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  • DirtyDanS4

    Does anyone else remember on fd when 360 took down a gpp and 300 cashed you on 50/50s with no problem? The acquisitions and trades for the year have unleashed craziness. When were there ever so many studs with 60 70 80+ fps scored on the regular? When did mid tier guys dropping 50 become common? Multiple times the winning gpp has been over 400 this year on fd and i cant remember 1 time it cracked 400 last season… maybe close cuz i know i had a 380 something last year but this year over 400 multiple times already. Its like every level of player went up by 10 points… Your value plays used to be sufficient with 6x or 7x now its like you need 9x or 10x on your value plays. Then your low to mid tiers no more 25 to 35 fps, now we need 40 out of those guys, high tier guys hafta be around 50 and the big boys at 55+. I know, guys with huge ceilings they do go off but maybe this year it just so happens they go off on the same night now… You can construct a solid cash lineup with no punts, hit 320 and not min cash, its crazy. I am not complaining I at least min cash on most nights but does anyone else feel there is a new twist on core selection?

  • fathalpert

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    The Harden, Brow, and Westbrook situations are definitely interesting in that their usage is so high every night that fading has become difficult. It has made me resonsider my core selection as I’ve tried multiple nights to go balanced and it hasn’t paid off. I’m curious to see if they can keep it up over a season though. At some point you’d have to think fatigue sets in but maybe we just ride it until there’s data to suggest they are slowing down.

  • Jamescan22

    @fathalpert said...

    The Harden, Brow, and Westbrook situations are definitely interesting in that their usage is so high every night that fading has become difficult. It has made me resonsider my core selection as I’ve tried multiple nights to go balanced and it hasn’t paid off. I’m curious to see if they can keep it up over a season though. At some point you’d have to think fatigue sets in but maybe we just ride it until there’s data to suggest they are slowing down.

    They’re priced where they should be. A 60 burger from those guys does not hurt your balanced lineup

    A dud from one of these guys like harden last night is also devastating

  • CJtheGrump

    Yesterday I quipped that I was done paying 12K for 65s from Westy. I said he should drop a few 80s before I pay up. Well there ya go… I guess I’m paying up for Westy now.

    I did have him on a GPP lineup last night with Oladipo. That was fun to watch.

    302 was OK to min-cash in DK – big tourneys and large single entry double ups anyway.

    My problem is I either don’t get the pricey star right or the rest of my lineup is meh.

  • louisa22

    Yeah I scored around 340 last night on dk while fading the big guys, the highest i’ve ever scored since I started around a month ago, and won like 30 bucks, the scores are so high. Also the guy that won had the exact same lineup 3 times, is that a thing, I’m kinda new to this but do people enter the same lineup multiple times into a gpp in hopes of not only winning first but second and third also.

  • Kloozy

    I am new to DFS this year, and with all my research gathered that I needed 5x to min cash gpps and 6x would put me in the running. I’ve had to readjust that mindset and think 6x gets me above cash line and need more like 8x for a win. Not a tough adjustment since I’m a newb, but definitely seems you’re right, and 5x is out the window now. Maybe it’s also due to a huh % of injuries early in the year, or DK/FD are reacting slower to price changes…?

  • trainedeye

    @louisa22 said...

    Yeah I scored around 340 last night on dk while fading the big guys, the highest i’ve ever scored since I started around a month ago, and won like 30 bucks, the scores are so high. Also the guy that won had the exact same lineup 3 times, is that a thing, I’m kinda new to this but do people enter the same lineup multiple times into a gpp in hopes of not only winning first but second and third also.

    its called a train, and yes they do.

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    @Kloozy said...

    I am new to DFS this year, and with all my research gathered that I needed 5x to min cash gpps and 6x would put me in the running. I’ve had to readjust that mindset and think 6x gets me above cash line and need more like 8x for a win. Not a tough adjustment since I’m a newb, but definitely seems you’re right, and 5x is out the window now. Maybe it’s also due to a huh % of injuries early in the year, or DK/FD are reacting slower to price changes…?

    You’re better off moving from an even multiplier. Multiplier plus a constant gives you a better landscape IMO

  • xxbigkidxx

    @louisa22 said...

    Yeah I scored around 340 last night on dk while fading the big guys, the highest i’ve ever scored since I started around a month ago, and won like 30 bucks, the scores are so high. Also the guy that won had the exact same lineup 3 times, is that a thing, I’m kinda new to this but do people enter the same lineup multiple times into a gpp in hopes of not only winning first but second and third also.

    You know I was curious about the guy who won last night also…he had the same exact lineup 3x funny thing is I couldn’t find him winning any other spots in the payoff lines…is anyone else curious about that or am I just overthinking it. I would love to hear input from guys who follow who wins closely…this is the first time I actually paid attention to the winner cause he took all 3 spots and nothing else as far as I could see.

  • mnstone14

    @xxbigkidxx said...

    You know I was curious about the guy who won last night also…he had the same exact lineup 3x funny thing is I couldn’t find him winning any other spots in the payoff lines…is anyone else curious about that or am I just overthinking it. I would love to hear input from guys who follow who wins closely…this is the first time I actually paid attention to the winner cause he took all 3 spots and nothing else as far as I could see.

    i guess what are you thinking? The obvious answer is he felt good about his lineup and played it three times. not sure whats being implied here, if anything.

  • DirtyDanS4

    @mnstone14 said...

    i guess what are you thinking? The obvious answer is he felt good about his lineup and played it three times. not sure whats being implied here, if anything.

    Whenever i see duplicate lineups from the same exact person up very high on the leaderboard or in 1st place the first thing i think (especially on fd) is that they constructed a lineup they liked, entered it multiple times in the same contest with intentions on awaiting injury/rest news and changing those to have a few different lineups that night however, they forgot or became lazy

  • xxbigkidxx

    I wasn’t implying anything at all…I was just curious when I look at leader boards, the high rollers that win in multiple places usually change one or two players to cover their bases..I guess because the winner took the top three it was the first time I actually noticed the same lineup. I guess because I am a small roller I spread where I think I am weak or have no clue on a certain position.

  • Landa501

    Took 1st place in a $1 single entry on FD with a 364. Better than nothing I guess but should’ve played the lineup heavier.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    Was thinking the same thing last night.
    I remember a few years ago when 4x was pretty much value. It may be selective memory, but I swear there were only a few 50 pt games a week, not a night, with the high end guys exceeding that and popular punts coming close.

    There are other factors – more informed DFS players. Lineup sellers. Optimizers. Prize structures etc. Etc. But a lot of it does seem to be the player performances and then along eight that, salary structure.

    Night’s like last night do seem crazy. I have to remind myself that just because I hit 300 and don’t cash it wasn’t unlucky, I hit 300 because pretty much everyone did last night.

  • walkoff9

    Part of it is better overall play, and more people on the best plays.

    But the biggest part is simply the pace of games these days. Over 200 used to be a healthy total for a game, now theres usually only 1 or 2 games a night under that total. There are just more fantasy points to be had.

  • thekushhammer

    i think there’s more FP total to be had

    as far as multiple same lineups, i used to not get it but on a smaller slate like a late or a turbo, the tournament choices are ehh and I feel like I’ve constructed the best I can construct and I feel good about it cashing, I’ll enter it twice or thrice in case it finishes high but not quite high enough

  • ActionJunkie

    50/50s are much, much, much easier to cash than double-ups. Previous years the BIG/popular cash games were 50/50s and this year nearly all have turned into double-ups which often have a cash line pretty close if not identical to GPPs.

  • chronoxiong

    A solution to this problem would be for FD to jack up the prices for Harden, Westbrook and Unibrow. Plain and simple. Harden should be in the 12k while Westbrook should be in the 13k range. Unibrow is a wildcard due to his fragility. But if they would price them in this range, it will make a lot of us DFS players think twice about rostering them. It will then make GPP winning lineups lower. I think this is the best solution possible. But will FD do it? Or are they afraid that will instead cause DFS players to not play for that night? I have already asked for FD to jack up Westbrook’s price. He should never be below 11k. I want change and something needs to be done.

  • DJBlaazah

    I accidentally end up with multiple of the same lineup sometimes because I use the first lineup I create to quickly enter all the contests I want to be in for the night. Then, I go back and edit them all. Sometimes I run out of time before deadline and have duplicates. Every now and then I get lucky and that particular set of duplicate lineups cashes out for me.

  • Inujv87

    If sites were more strict with pricing then it wouldn’t be as much of an issue. Cause if prices are higher it doesn’t matter how much scoring goes up if the prices climb along with them.

    Sites are just behind on their price adjustments I feel

  • KRD227

    @xxbigkidxx said...

    You know I was curious about the guy who won last night also…he had the same exact lineup 3x funny thing is I couldn’t find him winning any other spots in the payoff lines…is anyone else curious about that or am I just overthinking it. I would love to hear input from guys who follow who wins closely…this is the first time I actually paid attention to the winner cause he took all 3 spots and nothing else as far as I could see.

    My biggest night in dfs, about a year ago, I did the same thing winning the Swat (when it was 80k+ entries) with the same 3 entries and a few other tourneys that night all with the same lineup (my cash game lineup). I had 5 entries in all and just loved that one lineup so I entered it 3 times. I still do it if I really like my lineup a particular night.

  • VinnyTheBeard

    Dude I remember when 300 won tournaments. Stats were also ALL one point each and no player could be priced over $9900. Ahhhhh, the good old days of DFS…. when the $5k GTD was a HUGE tournament.

  • Jcb890

    @VinnyTheBeard said...

    Dude I remember when 300 won tournaments. Stats were also ALL one point each and no player could be priced over $9900. Ahhhhh, the good old days of DFS…. when the $5k GTD was a HUGE tournament.

    There was a lot less information everywhere also, meaning people actually had to do their own research. There used to be an edge gained just by doing solid research and looking into players. Now, that edge seems mostly gone as sites like RotoGrinders spoon-feed statistics to users/subscribers.

  • VinnyTheBeard

    We wanted bigger tournaments and more players. We got it, and it made the game evolve. In that evolution, the edge decreases. Like most things in life, we can’t have our cake and eat it too.

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    @xxbigkidxx said...

    I wasn’t implying anything at all…I was just curious when I look at leader boards, the high rollers that win in multiple places usually change one or two players to cover their bases..I guess because the winner took the top three it was the first time I actually noticed the same lineup. I guess because I am a small roller I spread where I think I am weak or have no clue on a certain position.

    Using the same LU more than once in a GPP is a very bad strategy. The guy who did it either made a mistake or is a bad player- either way, don’t try to learn from what he did, its not good.

  • Jcb890

    @VinnyTheBeard said...

    We wanted bigger tournaments and more players. We got it, and it made the game evolve. In that evolution, the edge decreases. Like most things in life, we can’t have our cake and eat it too.

    Agreed.

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