post where it says the commercial is implying anybody can win. I am not sure where I mentioned easy?

    I think we all know who the commercials were attended to attract and the motives they used.

    http://www.legalsportsreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/DFS-MDL-June-30-Class-Action-Complaint.pdf

    Page 92 I believe.

  • Avgplayer

    The headline for ESPN was click bait of course but they can learn from the article. Eyes are on the industry so DK, FD and any other site need to listen from more people then just the ones they follow on twitter.

  • Ross
    @Avgplayer said...

    I hope RG understands how it looks when they shout down on people who are bringing up real issues.

    I’m confused by this.. When has this happened?

    Pretty sure Mphst will agree with me here that he has not been “attacked” and that nobody from RG is “shouting him down” …. Do some people not agree with his every post? Sure, but that’s far from RG shouting him down.

    Do we expect speculation to be posted as speculation and fact to be posted as fact? Yes.

    One of the best parts of this community is the ability to debate important issues and hopefully bring positive change to the industry. Some will agree, others will not and that’s fine. Picking out 1 or two post you do not agree with does not mean someone is being attacked.

  • mikeyo111

    @catmando said...

    i still want to know if 1.3 percent are winning which one of you is it? should assume 98 percent here are losers

    I’m one of the 1.3% and have been profitable every year since the beginning of FanDuel (I get my 1099-Misc every year to remind me). I remember sitting on Gchat with Jennings and coming up with lineups over Christmas break before he had won anything and was still at his old finance job in Denver. The way I look at it, more people would be profitable if they knew what they wanted to get out of DFS. I look to subsidize my income during the NFL season (I will occasionally play other sports but for very low entry fees and just for fun – I have no expectation of winning). I try to make around $500-$1,000 a week. I play 50/50, heads-up, and 3 man leagues. I don’t mess with GPP’s playing against guys with huge bankrolls entering 150 times. I have no fantasy of winning $1mil – I just want to pull in a bit of money and for that purpose, DFS has served me well. People often complain that it’s impossible to compete with guys max entering…then don’t. If you are looking to hit for millions of dollars than that is the only way it’s going to happen. If you are trying to have fun and make some income on the side, it’s not as hard as you would think. But you can’t have it both ways and I’d rather make an extra $1,000 a week then deal with the risk of mass entering GPP’s.

  • Avgplayer

    @RRT said...

    I’m confused by this.. When has this happened?

    Pretty sure Mphst will agree with me here that he has not been “attacked” and that nobody from RG is “shouting him down” …. Do some people not agree with his every post? Sure, but that’s far from RG shouting him down.

    Do we expect speculation to be posted as speculation and fact to be posted as fact? Yes.

    I don’t understand you’re quote and you’re reply. It is easier to ignore my whole reply to Seth and pick a piece from my post . If you would like examples to anything I stated in my whole post please look no further then in the 2 collision threads concerning Mspht. Concerning other user please feel free to check past threads just within the past 6-8 months.

    I will say without question that for RG to allow this type of discussion is great for the users and the site.

  • Ross
    @Avgplayer said...

    I don’t understand you’re quote and you’re reply. It is easier to ignore my whole reply to Seth and pick a piece from my post . If you would like examples to anything I stated in my whole post please look no further then in the 2 collision threads concerning Mspht. Concerning other user please feel free to check past threads just within the past 6-8 months.

    I will say without question that for RG to allow this type of discussion is great for the users and the site.

    I quoted the line you repeated more than once after reading your post multiple times.
    I have read all of those threads and participated in them, still don’t see it your way which is fine. But if you think I shouldn’t reply to that specific point you are trying to make in the post above you’re wrong.
    You are labeling one or two posts you do not agree with an entire company as a whole bashing a user for bringing important issues up.. This is simply not true.

    Edit – I do understand some people feel this way, its just how it is on the internet. It’s just like this conversation, I wont see things how you see them, and you wont see them the same as me. I do think people should have these conversations openly, and that’s something we do encourage whether it looks that way from where you’re sitting or not.

  • sethayates

    @Mphst18 said...

    You are correct there are others who are part of the advertisements that are in the legal proceedings against dfs in addition to the one I mentioned in this thread which is a FACT.

    The reason I only brought up Peter is caused he is quoted in the article stating integrity which IMO he tossed out the window through these actions.

    The FACT is that this is part of the dfs pending lawsuit so why would you say it’s not a FACT?

    You also may want to re-read my original post where it says the commercial is implying anybody can win. I am not sure where I mentioned easy?

    I think we all know who the commercials were attended to attract and the motives they used.

    http://www.legalsportsreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/DFS-MDL-June-30-Class-Action-Complaint.pdf

    Page 92 I believe.

    From your link:

    In an ad with puppets for DraftKings “Millionaire Maker” contest that ran nearly
    2,000 times in 2014 according to iSpot.tv, DraftKings advertised that someone named Pete
    Jennings won more than $2 million, implying that anyone could win. The puppet representing
    Pete Jennings said “thanks to DraftKings.com, I’ve got all this money.”28 In fact, Pete Jennings
    was a statistical analyst for another DFS site and then became a professional DFS player.

    Jennings filed an affidavit on behalf of DraftKings in a lawsuit brought by the New York
    Attorney General. In it, he said that his success was “the result of the immense amounts of
    research and preparation and the sophisticated analysis I have developed over years of playing.”
    This included 70-80 hours per week of preparation, and up to 90 hours per week during football
    season. (Doc. No. 96). DraftKings’ ad about Mr. Jennings never mentioned his background as a
    sophisticated statistician or the amount of work, time and effort he put into winning “all this
    money” from DraftKings.

    Ok, so what is your gripe here? Peter Jennings by his own admission worked 80-90 hours per week. He managed to hit it big. As part of the agreement that all live finalists must sign he was required to allow DraftKings to use his image and likeness in advertising. I know nothing about Pete’s deal with DK but he works for DKTV and what not. So he obviously has more involvement than just the original agreement to allow them to use his likeness.

    So Pete, a guy who loves to play DFS, files an affadavit in support of DFS in NY. Do you think he controlled the content of the ads that DK featured him in? Its just really hard to make the leap that Pete has no integrity. In fact, other than playing the same lineup as one or two friends (which wasn’t against the TOS at the time) Pete has never done any of the things you, me, and others gripe about. He doesn’t bum hunt in the lobby, he’s barely ever in the cheap games. and he’s made himself available on RG, DKTV and other platforms as an ambassador for the industy.

  • Mphst18

    I thought you said i wasn’t stating facts and it wasn’t part of the dfs legal issues, are you changing your stance there?

    To say one doesn’t have a choice of Having their likeness used is untrue, I didn’t sign anything for my live final.

  • sethayates

    @Mphst18 said...

    I thought you said i wasn’t stating facts and it wasn’t part of the dfs legal issues, are you changing your stance there?

    And seeing how I don’t want my likeness used I didn’t sign anything for my live final so to say one doesn’t have a choice is again you posting non facts.

    Ok, let me circle. We are on the same page.

    1. Pete Jennings won $2M
    2. Pete fulfilled his promotional requirements from step 1.
    3. When DFS legality was challenged Pete filed a support affidavit.

    We agree on all these things. I’m not changing my stance. Pete isn’t in the commercial you originally brought up. It does state that anyone can win but Pete’s name is obviously just being used, He didn’t even appear in the commercial. We can agree to disgaree on whether lending your likeness to a product you love means you have no integrity. I stand by my original point that Peter Jennings is not any any commercial saying that anyone can win.

    With that said, an earlier posted summed it up best. “Anyone can win” does not mean “everyone can win.”

  • Avgplayer

    @RRT said...

    I quoted the line you repeated more than once after reading your post multiple times.
    I have read all of those threads and participated in them, still don’t see it your way which is fine. But if you think I shouldn’t reply to that specific point you are trying to make in the post above you’re wrong.
    You are labeling one or two posts you do not agree with an entire company as a whole bashing a user for bringing important issues up.. This is simply not true.

    Did anyone from RG every attack him or any other user? My guess from you would be no. Just check the 2 collision threads within the past month. RG staff did just that in just those 2 threads. I understand what you are doing, I am just stating what is fact. I really don’t wish to continue this dance with you.

  • Mphst18

    @sethayates said...

    Ok, let me circle. We are on the same page.

    1. Pete Jennings won $2M
    2. Pete fulfilled his promotional requirements from step 1.
    3. When DFS legality was challenged Pete filed a support affidavit.

    We agree on all these things. I’m not changing my stance. Pete isn’t in the commercial you originally brought up. It does state that anyone can win but Pete’s name is obviously just being used, He didn’t even appear in the commercial. We can agree to disgaree on whether lending your likeness to a product you love means you have no integrity. I stand by my original point that Peter Jennings is not any any commercial saying that anyone can win.

    With that said, an earlier posted summed it up best. “Anyone can win” does not mean “everyone can win.”

    We will just agree to disagree but ultimately the court will determine if your point is correct or not around the advertisements.

  • Unico10

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    @FFguru71 said...

    I disagree that you can’t have the big prize pools and not multi entry..I’m okay with multi entry..but 150 is ridiculous. Lets lower it to 25 or so. You know why they never will…the big fish like max would go away…why?? because he knows and the other top guys know if they were only firing a single bullet like the majority of people do…they wouldn;t be NEARLY as successful…and they don’t like the fact it would level the playing field…oh the horror, right max and ganonpuke??

    Yahoo has the $500k Baller with $100k to first, $10 entry and 10 entries max

    Hopefully it fills and gets larger. A decent 1st prize award and a level playing field (I think $100 per player per week is a reasonable amount for anyone to play)

  • Zieg30

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    • 2018 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    @Mphst18 said...

    We will just agree to disagree but ultimately the court will determine if your point is correct or not around the advertisements.

    Sorry to be the third or fourth man in to yours and seth’s back and forth, but I would add that the court is not adjudicating Peter Jennings’ integrity, which is what your debate is about. The court is looking at DK’s advertisements and the way DK chose to use Peter Jennings.

    Based on the evidence before us (unless there’s something I’m missing), it’s hard to say that Peter Jennings himself tried to imply that anyone can win on DK.

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