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  • FoothillsFlash

    It seems that just about every GPP I’ve seen, the winner always has a player in one of the last games of the night. This seems to be the case in both MLB and NBA. I know that if you build a great lineup and you happen to use all players from the earlier games, it shouldn’t matter. But, does anyone purposely take this into account and choose a player from the late games, as kind of their ace in the hole? Just curious.

  • Gathman78

    Great question and one I pose to myself all the time. You rarely see guys leading at the beginning of the night there at the end of the night. I usually have someone closing out the night, but it’s probably more just for peace of mind lol.

  • scsa1998

    its also fun shooting up the leader board with every hit that your guy gets and sucks when you are drawing dead and slowly dropping. Plus for me it seems like late game players are always under owned vs if the game was at 7.

  • Maxkim

    There’s enough late games on most slates that the odds are very high the winner of a GPP will have at least one or 2 players from a late game. Your not getting any performance advantage by picking a player because his game is later than someone else’s. They may be under owned sometimes and be a better play because of that, but their performance isn’t affected.

  • tprokopenko

    NBA often had players from the night games in winning lineups, because the Western Conference teams play the late games, and they were much higher scoring in general.

    In MLB, there is rarely much movement in the night games, as teams like the Padres and Giants are typically low owned. Of course, if someone like Kershaw or Bumgarner is pitching late, that will skew it, but there have been plenty of times where I see very little movement in the standings once the early games are done.

  • BennyRamirez

    I think the timing of starting lineups play a significant role in ownership, too. People tend to make their lineups early and even if they are tweaking up to lock, they have set some biases and tendencies. The earlier lineups are discussed more, the significance of the spots in the order are more thought through, and the like. Never really know where Dodgers or Giants are going to be in the order, never really know which Mariners are playing, no one rosters Angels, people hate rostering from O.co, Petco, the Ravine, AT&T, and Safeco. But things happen in those games the low ownership sends lineup up the ranks faster than the money lines can rise, whereas chalk just raises the money line.

    Earlier, Trumbo hit a HR where I was min-cashing before he hit it in all of my lineups with him. I gained nothing when he hit it. Same went for when Hamels notched his W. When Seager HR’d, I went up a ladder on the pay scale. That was all ownership.

  • Ntucker2

    I think ballparks make difference too not many “hitter parks” out west

  • zline34

    @tprokopenko said...

    NBA often had players from the night games in winning lineups, because the Western Conference teams play the late games, and they were much higher scoring in general.

    In MLB, there is rarely much movement in the night games, as teams like the Padres and Giants are typically low owned. Of course, if someone like Kershaw or Bumgarner is pitching late, that will skew it, but there have been plenty of times where I see very little movement in the standings once the early games are done.

    Not much movement in my opinion. You only notice if you have a lineup near the top and you get passed very late.

  • dakimbell

    Late game players are always under owned compared to the early slates, I think this has to do with people wanting to follow the players in their lineups, and that in MLB the West Coast teams play in pitcher friendly ballparks. It is hard to hold on to the lead in a GPP on a normal slate without one or two west coast players in your lineup.

  • RatedDAL

    Like someone mentioned about the NBA late games being higher scoring.. MLB is almost complete opposite as the most popular stacks often involve AL East Teams, Detroit, the Reds dumpster fire pitching which are all early start times. Don’t think MLB requires late game ownership to take down a top spot.

  • dtrain187

    It makes sense in the NBA, as most of the faster paced teams are in the West (GS/SAC/PHO/HOU/OKC), with later start times. I’m not sure if there is a good specific reason in MLB, unless there is a Coors Field game.

  • ATL_Gunner

    It makes sense from purely a lineup confirmation perspective. There are guys who might be better plays but are bounced around in the lineup like a Trayce Thompson has been at times. Some might not want to roster him only to find out he was the #6 hitter that night, if the lineup comes after (or close to) lock. That can lower ownership, which shoots you up that much higher if he has a big night.

  • msr427

    I agree. I think the affect of game time to ownership percentage ratio is def affected by game start. As for the argument, I think playing later games favors you also in a strategy situation that I won’t discuss.

  • peachfuzz

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    Game times have zero relevance in the NBA. If you build a lineup that hits 400fps using only 7:30pm games, you’re still going to take down a GPP regardless of who plays later at night.

    However, good luck getting to that 400fp mark without using some players from the late starts considering some major superstars, and value are found in west coast games.

  • KillaChap

    It’s hard to trust guys from late games on FanDuel when you can’t adjust for late scratches.

  • tarheel66

    The six GPP’s that I cashed last year and this year I had at least one late night bat or pitcher, no late night help equals almost guaranteed late night collapse.

  • Petrus

    -Some valuable punts may show up in later game in good spots that you would include in your lineup if you should know about them before. But you can’t bring them in cause you had already locked slots at earlier games. Or they may not show up so if you keep free slots for late games punts you can be ruined quite often. Or forced to lose value you could get if you picked up guys from earlier games.
    -If you pick single not yet confirmed guy from later slate you can get to situation where there is no one to nearly match his value at that spot and you have all other slots locked (if you stacked some early games for e.g.).

    Both these things increase risks for your lineup value but if you willing to take that risks for upsides purposes in GPPs you sometimes gets the benefits of low ownership.

  • divusjulius

    • Blogger of the Month

    well, that’s what late swap is for, right?

  • Petrus

    Late swap doesnt help here in spots I illustrate. Cause you have too many players of your lineup stuck in earlier games while late games line ups are not even confirmed.

  • Petrus

    Also I want to add 3d point to my prev post, why reserving slots for late not confirmed lineup games(or skipping earlier games) at DK can work well. It gives you favorable position over the people used earlier games. Let’s say you play h2h and your opponent stacked earliest game in the morning while all games of the slate comes a lot later(it’s often happened at DK). Regardless your opponent results you can late swap your lineup accordingly to his results. If he hits huge you can make your line up more GPP-like to maximize upside cause you obv won’t win with your safety cash lineup anymore. If his stack duds mostly – you can remove all your risky players, take stud pitchers etc, cause you just need to exceed his small value as often as possible.

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