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  • whodat2

    When: May 31 – June 1

    Where: Dublin, Ohio

    Course: Muirfield Village GC | A par 72 playing at 7392 yards.

    Last Year’s Winner: Bryson DeChambeau at -15

    Last Year’s Cut: Even

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  • mtdurham

    Lets get some chatter going about the course and what type of hitters we should be targeting instead of just who we are playing!

    Im freaking pumped. I love dfs golf. I love thinking about whose fat face im gonna roster and then have to look at his big stupid fat face all week screwing up my best lineup.

    Speaking of which is Jason the Duff Ryder (what?) the Duff Ryder (who?) playing this week?

    Anybody ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?

    Stop the press. Who is that?

    Vicki Vale .

    Just kidding. Its Denny.
    Dennnnny..
    Dennyyyy.
    Denny & the Jets !

    Batdance!
    Batdance!
    Batdance!

  • Kp24

    ^^ you’re a wild dude MTDurham, but as to your course discussion,

    The notes from Mike Miller on the google sheet I think give us a good indication of what to look for.

    You gotta score on the four Par 5s, it’s not overly long but it has a good amount of bunker and water hazards so accurate hitters are key. I am a big tee to green stat guy so I often end up on Cantlay, Kuchar, Woodland and those guys.

    Rose-Rory-Kuchar all have elite course history.
    I’ll be interested to see how JT looks coming off the wrist injury. If he was healthy, him or Rory would be my pick to win

  • BIF

    @whodat I’m headed here to play later this week https://www.cabotlinks.com/

    Their 2 courses are ranked #9 and #43 in the WORLD by Golf Digest https://www.golfdigest.com/story/worlds-100-greatest-golf-courses

    To say I’m pumped would be putting it lightly…

  • BIF

    @Kp24 said...

    ^^ you’re a wild dude MTDurham, but as to your course discussion,

    The notes from Mike Miller on the google sheet I think give us a good indication of what to look for.

    You gotta score on the four Par 5s, it’s not overly long but it has a good amount of bunker and water hazards so accurate hitters are key. I am a big tee to green stat guy so I often end up on Cantlay, Kuchar, Woodland and those guys.

    Rose-Rory-Kuchar all have elite course history.
    I’ll be interested to see how JT looks coming off the wrist injury. If he was healthy, him or Rory would be my pick to win

    Culp’s fantasy golf almanac has great course overviews and quotes from players about the course.

    I don’t always think to read it weekly but I did last week and there was an interesting quote or two from Kevin Na about Colonial and how he loves the course and how he was mad about missing it a year ago because of a sponsor commitment in Asia. I was already on him but made him one of my top owned guys as a result.

  • Kp24

    @BIF said...

    Culp’s fantasy golf almanac has great course overviews and quotes from players about the course.

    I don’t always think to read it weekly but I did last week and there was an interesting quote or two from Kevin Na about Colonial and how he loves the course and how he was mad about missing it a year ago because of a sponsor commitment in Asia. I was already on him but made him one of my top owned guys as a result.

    Cool, I’ll def check it out. Culp def has some good stuff.

    Have a great time on your golf trip BIF. Knock in a few birds

  • whodat2

    @BIF said...

    @whodat I’m headed here to play later this week https://www.cabotlinks.com/

    Their 2 courses are ranked #9 and #43 in the WORLD by Golf Digest https://www.golfdigest.com/story/worlds-100-greatest-golf-courses

    To say I’m pumped would be putting it lightly…

    Wow….. Cabot Links and cliffs look effing amazing! Definitely Jelly!

  • klubba575

    Last year it was a 3 man playoff between good ball strikers KSDT, Ben An, and Dechambles who was on fire at the time. Being in the fairway is a good thing as the rough can be thick and heavy. It’s been a rainy spring here in the Midwest, guessing it will be a similar scenario again this year. I’ll be checking to see what players are saying after practice rounds.

  • Dunzor

    @mtdurham said...

    Lets get some chatter going about the course and what type of hitters we should be targeting instead of just who we are playing!

    Im freaking pumped. I love dfs golf. I love thinking about whose fat face im gonna roster and then have to look at his big stupid fat face all week screwing up my best lineup.

    Speaking of which is Jason the Duff Ryder (what?) the Duff Ryder (who?) playing this week?

    Anybody ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?

    Stop the press. Who is that?

    Vicki Vale .

    Just kidding. Its Denny.
    Dennnnny..
    Dennyyyy.
    Denny & the Jets !

    Batdance!
    Batdance!
    Batdance!

    Even though Memorial is a par 72, it’s actually not that long for one, and there are a bunch of holes where you can hit less than driver off the tee. The difference between it and colonial is that the fairways are much easier to hit at Memorial so accuracy isn’t quite as important off the tee….but the greens are much smaller and faster so holding them on approach is harder making a bigger focus on approach.

    If you look at previous results here you see the top iron players over and over in contention. There’s also a lot more water and danger lurking, so you need guys who are either good at avoiding the big number or have the ability to go real low to offset them. I think this past week was about the grinders and the scramblers, whereas at Memorial I’ll be targeting a bit more of the roller coaster birdie machine crowd. Just look at results for guys like Stanley and Dufner who are elite iron players when on who have been known to be volatile when it comes to making birdies.

  • smallANDflaccid

    @BIF said...

    @whodat I’m headed here to play later this week https://www.cabotlinks.com/

    Their 2 courses are ranked #9 and #43 in the WORLD by Golf Digest https://www.golfdigest.com/story/worlds-100-greatest-golf-courses

    To say I’m pumped would be putting it lightly…

    Someone I follow on twitter is there now. I want to say Moose something?

    I drove the Cabot Trail a few years ago when I was into sports cars – many twisty roads. On the way up there every single town we stopped in sent the police to throw us out – it was like they thought we were some sort of fast and furious bank heist about to happen. On the way back I got the only speeding ticket of my life, in Maine. I was lucky though b/c they pulled me over claiming I was going 80, but I was going … much faster, back around the corner.

    Not a lot of gas stations up there around Cabot.

  • BIF

    @smallANDflaccid said...

    Someone I follow on twitter is there now. I want to say Moose something?

    I drove the Cabot Trail a few years ago when I was into sports cars – many twisty roads. On the way up there every single town we stopped in sent the police to throw us out – it was like they thought we were some sort of fast and furious bank heist about to happen. On the way back I got the only speeding ticket of my life, in Maine. I was lucky though b/c they pulled me over claiming I was going 80, but I was going … much faster, back around the corner.

    Not a lot of gas stations up there around Cabot.

    Yah Moose from FNGC was just there for 3 days also saw that on Twitter – he’s from Minneapolis.

    I’ve been to Cape Breton/Cabot Trail before and yes that drive is awesome – these golf courses were not yet open as this was about 7-8 years ago.

  • whodat2

    Sent you a PM smallANDflaccid.

  • keephustlincuz

    @BIF said...

    @whodat I’m headed here to play later this week https://www.cabotlinks.com/

    Their 2 courses are ranked #9 and #43 in the WORLD by Golf Digest https://www.golfdigest.com/story/worlds-100-greatest-golf-courses

    To say I’m pumped would be putting it lightly…

    Enjoy your time in Cape Breton. Not sure if you drink but they just opened a new brewery up there called Route 19 Brewing. I hope you get a few days of good weather.

  • BIF

    @keephustlincuz said...

    Enjoy your time in Cape Breton. Not sure if you drink but they just opened a new brewery up there called Route 19 Brewing. I hope you get a few days of good weather.

    Oh yes I like my beers🍻

    I follow that new brewery on Twitter (I’m a huge craft beer fan) and the weather look good so far for Fri-Sat-Sun (around 15-18* C).

    Thanks

  • timusbr

    I forget last year and how soon the salaries come out. On one hand the employees in Boston deserve a nice day off to enjoy the early spring weather, On the other hand, I got a few hours to kill and wish I could move my process along. I did a BIF thing and evaluate several golfers I like for the course, without salaries.

  • keephustlincuz

    @BIF said...

    Oh yes I like my beers🍻

    I follow that new brewery on Twitter (I’m a huge craft beer fan) and the weather look good so far for Fri-Sat-Sun (around 15-18* C).

    Thanks

    I hope it holds up. They had the memorial cup tournament here for the past 10 days. The weather was awful. It rained most of the time and the day time high was 8 or 9 C. Two nice days the whole time. We even had a frost warning a few days ago. That course will be super soft.

  • BIF

    @keephustlincuz said...

    I hope it holds up. They had the memorial cup tournament here for the past 10 days. The weather was awful. It rained most of the time and the day time high was 8 or 9 C. Two nice days the whole time. We even had a frost warning a few days ago. That course will be super soft.

    Yah I was kind of worried when I saw the forecasts a week ago – I’d be surprised if course is wet/soft as it’ll have 4-5 days to dry out before I get there plus I didn’t think those courses would hold any water because they are meant to be played firm/fast.

    Back to this week’s event – I always look forward to Jack’s Muirfield Village and The Memorial to watch it but the small field is a deterrent for DFS. These 120 player fields suck – last year 80-81 guys made the 36 hole cut and 73 thru the MDF on Saturday. That’s like two-thirds of the players made 36-hole cut which meant a higher 6/6 – I hate those weeks.

  • timgodd375

    Finished 1 point out of the money last week in the $444 after Casey WD so back to just playing the pat mayo lol

  • eruthruff

    We’ve had this discussion before, but I prefer the smaller field events. The cut introduces some randomness, so smaller %MC means more predictable. At the same time, I think cut sweats add a lot of excitement.

  • eruthruff

    I“m thinking about going very light on the weekend contests this week and in the future. I’ve been noticing that they are often unstable, especially in cash games. Has anyone else noticed that?

    The % ownership is often much more skewed than it is for the full 4-round contests (many guys at 50-80% ownership). Partly as a consequence of that, whether you win or lose frequently comes down to whether you played one specific player or not. Last week, it mostly came down to whether you avoided playing Rose or not. I’ve seen other weeks where a 50% owned player goes bonkers. Every single person who played him won, and every single person who didn’t lost.

    Sure, maybe there’s some skill in deciding whether to play that one key player, but it just seems random. I’d say that Rose was a decent weekend play at a modest price, given his course history and long-term skill.

    On the other hand, the high rollers (notorious, bric75, CSURAM, dagodfather, and so on) play the weekend contests heavily, so maybe that implies they’re making money (and it’s not so random after all)?

  • timusbr

    #beattheforum volunteer last week gave a slight edge to the forum winning 12 losing 16
    the season long record is Forum 253 Volunteer 211.

    This week klubba575 takes the hot seat. I think he is from the area and plays pretty good golf DFS.

    Next week is the RBC Canadian Open (no longer the week after the Open Championship, Whoops there goes the airline package the host paid for to entice the players to make it to Canada)

    Looking for volunteer for the RBC Canadian Open and others
    week 36 Jun 6 – 9 RBC Canadian Open
    week 38 Jun 20 – 23 Travelers Championship
    week 39 Jun 27 – 30 Rocket Mortgage Classic
    week 40 Jul 4 – 7 3M Open
    week 41 Jul 11 – 14 John Deere Classic
    week 42 Jul 18 – 21 The Open Championship
    week 44 Aug 1 – 4 Wyndham Championship
    week 45 Aug 8 – 11 THE NORTHERN TRUST

    So as you can see the season is rapidly coming to an end. Fed Ex points are going to start to get stressful with guys trying to secure spots in the 125 player field of the Northern Trust.

  • Kp24

    I don’t particularly like the weekend contests. Mostly because I’m so invested in the 4 day slate and don’t really often hedge or try to double down on guys I already have.

    I do think there’s an edge, you can target guys who are gaining strokes off the tee but not seeing putts drop or just play hunch plays that give you that one or two day exposure. But all in all, it’s not as fun, not nearly as fun as the big 4 day contests.

  • timgodd375

    @eruthruff said...

    We’ve had this discussion before, but I prefer the smaller field events. The cut introduces some randomness, so smaller %MC means more predictable. At the same time, I think cut sweats add a lot of excitement.

    The huge events lead to a better change for a huge payday though if 6/6 is 3% and you can get 6/6 you don’t need all 6 in the top 10 to actually win

  • timusbr

    eruthruff, without digging into finding any stats to back my opinion. I would say that showdown and weekend easily play different from the 4 day classic. You have been around long enough to see people unhappy with the multiple rules and scoring differences of the events. (I am in favor of the different rules, it does separate contests). In every DFS sport, the first rule is to figure out where do DFS points come from and pick your players accordingly. DFS Golf is a weird game where the finishing bonus points is added as soon as they start playing. I believe this confuses people. advantage goes to pro’s and hopefully people like myself.

    I like the showdown, I have done very good some weeks and not others. I would say I finish on average closer to the bubble than on some weeks of classic where I am fighting for DFL.
    1) I think some golfers tend to start Thursday very good and some start mediocre. Its an identifiable trend
    2) I think you can judge some players by how they do rd 1
    3) overall but not always, a player who scores top 10 Fpts on one day, doesnt repeat the next day.
    4) the contests are getting real tight on showdown, you could miss the cash line by 1 point but 100 positions away.

    I am not much of a cash game guy, so I dont know how H2H’s fair.

  • lfn1992

    @timusbr said...

    eruthruff, without digging into finding any stats to back my opinion. I would say that showdown and weekend easily play different from the 4 day classic. You have been around long enough to see people unhappy with the multiple rules and scoring differences of the events. (I am in favor of the different rules, it does separate contests). In every DFS sport, the first rule is to figure out where do DFS points come from and pick your players accordingly. DFS Golf is a weird game where the finishing bonus points is added as soon as they start playing. I believe this confuses people. advantage goes to pro’s and hopefully people like myself.

    I like the showdown, I have done very good some weeks and not others. I would say I finish on average closer to the bubble than on some weeks of classic where I am fighting for DFL.
    1) I think some golfers tend to start Thursday very good and some start mediocre. Its an identifiable trend
    2) I think you can judge some players by how they do rd 1
    3) overall but not always, a player who scores top 10 Fpts on one day, doesnt repeat the next day.
    4) the contests are getting real tight on showdown, you could miss the cash line by 1 point but 100 positions away.

    I am not much of a cash game guy, so I dont know how H2H’s fair.

    I would also add to this that Round 4 showdown is an entirely different animal as well

  • Hyak420

    @timusbr said...

    #beattheforum volunteer last week gave a slight edge to the forum winning 12 losing 16
    the season long record is Forum 253 Volunteer 211.

    This week klubba575 takes the hot seat. I think he is from the area and plays pretty good golf DFS.

    Next week is the RBC Canadian Open (no longer the week after the Open Championship, Whoops there goes the airline package the host paid for to entice the players to make it to Canada)

    Looking for volunteer for the RBC Canadian Open and others
    week 36 Jun 6 – 9 RBC Canadian Open
    week 38 Jun 20 – 23 Travelers Championship
    week 39 Jun 27 – 30 Rocket Mortgage Classic
    week 40 Jul 4 – 7 3M Open
    week 41 Jul 11 – 14 John Deere Classic
    week 42 Jul 18 – 21 The Open Championship
    week 44 Aug 1 – 4 Wyndham Championship
    week 45 Aug 8 – 11 THE NORTHERN TRUST

    So as you can see the season is rapidly coming to an end. Fed Ex points are going to start to get stressful with guys trying to secure spots in the 125 player field of the Northern Trust.

    If there are no takers at the end of the season, I’ll volunteer for the Northern Trust if needed. Cheers!

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