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  • tahtinp

    Have you all actually taken the time to consider the implications of the current rake across the major DFS sites? I recently started thinking about this more, and I think I am going to be making some changes.

    The problem is we don’t see it at the surface. We see a $12 buy-in, with 3,921 entries and a $40k guaranteed prize pool. The reality is this: your actual buy-in that goes into the prize pool is $10.20, and your fee to play in that tournament is $1.80. This $1.80 adds up substantially over time. If you lay $25,000 in buy-ins for the year, only $21,250 went into prize pools, and you paid a fee of $3,750.

    FantasyDraft has stepped up with an interesting concept. We’re hearing “rake free”, but we all know they’re still making something off of the players. The thing is, it isn’t really much and it’s extremely player friendly.

    Let’s assume a player lays $25,000 on FantasyDraft over the course of a year. Let’s also assume this player is close to break even and can get this done with an initial deposit of $5,000 without needing to deposit anymore for the remainder of the year. There is a 3% deposit fee, so the first bit of rake is $150. Next up is the monthly fee for playing on their site. For $14.99, you can play up to $3,000 in entries per month. This suffices for our example. If we play all 12 months, this next bit of rake is $179.88. Add that to the deposit fee and we have ourselves a grand total of $329.88 for the year in rake to lay our $25,000 in entries.

    That is a relatively massive difference between the site that has a 15% rake, and FantasyDraft. The great thing is we all have the choice to play or not play, and which sites we want to play on. My hope is that we continue to see competitors step up and make these games more appealing. I know seeing ($100k to 1st) may give you a temporary dopamine rush, but try to remember that for most, the rake alone makes you a massive underdog to be profitable in the long-run playing in these contests.

  • Jvanspro

    @yisman said...

    I missed some contests as there were too many for me to enter (each contest I had to click, then click to enter all lineups, etc. took time for each), but these overlaid and were cheap GPPs:

    https://www.fantasydraft.com/ticket/11507574/
    https://www.fantasydraft.com/ticket/11507742/
    https://www.fantasydraft.com/ticket/11507483/

    they usually also have quarter and one cent GPPs if you want to go even cheaper. Yes, you said freeroll to 2 dollars but 4 and 5 dollar are cheap contests to enter. I don’t see what the problem is with $1 spiral. You could play 5 entries a week in it and not even pay a subscription fee.

    I roughly broke even yesterday.

    The Spiral is a great contest. I play it every week and turn a profit most weeks.

  • jayzee666

    @yisman said...

    I missed some contests as there were too many for me to enter (each contest I had to click, then click to enter all lineups, etc. took time for each), but these overlaid and were cheap GPPs:

    https://www.fantasydraft.com/ticket/11507574/
    https://www.fantasydraft.com/ticket/11507742/
    https://www.fantasydraft.com/ticket/11507483/

    they usually also have quarter and one cent GPPs if you want to go even cheaper. Yes, you said freeroll to 2 dollars but 4 and 5 dollar are cheap contests to enter. I don’t see what the problem is with $1 spiral. You could play 5 entries a week in it and not even pay a subscription fee.

    I roughly broke even yesterday.

    The subject of this thread IS paying a subscription fee to save on rake.
    I have no complaints regarding contest offerings without paying a subscription fee because I am not paying anything so they can offer anything they want.

    I don’t mind paying rake if they have a larger choice of contests that I am looking for.

    I only check the site a few times a week – not constantly looking for a contest I prefer to show up.

  • jayzee666

    @Jvanspro said...

    The Spiral is a great contest. I play it every week and turn a profit most weeks.

    I play the Spiral each week also.
    In fact, it is about the only contest I can find that fits my requirements. There are only 2 contests that I find each week. The other cheap entries usually have a 150 max entry limit – NOT for me!!

    For me, playing 2 contests a week (again I am not checking the site 3-4 times a day for contests) does not justify paying monthly fee for saving a few cents on rake, which is the subject of this thread.

  • carney259

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    Because of the roster flexibility, all of the ownership gravitates to the chalk on FantasyDraft. This week Thomas was 52% owned in the main event GPP. Two weeks ago, Samuels was 76% owned in the main event (compared to 50% owned in the Milly Maker). No one should be that highly owned in a GPP. There’s actually more ability to leverage a low-owned play on FantasyDraft than on the big sites, if you’re willing to be a little contrarian. Slayton was 0% owned in the main event vs. 4.5% owned in the Milly maker this week.

  • yisman

    @jayzee666 said...

    The subject of this thread IS paying a subscription fee to save on rake.
    I have no complaints regarding contest offerings without paying a subscription fee because I am not paying anything so they can offer anything they want.

    I don’t mind paying rake if they have a larger choice of contests that I am looking for.

    I only check the site a few times a week – not constantly looking for a contest I prefer to show up.

    but you’re not paying a subscription fee

    you can play up to $100 free each month, so there’s zero rake for you

    subscription fee is for people playing more than 100

  • Jvanspro

    @yisman said...

    but you’re not paying a subscription fee

    you can play up to $100 free each month, so there’s zero rake for you

    subscription fee is for people playing more than 100

    Even then it’s 6 bucks if you play less than 1k. Clearly you aren’t coming near that or 100.

    Not really sure why you are complaining when you’re entering 14 cents a week.

  • Jvanspro

    @carney259 said...

    Because of the roster flexibility, all of the ownership gravitates to the chalk on FantasyDraft. This week Thomas was 52% owned in the main event GPP. Two weeks ago, Samuels was 76% owned in the main event (compared to 50% owned in the Milly Maker). No one should be that highly owned in a GPP. There’s actually more ability to leverage a low-owned play on FantasyDraft than on the big sites, if you’re willing to be a little contrarian. Slayton was 0% owned in the main event vs. 4.5% owned in the Milly maker this week.

    Ding ding. Thinking outside the box is much more profitable on FantasyDraft. Clearly, if you eat the chalk you probably aren’t winning much over there.

    Thomas was owned by everyone but I had Hill on most of my teams at under 10%. Leverage ownership and you will profit on fantasydraft. Play chalk and you shouldn’t expect to win.

  • jayzee666

    If you look at previous page, I stated I cancelled the monthly subscription that I was trying out. I tried it because everyone is raving about it. I just wanted to point out the limitations. Need to point
    out some of the cons. If they offered much more contests that I described and that DK offers, I may play more. I only play 14 cents a day at Fantasy draft because of the limited offerings.

  • mattyice522

    How big are the daily mme tournys on draft?

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