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  • whodat2

    When: April 22-25

    Where: New Orleans

    Course: TPC Louisiana | A par 72 playing at 7425 yards

    Last Year’s Winner: (2019) John Rahm & Ryan Palmer at -26

    Last Year’s Cut: -8

    Coverage: PGATourLive | Golf Channel | CBS

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  • timusbr

    @hautalak said...

    Yeah I wonder how the bonuses are going to work for the bottom guys (I suppose Rickie is included in that now). He’s already set we know that but I wonder if some of these guys at the bottom are going to try and become social media stars. Seems a bit unlikely in PGA but I’m sure there are some taking notice and seeing what they can do.

    I heard it was top 10 players in this ranking get to split the 40Million. 8 Million for 1st.

  • lfn1992

    @BrianVT said...

    Just start with Atwal/Barnrat and you can probably come up with something.

  • lfn1992

    I have 11, possibly 12, teams I feel comfortable playing. Question is how many combos can I make with them

  • BrianVT

    @BIF said...

    How heavily owned are

    Unfortunately, my site is doing individual golfer ownership like normal, which is completely worthless. I don’t think there’s even a way to take those numbers and figure out the team ownership.

    I’d be interested in knowing some team ownerships myself if anybody has them

  • hautalak

    @timusbr said...

    I heard it was top 10 players in this ranking get to split the 40Million. 8 Million for 1st.

    That’s what I read on the ESPN article too. Oh shit!!!… Where’s our old boy (can’t believe I’m forgetting his name!) who was DFL just about every tourney but we love on Twitter?

    Edit: It was Steven Bowditch I was thinking of!!! Had to look back at the forum for that one!

  • mitchsnyderdfw

    @BIF said...

    How heavily owned are:

    Rahm/Palmer
    Cantlay/Xander
    Brown/Kisner
    Cam/Leish
    and a few of the other top chalky pairs

    Rahm and Smith around 20%
    Xander 15%
    Brown 8%

    Top projected is NESmith/Seiffert – 25%

  • hautalak

    Found his name on this post! https://rotogrinders.com/threads/at-t-byron-nelson-tpc-four-seasons-irving-tx-1306978?page=1

    Also found this while searching which is interesting. https://rotogrinders.com/threads/zurich-classic-of-new-orleans-1280269 One because of the golfers we are talking about. And two b/c we see a ton of old posters!!!

  • lfn1992

    @mitchsnyderdfw said...

    Top projected is NESmith/Seiffert – 25%

    Please – you’re almost FORCING me to MME this

  • timusbr

    @BrianVT said...

    Unfortunately, my site is doing individual golfer ownership like normal, which is completely w

    Ive been doing double sorts on everything to get teammates matched up. if you combined the projection of Rahm with Palmer ….isnt that ownership for the team…..Michelle Wei’s golf math in use

  • BIF

    @mitchsnyderdfw said...

    Rahm and Smith around 20%
    Xander 15%
    Brown 8%

    Top projected is NESmith/Seiffert – 25%

    Those projections seem low as only 80 teams and basically 20 of them will have 1% or less ownership so that basically leaves an average ownership of close to 10% for the remaining 60 teams.

    Why is NeSmith/Seiffert so high ? Price at 7.5K is a little low but I doubt they should be over 8K

  • lfn1992

    @BIF said...

    Those projections seem low as only 80 teams and basically 20 of them will have 1% or less ownership so that basically leaves an average ownership of close to 10% for the remaining 60 teams.

    Why is NeSmith/Seiffert so high ? Price at 7.5K is a little low but I doubt they should be over 8K

    Wait, are you telling me Woody Austin/Rocco Mediate is going to be 1% or less?

  • BIF

    @hautalak said...

    That’s what I read on the ESPN article too. Oh shit!!!… Where’s our old boy (can’t believe I’m forgetting his name!) who was DFL just about every tourney but we love on Twitter?

    Edit: It was Steven Bowditch I was thinking of!!! Had to look back at the forum for that one!

    There are multiple criteria in the their ranking process and first is Fed Ex Cup standings so nope.

    At first I thought this $40M bonus pool was an April Fools joke overall and a bad idea but if it is basically a defensive move to protect the top players from jumping to the proposed big money Saudi PGL then it makes more sense.

    I’d like to see it stretch past the top 10 ultra richest players – first name I thought of who might be on the outside looking in was Max Homa – great self marketer and interacts with the people on social media but not sure his other scores in the ranking system would be enough to beat out the elite names for brand impact, etc..

  • BIF

    @lfn1992 said...

    Wait, are you telling me Woody Austin/Rocco Mediate is going to be 1% or less?

    Sadly yes but if you want to go all in on them, let me know which contests you are in ;)

  • hautalak

    @BIF said...

    There are multiple criteria in the their ranking process and first is Fed Ex Cup standings so nope.

    At first I thought this $40M bonus pool was an April Fools joke overall and a bad idea but if it is basically a defensive move to protect the top players from jumping to the proposed big money Saudi PGL then it makes more sense.

    I’d like to see it stretch past the top 10 ultra richest players – first name I thought of who might be on the outside looking in was Max Homa – great self marketer and interacts with the people on social media but not sure his other scores in the ranking system would be enough to beat out the elite names for brand impact, etc..

    Gotcha. Yeah I only got a snipit of it. To me it never seemed any of the “true” golfers ever wanted anything to do with the PGL but it was enough of a threat to make PGA add some additional money.

    That being said, I agree it should extend down and I’d even say T30 (sticking with FedEx system). Definitely don’t need Rickie boy making any more money lol Sucks too because I like him but man has his game fallen and I’m not sure it’s coming back any time soon.

  • timusbr

    @hautalak said...

    That’s what I read on the ESPN article too. Oh shit!!!… Where’s our old boy (can’t believe I’m forgetting his name!) who was DFL just about every tourney but we love on Twitter?

    Edit: It was Steven Bowditch I was thinking of!!! Had to look back at the forum for that one!

    A popularity award… The tour has 40 million to give away along with all the other post season awards. Do the other post season awards besides fed ex cup have money to them? When you look at the PGA is 40 Million a lot of money? I mean 10 Million a week for 48 weeks is an estimated prize pool by events. I assume this is a way some sponsor will take the brunt of the cost. Which sponsor will it be? I am rooting for the America First Caucus (whoops they dont exist anymore). The rich get richer.

  • lfn1992

    My issue with the prize pool is that it’s basically welfare for the top golfers in the world, which already have lucrative endorsement deals outside the PGA. Oh yeah, and Tiger, too.

    If individual events want to chase Q ratings, they can give free passes for Tony Romo and the next People Magazine Sexiest Man Alive to play in their tournaments. Why should the PGA get involved at all in this subjective, easily-gamed system that has nothing to do with golf? The PGA should be in the business of organizing golf tournaments with the best golfers in the world, not the ones with the best Q ratings.

  • noddy

    Hard to make a lineup I like, but it’s golf so I’m playing. Gives me something to follow along with at work Thursday and Friday and hopefully something to sweat on the weekend.

  • timusbr

    The Saudi PGL is said to be the reason for this bonus to prevent guys from endorsing it. Those Saudi’s have money to burn. They give appearance fees already. They banked on the Euro Tour and have helped prop up the Euro Tour thru covid. I think soon at a desert in the middle east, a 6th major will be introduced.

  • timusbr

    Hmmm overlay’s.
    Not to sure at this point but only 2 contests I am in are full. The Happy Meal (THANKS EVERYONE) and a qualifier to $555 ( I am gonna get that ticket this week BIF).

    About all my Gpp’s are 60% full. I was hoping for second generation contests but it is doubtfull right now.

  • lfn1992

    @timusbr said...

    The Saudi PGL is said to be the reason for this bonus to prevent guys from endorsing it. Those Saudi’s have money to burn. They give appearance fees already. They banked on the Euro Tour and have helped prop up the Euro Tour thru covid. I think soon at a desert in the middle east, a 6th major will be introduced.

    The EURO Tour sold their soul to get a piece of that Saudi money, but the parallels I think of the most are in global soccer and Chinese leagues. People fret every few years that the money those leagues have will allow them to buy all the top talent, but in the end only so many athletes without principles (most of them old and near retirement) go there to get a last big payday.

    The way I see it – if near-retirement golfers want to join this irrelevant league, go right ahead, let the PGA run the real tournaments like the Masters, PGA Championship, etc. Why even treat it like a threat when it’s not?

  • BrianVT

    @timusbr said...

    Ive been doing double sorts on everything to get teammates matched up. if you combined the projection of Rahm with Palmer ….isnt that ownership for the team…..Michelle Wei’s golf math in use

    We definitely need Michelle Wie. My brain is telling me that if Rahm is showing 18% and Palmer is showing 6%, adding them together to convert all individual ownerships to team would make the numbers too high.

    If there were 80 teams, we’d need 600% total team ownership.
    If there are 160 golfers, we need 600% ownership individually.

    So, if you join the individuals into pairs and add………hmm, I guess you still get 600%. I guess that does work, but I feel like I’m missing something.

    Sorting works in some cases until you get to the salaries that repeat and then you have to try to remember which ones are actually teammates.

  • BrianVT

    I’m showing Neismith/Seiffert as 12% combined.

    Looks like Hoffman/Watney and Tringale/Castro will be the chalkiest of the sub $9ks at about 18% combined for each.

    Rahm/Palmer and Xander/Cantlay seem to be about tied as the top ownership. Doesn’t move too far from DK salary rankings up top.

  • mitchsnyderdfw

    @BIF said...

    Those projections seem low as only 80 teams and basically 20 of them will have 1% or less ownership so that basically leaves an average ownership of close to 10% for the remaining 60 teams.

    Why is NeSmith/Seiffert so high ? Price at 7.5K is a little low but I doubt they should be over 8K

    It’s gotta be based on LU construction, putting in two of the top pairings leaves you around that range left for the other four

  • mitchsnyderdfw

    @BrianVT said...

    I’m showing Neismith/Seiffert as 12% combined.

    That might be the real number, my site is only showing one of the guys, so if you click both it doubles the ownership.

    I think BIF was right, this week is just for DK to screw with optimizers.

  • timusbr

    @BrianVT said...

    We definitely need Michelle Wie. My brain is telling me that if Rahm is showing 18% and Palmer is showing 6%, adding them together to convert all individual ownerships to team would make the numbers too high.

    If there were 80 teams, we’d need 600% total team ownership.
    If there are 160 golfers, we need 600% ownership individually.

    So, if you join the individuals into pairs and add………hmm, I guess you still get 600%. I guess that does work, but I feel like I’m missing something.

    Sorting works in some cases until you get to the salaries that repeat and then you have to try to remember which ones are actually teammates.

    The first thing I did was make a name for each golfer to replace the Name in DK salaries.
    instead of John Rahm 11500, I got
    Jon Rahm (Ryan Palmer) 11500 for all 160 golfers, the concactinate function was helpful cell&” (”&cell&”)”

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