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  • BIF

    The PLAYERS Championship – TPC Sawgrass

    2015 Winning Score -12 Rickie Fowler in a 3-man playoff
    To make the 36 hole cut you needed to be Even Par

    2014 winning score -13 Cut was Even Par to play the weekend
    2013 winning score -13 Cut was Even Par
    2012 winning score -13 Cut was Even Par
    2011 winning score -13 Cut was Even Par
    No that was not a typo…..same winning score 2011-2014 and same cut line the last 5 years !

    This tournament marks the return of Jordan Spieth – first tourney since his Masters debacle and the #SB2K16 vacation.

    This tourney also annually features one of the strongest fields of the year.

    Only 144 players this week and the usual 70 & ties make the cut. With a smaller field, the 6/6% has the chance to be higher than past weeks (based solely on the fact that a higher percentage of field is making the cut).

    Last year (2015) there were some big (very BIG) names that missed the cut and that is normal here because just about every hole can be birdied or double bogied. If it’s it anything like last year, there will be carnage that will put us DFS’ers on tilt early.

    2015 Key Missed Cuts
    Daniel Berger CUT 71 74 145
    Brooks Koepka CUT 78 67 145
    Jason Kokrak CUT 69 76 145
    Matt Kuchar CUT 73 72 145
    Ryan Moore CUT 73 72 145
    Justin Rose CUT 71 74 145
    Jason Dufner CUT 73 73 146
    Harris English CUT 75 71 146
    Danny Lee CUT 73 73 146
    Lee Westwood CUT 76 70 146
    Danny Willett CUT 72 74 146
    Brandt Snedeker CUT 69 78 147
    Jordan Spieth CUT 75 72 147
    Phil Mickelson CUT 73 76 149
    Ryan Palmer CUT 77 72 149
    Jason Day CUT 69 81 150
    Luke Donald CUT 77 76 153
    Gary Woodland CUT 79 74 153
    Aaron Baddeley CUT 78 77 155

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    PGA $3.5M FANTASY GOLF MILLIONAIRE SUPERSATELLITE
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  • whodat2

    I have Kirk and I will lose 11 points. Will not affect me as I am ahead by more than that in all my cash games, and not placing in any tourneys anyway.

    Another one in the books……… Is it Thursday yet??

  • mmccannwin

    @tgowen said...

    Can’t hate too much on Mats today. He only had 3 negative holes, 3 birdies, and didn’t plummet down the leaderboard. Could have been much worse.

    Agreed.

  • 4Champion

    Kevin Chappell really helped me out today. He’s gonna win one soon, dude has game.

  • Dewoc19

    @BIF said...

    It’ll vary significantly from week to week; this week I was 18 of 28 making cut which was good given the amount of “good” players missing the cut but I did lose a couple highly owned players like Stenson and Fowler who cost me a ton of 6/6’s.

    I think a better Stat to track is of your 600% total ownership – what % made the cut. If you have 500+ then you will likely have a good (or great week). If you are below 400-450 (depending on the week) you will likely be unhappy!

    600% I’m assuming is 6 players at 100% ownership, but how would you track this vs my way, I’m not sure I understand your method?

  • mmccannwin

    @4Champion said...

    Kevin Chappell really helped me out today. He’s gonna win one soon, dude has game.

    Nah.

  • TeamTwerk

    In retrospect Colt Knost was a fantastic fit for this course and should’ve been an obvious pick. On the year he is 2nd on tour in driving accuracy and 12th in scrambling. I’m kinda kicking myself for missing him.

  • BIF

    @Dewoc19 said...

    600% I’m assuming is 6 players at 100% ownership, but how would you track this vs my way, I’m not sure I understand your method?

    Use that fantasy fanatics website and copy over your ownership to a spreadsheet and then you can track both stats methods (yours and mine) – what I’m getting at is that you can hit 24/30 in cut makers but if your Top 6 owned % guys miss the cut, you’ll get slaughtered despite getting 80% thru.

  • polarns

    People really need to stop sending tirades and sometimes outright threatening golfers on Twitter via publicly visible tweets because said golfer ‘ruined’ their DFS lineup and “lost them thousands” or “tens of thousands.”

    In addition to embarrassing the community, these tweets scream out to any Attorney General that sees them that this is GAMBLING and that DFS is socially harmful.

    If you are racking up thousands of dollars worth of entries that you can’t afford to lose, delete your twitter and get some help.

  • tgowen

    • Blogger of the Month

    After the chaos of yesterday, I’d be curious to hear how many people weren’t successful with 5/6 guys remaining. Today seemed to bring things back to normal.

    For me, 18/20 lineups cashed with 11/20 having at least 5/6. Again, people can correct me if I’m wrong, but with golf I can’t imagine too many scenarios where having 5/6 or 6/6 will ever put you at a disadvantage like some were implying yesterday.

  • BIF

    @BIF said...

    Use that fantasy fanatics website and copy over your ownership to a spreadsheet and then you can track both stats methods (yours and mine) – what I’m getting at is that you can hit 24/30 in cut makers but if your Top 6 owned % guys miss the cut, you’ll get slaughtered despite getting 80% thru.

    To expand, I usually play 1-3 guys at 40+ percent ownership, a core of guys on 20-30% of lineups and then slot in a bunch at around 15%. So of course getting as many guys thru the cut is important, it is equally (or more) important to be stacking or loading up on the right guys – nothing kills a pile of lineups faster that having Stenson on 40% of your lineups and miss the cut.

  • BIF

    @tgowen said...

    Again, people can correct me if I’m wrong, but with golf I can’t imagine too many scenarios where having 5/6 or 6/6 will ever put you at a disadvantage like some were implying yesterday.

    True – there are days where everyone seems to be backing up but for every position someone drops, someone is moving up.

    It is possible in a US Open scoring type of event to have a guy miss the cut by a shot end up with a point or two more than someone who made cut and shoots 80-80 (with no birds) on the weekend but that is pretty rare.

    Even with the bad scoring here overall on the weekend, there were still a ton of birdies and eagles and a 3pt birdie takes 6 bogies or 3 doubles to saw off.

    I didn’t look at every scorecard but I’m sure everyone gained “hole scoring” points on the weekend, they may have lost “position points” but still exceeded everyone who missed cut.

  • mmccannwin

    @tgowen said...

    After the chaos of yesterday, I’d be curious to hear how many people weren’t successful with 5/6 guys remaining. Today seemed to bring things back to normal.

    For me, 18/20 lineups cashed with 11/20 having at least 5/6. Again, people can correct me if I’m wrong, but with golf I can’t imagine too many scenarios where having 5/6 or 6/6 will ever put you at a disadvantage like some were implying yesterday.

    I had 5/6 and barely cashed everything. It’s so hard to do that when day plays the way he did and you don’t have him. Day =2 golfers for dfs scoring

  • Cbed11

    @BIF said...

    I didn’t look at every scorecard but I’m sure everyone gained “hole scoring” points on the weekend, they may have lost “position points” but still exceeded everyone who missed cut.

    Leishman tried his best. Guess he was content with his finish to round 2.

  • RangerC

    I had 2 5/6 that didn’t cash (they had Stenson though who basically made it a 4.5/6) and 2 5/6 with Chappell (no Day) that were top 3%. Tough week – had a lot of Knost/Chappell (2 of the 3 guys you needed to win a GPP) but no Day (the 3rd guy) and 80% Stenson (whoops).

  • tgowen

    • Blogger of the Month

    @mmccannwin said...

    I had 5/6 and barely cashed everything. It’s so hard to do that when day plays the way he did and you don’t have him. Day =2 golfers for dfs scoring

    Yes, but you still cashed. Not sure what game you were playing, but I feel like winning a GPP is mostly about having the one or two players that go nuts (assuming there are any that stand out), while cashing in a GPP comes down to having a solid overall team (and in golf I consider that a 5/6 or 6/6 week).

    There will always be outliers, but yesterday some people were acting as though having 5/6 may be a disadvantage. For that individual day it possibly was (even though I contend that it had a negative effect for very few people). However, today I doubled my “current winnings” from yesterday and I feel like having more players left than others was the deciding factor in that.

    In the end I don’t think it really matters though. Nobody builds a lineup to get 3/6 or 4/6 to the weekend. It’s more wishful thinking than anything that a 3/6 or 4/6 lineup can beat lineups that have more. Sometimes it will, often it won’t.

  • BIF

    @Cbed11 said...

    Leishman tried his best. Guess he was content with his finish to round 2.

    Lots of complaining about Leishman from owners on the weekend and I understand but overall he held his position – entered the weekend T62 and finished T64

    Neither gained or lost any position points so owners got a few points over the weekend which guys with missed cuts didn’t. I know owners expect more from a guy who almost won at St Andrews but could have been worse.

    Wilcox and O’Hair really dropped on the weekend doing more damage than Leishman Sat-Sun. Yah yah I know Will got an ace which covers off part of that decline. I owned 20% O’Hair so he hurt some lineups.

  • Offthechain76

    I’m so frustrated with myself for swapping out Kuchar for Snedekar. I would have had a very good 6/6 with Kuchar in the Dogleg. Won $70 in the dogleg with Snedekar and would have won $400 with Kuchar. A lot of money left on the table swapping those 2 out in half my lineups.

  • superstars92

    @tgowen said...

    There will always be outliers, but yesterday some people were acting as though having 5/6 may be a disadvantage.

    I don’t think anyone thinks 5/6 is a disadvantage. It is always an advantage to have more people make the cut because you have 36 more holes to score points. Since par is still +0.5 points and usually golfers can average at least par, it cannot possibly be a disadvantage.

    However, what people were saying yesterday is that under tough conditions, having more people is not as big of an advantage anymore. That is because there aren’t as many birdie opportunities, and in fact possibly more bogey opportunities where you actually lose points and move down the leaderboard. On average though since birdies are +3 points and bogeys are only -0.5 points, even on a tough day, having more people is an advantage but it is just not that big. On tough days, having placement points becomes more of an advantage since there are less holes to score points so that is why you can move up the leaderboard having less golfers make the cut because it is more about placement. Since today got easier, that was clearly evident when you have more people it is an advantage.

    We can easily test this theory at the US Open where it is incredibly tough to shoot low. I bet if the US Open is like what it is in the past, you can see that the relative ratio of the percentage of 4/6 who cash a GPP compared to the percentage of 5/6 who cash a GPP will be higher than the normal relative ratio. Of course, the percentage of 5/6 who cash a GPP will still be higher, but that difference won’t be as big so having more people make the cut doesn’t help as much under tough conditions. It is still an advantage though.

  • thetitanlb

    It’s nearly impossible for a golfer to not get any points over a 2 day span. So it’s never a good thing to have less guys make a cut.

  • thetitanlb

    @tgowen said...

    Yes, but you still cashed. Not sure what game you were playing, but I feel like winning a GPP is mostly about having the one or two players that go nuts (assuming there are any that stand out), while cashing in a GPP comes down to having a solid overall team (and in golf I consider that a 5/6 or 6/6 week).

    There will always be outliers, but yesterday some people were acting as though having 5/6 may be a disadvantage. For that individual day it possibly was (even though I contend that it had a negative effect for very few people). However, today I doubled my “current winnings” from yesterday and I feel like having more players left than others was the deciding factor in that.

    In the end I don’t think it really matters though. Nobody builds a lineup to get 3/6 or 4/6 to the weekend. It’s more wishful thinking than anything that a 3/6 or 4/6 lineup can beat lineups that have more. Sometimes it will, often it won’t.

    Basically you win a gpp by getting as many guys in the t10 as possible. It’s basically as simple as that lol.

  • JimKronlund

    3 teams 6/6 (out of 200) in Drive the Green
    58 teams in Drive the Green in the money 494th lowest rank

    2 teams 6/6 (out of 100) in the birdie
    21 teams in Birdie in the money. 35th 46th lowest rank

    Third straight week ahead. Last week was much more lucrative.
    I did not think I would even cover bets. So pretty surprised how it all went after such a terrible cut rate.
    I nailed all the leaders except Duke. My 5/6 was the money maker. Even my 4/6 made substantial winnings in the 2 large GGP’s.

    Edit: I did need cash games to get to positive numbers but not much.

  • JimKronlund

    @superstars92 said...

    Of course, the percentage of 5/6 who cash a GPP will still be higher, but that difference won’t be as big so having more people make the cut doesn’t help as much under tough conditions. It is still an advantage though.

    Well said and I couldn’t agree more.

  • CJtheGrump

    Yesterday was surreal. It’s like the greens were suddenly made of ice.

    I was thrilled to get the kind of start I had. I was also thrilled when Leishman made the cut with an eagle and a birdie in his last three holes of round 2.

    After that, was was like watching weeds grow in the front yard. Nothing was happening and if it did, it was bad. Day was sitting atop the leaderboard and everyone else was 3-putting their way back down to earth. Still ended up cashing in 2 gpps and one double up, but given the start, I got my hopes up for more.

  • amanuel777

    @thetitanlb said...

    Basically you win a gpp by getting as many guys in the t10 as possible. It’s basically as simple as that lol.

    That’s pretty damn astute.

  • al0e_neill

    Had 1 5/6, and 2 4/6 (Kirk was one of my MC on one team). Then a 3/6. Had both 4/6 and above cash in cash games and 1 of them min cash in gpp. Thought I was screwed come Friday with only 1 lineup barely cashing but this weekend did some crazy shit. Woooo for coming out positive still

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