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  • db730

    RotoGrinders Media Director

    • 2016 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    • 2016 DraftKings FBBWC Finalist

    DFS is not only under the microscope, but also the existence of the game is being threatened by many politicians and special interests across a number of states. I think most agree this is a very pivotal time for the future of the industry and I think now is the time we as players let our voice be heard by those people who will be making some of those decisions.

    I want this thread to serve as a spot for players to be able find the names, emails, etc…of many of the people who will be shaping the future of this industry on State by State basis. I’ll try and keep this updated the best I can, so the more people who can give feedback the better. Whether it’s a just a name/email or talking points in a letter….anything is helpful. I’m far from an expert in regards to who exactly we need to reach out to, so those who are more informed please add to the discussion.

    Big shout out to Justin Van Zuiden (STLCardinals84) for getting the ball rolling on Twitter this afternoon.

    FanDuel has also started a Take Action online petition initiative. Please take a second to add your name and show your support.
    https://www.fanduel.com/takeaction

    Illinois

    Attorney General- Lisa Madigan http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/about/email_ag.jsp

    Florida

    Attorney General – Pam Bondi http://myfloridalegal.com/contact.nsf/contact?Open&Section=Attorney_General

    President State Senate Andy Gardiner https://www.flsenate.gov/senators/s13

    House Speaker Steve Crisafulli http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Representatives/details.aspx?MemberId=4448

    Change.org Florida Petition: https://www.change.org/p/pam-bondi-save-daily-fantasy-sports-in-florida-before-it-s-too-late?recruiter=406301188&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

    Pennsylvania

    Governor – Tom Wolf https://www.governor.pa.gov/contact/

    http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/cteeInfo/index.cfm?Code=54&CteeBody=H
    List of the specific members on the gaming oversight committee who will be making the initial votes this Wednesday.

    Update from @LSRDustin: Some advice in PA, you should be writing your state reps or state senators, especially if your rep sits on the gaming committee of either the house or the senate. Probably tough to move the needle with the governor.

    http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/cteeInfo/index.cfm?Code=54&CteeBody=H
    http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/cteeInfo/index.cfm?Code=31&CteeBody=S

    Michigan

    Senator Curtis Hertel – senchertel@senate.michigan.gov http://senatedems.com/hertel/contact/

    Senator Rick Jones is the Chair of the Judiciary Committee SenRJones@senate.michigan.gov

    Washington

    http://app.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=1301&year=2015
    Sponsoring legislators included on the page

    General Search Tool for State Representatives

    http://capwiz.com/nra/home/

  • brahma21

    I’ve submitted a letter to the Florida AGs office, good luck all!

  • ChrisGimino

    • 2015 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    • 2016 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    Governor Wolf,

    The Gaming oversight committee is about to make a big mistake, and I am asking for your support.

    Fantasy sports have been legalized as a function of 2006 UIGEA legislation at the federal level. The UIGEA states that it DOES NOT include participation in any fantasy or simulation sports game or educational game or contest in which (if the contest or game involves a team or teams) no fantasy or simulation sports team is based on the current membership of an actual team that is a member of an ametur or professional sports organization (as those terms are defined in section 3702 of title 28) and that meets the following conditions: (I) All prizes and awards offered to winning participants are established and made known to the participants in advance of the game or contest and their value is not determined by the number of participants or the amount of any fees paid by those participants. (II) All winning outcomes reflect the relative knowledge and skill of the participants and are determined predominantly by accumulated statistical results of the performance of individuals (athletes in the case of sports events) in multiple real-world sporting or other events. (III) No winning outcome is based (as) on the score, pointspread, or any performances of any single real world team or combination of such teams; or (bb) Solely on any single performance of an individual athlete in any single real-world sporting or other event.

    It is my understanding that the committee will vote on legislation this coming Wednesday that supports bringing fantasy sports under the control of our state gaming commission. This would require operators to admit – inaccurately- that Fantasy sports are primarily games of chance (via applying for a gaming license or affiliation with PA casinos).

    Let me assure you, as an avid player of Fantasy sports, that the outcomes are NOT primarily determined by chance. I believe that our oversight committee is reacting to misinformation in the public view, and that much more information is needed for them to make an informed decision on the issue. I encourage you to VETO and help stop any legislation that would attempt to classify Fantasy sports as a game of chance – subject to the oversight of our gaming control board.

    A HUGE portion of our population is engaged in such activity at this very moment. The slippery slope would cause great distress to those who love this pastime. For some who work in the industry it could lead to financial hardship. To make matters worse, our state stands to benefit very little from the proposed changes in the form of tax revenue (You can look to online poker in Nevada and New Jersey as a model for lackluster adoption as it relates to state licensed online gaming ). The only outcome that is likely from this type of legislation is the assured misery of millions within our state, who will lose access to a beloved pastime.

    I thank you for preaching patience within our legislature on this issue, and ask that you oppose any effort to decide on this subject before complete and thorough research on the subject is conducted.

    Best Regards,
    Christopher Gimino
    Fairless Hills, Pa

  • LSRDustin

    Some advice in PA, you should be writing your state reps or state senators, especially if your rep sits on the gaming committee of either the house or the senate. Probably tough to move the needle with the governor.

    http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/cteeInfo/index.cfm?Code=54&CteeBody=H
    http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/cteeInfo/index.cfm?Code=31&CteeBody=S

  • BogeyTMF

    I feel like we’re little kids caught taking a cookie and begging our sister to not tell on us. We sound fucking weak. Draft Kings and FanDuel need to file suit against Nevada and every other state that tries to outlaw this perfectly legal, NOT gambling, game of skill. These are legitimate businesses who are going to be steamrolled by lobbyists and politicians with hands out if they don’t start to get aggressive.

  • PJGuin23

    DFS Tax Guru

    @ajl201 said...

    Hey guys – This is what I put together for PA, where I live. I will be e-mailing this as well as sending a physical letter.

    Governor Wolf –

    I am a Pennsylvania resident and avid fantasy sports player. The state’s House of Representatives is slated to vote on legislation regarding this topic and I hope my voice can be heard.

    From my understanding, the proposed legislation would limit daily fantasy sports games to our state’s casino-run websites. That will not work, much like online poker in New Jersey does not work. There simply aren’t enough players in our state to sustain the game.

    It’s more likely that our state’s fantasy players will go underground a la sports betting. That induces crime, zero regulation and zero tax money for our state.

    Furthermore, the amount of jobs this industry has spawned is in the thousands – if not tens of thousands.

    I certainly believe the industry needs regulation and oversight. I’d encourage our elected officials to push it that way. But again, banning the industry or limiting it to inside the state will not work.

    Thank you,
    Adam Levitan

    Will be repeating this letter to my Reps when I get the chance. ChrisGiminos has good talking points as well.

  • ChrisGimino

    • 2015 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    • 2016 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    Thanks. Gov wolf was first but I agree we have to reach reps as well.

  • slashtc

    I won’t be sending a letter. The industry needs to fix itself before these states give a rats ass about what any of us have to say. They are the problem and by sending these letters, you’re defending the people that created the problem.

    What are THEY doing to fix this? What steps are they taking to work with the states to keep this legal?

  • jcblanco22

    @ajl201 said...

    Hey guys – This is what I put together for PA, where I live. I will be e-mailing this as well as sending a physical letter.

    Governor Wolf –

    I am a Pennsylvania resident and avid fantasy sports player. The state’s House of Representatives is slated to vote on legislation regarding this topic and I hope my voice can be heard.

    From my understanding, the proposed legislation would limit daily fantasy sports games to our state’s casino-run websites. That will not work, much like online poker in New Jersey does not work. There simply aren’t enough players in our state to sustain the game.

    It’s more likely that our state’s fantasy players will go underground a la sports betting. That induces crime, zero regulation and zero tax money for our state.

    Furthermore, the amount of jobs this industry has spawned is in the thousands – if not tens of thousands.

    I certainly believe the industry needs regulation and oversight. I’d encourage our elected officials to push it that way. But again, banning the industry or limiting it to inside the state will not work.

    Thank you,
    Adam Levitan

    Excellent points raised by Adam, as well as the other sample letters in this thread. One of the aspects of these proposed restrictions that I believe completely flies under the radar for most, if not all, of these misinformed politicians is the amount of full-time jobs this industry has spawned and would continue to spawn were it allowed to exist on a wide scale. I can only imagine that going on the hysteria and misinformation of mainstream media coverage, they assume the only ones that would be adversely affected in terms of employment would be those working at the sites themselves. They probably have no idea, and haven’t taken the time to look at, the amount of writers, etc. that work for other sites that would feel a serious domino effect.

  • jcblanco22

    Not to mention, they likely can’t wrap their heads around someone actually making a full-time living, legitimately, off grinding the games. I’m sure given recent coverage, they figure that anyone making enough to sustain themselves exclusively off DFS is doing it in some form of dishonest fashion, so they wouldn’t bat an eye about taking their living away.

  • hambazaza

    RG Blog Program Manager, 2014 RG Party Beer Pong Champion

    • Blogger of the Month

    • Beer Pong Champion

    @intimadator2007 said...

    As a resident in the state of Tennesee I really do not want to upset the apple cart right now, So far as of today we are safe and I hope it stays that way and sending in a letter now just might not be a great way to bring light to DFS at this time. However I will be doing what little I can from Knoxville to do my part in trying to get a message out to those states that have already taking action on banning DFS in there state . DFS is a very small community once you really think about it , Now is the time to come together in our little world and try to stand up to some of the most corrupt people in this country, Our ELECTED officals , Just remember we put them there we can remove them.

    I live in Alabama and while our legislation isn’t aware of DFS (or so it seems) I don’t want to get them to think about it. because i am certain they are crazy with desire to spread morality to everybody involved.

    right now, im debating what to do, but im leaning towards writing the letter

  • bapst32

    • 2017 FanDuel WFBBC Finalist

    Thanks to everyone who posted sample letters and links. I sent a couple emails to PA people.

    I’m disgusted with our politicians. They take no action on gun violence but drop everything when they see low hanging fruit like this. Very disappointed.

  • slashtc

    Why are you not disgusted by the industry’s lack of controls? I understand the hate for politicians, but I don’t understand why they are getting all the blame for this.

  • hbbomaha

    I think there should be a consistent message with all of these. Something like this:

    1. DFS is not gambling
    2. DFS generates tax revenue
    3. DFS creates jobs and livelihoods that also generates tax revenues
    4. DFS is beneficial to states as it reduces illicit gambling
    5. DFS players are open to possible changes for the better if needed. It’s not all or nothing.

  • First

    @ajl201 said...

    I am a Pennsylvania resident and avid fantasy sports player. The state’s House of Representatives is slated to vote on legislation regarding this topic and I hope my voice can be heard.

    From my understanding, the proposed legislation would limit daily fantasy sports games to our state’s casino-run websites. That will not work, much like online poker in New Jersey does not work. There simply aren’t enough players in our state to sustain the game.

    It’s more likely that our state’s fantasy players will go underground a la sports betting. That induces crime, zero regulation and zero tax money for our state.

    Furthermore, the amount of jobs this industry has spawned is in the thousands – if not tens of thousands.

    I certainly believe the industry needs regulation and oversight. I’d encourage our elected officials to push it that way. But again, banning the industry or limiting it to inside the state will not work.

    Thank you,

    I sent a copy of your letter to Rep john payne…If i recall right, he is the chairman on the gaming board.

  • bmiller9718

    @manningloriousbasterds said...

    I’m from CA, but wrote this to the IL AG. Instead of attacking, I suggest pointing out the differences between DFS and gambling:

    “I know, it’s odd that someone from California would be writing in about an issue in Illinois. I felt compelled to write this because I enjoy daily fantasy (DFS), and heard that you may be asked to rule if it constitutes gambling in your state. As this may spread to more states, I just wanted to share my opinion on the matter.

    In my opinion, for something to be gambling one of two factors should be involved. DFS has been compared to sports betting and poker, so let’s use those as examples:

    In sports betting, you get to choose – the team, the horse, etc. But in these cases, you are betting the “house” – and in most cases the house wins. This is why casinos make tons of money – there doesn’t have to be a winner.

    In DFS, you are playing against other players. The “house” in this case takes a flat, small percentage off the top (5-10% I think). They still make money on each contest, but not as much as you might think (and definitely less than casino-level margins). And more importantly, there is always a winner (or winners).

    Let’s turn to poker. Here, like in DFS, you are playing other players instead of the house. But, you don’t get to choose – you have to play the cards you are randomly dealt each hand. This has some skill, but luck plays a huge factor.

    DFS would be like poker if you received random players each game, but you get to pick your players for each contest. There is always an element of luck (as there is with most things in life), but with enough research that factor can be surprisingly small. If poker were like DFS, players would be able to pick the cards in their hand.

    This is one of the reasons seasoned players can make money in the game – they do a ton of research, and in non-tournament formats (where you only have to beat half the field to win) they know how to minimize their risk. I suspect most of the cries to the contrary come from those who put minimal effort into playing and then became upset when they don’t win thousands of dollars right away.

    If a game involves playing against a “house”, or is mostly dependent on random luck to succeed, I fully agree that it’s gambling. DFS doesn’t, however, seem to satisfy either condition. It’s the conclusion I came to a while back, and hopefully one you will come to as well.

    Full disclosure, I consider myself a casual DFS player. I do a few hours of research a week (not full time like the “sharks” do) and try to play lower-stakes tournaments and 50/50’s. While my play-style won’t win 1000’s each week, I do eek out a small profit more weeks than not.

    Thank you for your time.”

    This is a very good argument, and one that I think should be reiterated many times. In these examples, I believe people should be able to see that there is a clear distinction between poker and DFS. The differences are clearly articulated, and also the fact that it is a skill game can be understood based off of this analysis. We should continue to use language such as this, and build off what has been said here. Nice job!

  • 54fighting

    HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) – Legislation to limit daily fantasy sports websites in Pennsylvania to those sponsored by the state’s 12 casinos is slated for a committee vote next week in the state House of Representatives.

    The proposal would shut out major fantasy sports websites such as DraftKings and FanDuel unless they strike a deal with the state-licensed casinos, said Rep. George Dunbar, whose amendment was expected to be considered Wednesday by the House Gaming Oversight Committee.

    “It will still be legal as long as it’s done through our casinos,” the Westmoreland County Republican said. “It will be banned elsewhere.”

    On Thursday, Nevada regulators ordered DraftKings and FanDuel to stop operations unless they get a gambling license. Fantasy sports are also barred in five other states.

    Dunbar said his latest plan would ensure that state regulators scrutinize operations of the now-unregulated companies to protect consumers. It also would benefit the casinos by drawing people to their websites and potentially raise more than $100 million annually in badly needed state revenue, Dunbar said.

    “It isn’t going to solve our budgetary problems,” he said, referring to the partisan stalemate that has left in limbo a state budget that was supposed to have been in place by July 1.

    Dunbar’s original bill, introduced in May, proposed allowing the casinos to host their own fantasy websites, leaving the unregulated websites to continue. But he has changed his approach with the amendment he has written.

    The Pennsylvania attorney general’s office has not received any complaints about fantasy sports, spokeswoman Sadie Martin said Friday. A spokesman for the Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board, Richard McGarvey, declined to comment.

    DraftKings and FanDuel hired a lobbying firm in Pennsylvania in June, according to state lobbyist registration reports.

    The fantasy sports industry insists its games are not gambling, but rather games of skill that are protected by a 2006 federal law that provides a special exemption for such enterprises.

    Attempts to reach officials at both companies by email were unsuccessful Friday.

    Republican legislators in Pennsylvania who have resisted Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf’s proposals for tax increases to close a $2 billion-plus budget deficit have led calls for the state’s third gambling expansion in six years to free up additional cash.

    On Wednesday, the House gaming committee also is expected to vote on several other measures, including Sen. Kim Ward’s bill to allow casinos that are willing to pay a $10 million permit fee to offer Internet gambling to people who are physically in the state while they are playing online.

    The panel’s chairman, Rep. John Payne, R-Dauphin, said fantasy sports and other online games need to be closely regulated to prevent abuses and protect consumers.

    “Because it’s not regulated, I don’t know if anybody has a real good idea of how much revenue is out there,” he said.

  • StevenP

    FantasyHub Site Rep

    For anyone interested. I have started a petition on Change.org to save DFS in Florida. It is address to Pam Bondi, Attorney General of the State of Florida.

    Let’s show support and stop the bleeding!!

    https://www.change.org/p/pam-bondi-save-daily-fantasy-sports-in-florida-before-it-s-too-late?recruiter=406301188&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink

  • MTro86

    RG Writer

    Any NJ residents, I’m more optimistic about the intentions of Pallone and Menendez than I was at first, as it seems they want a legal, regulated playing ground for all, but I still think we have to keep on them and be sure of their intentions so we don’t end up with situation like poker where we can only play against other state residents. I think contacting Sen. Ray Lesniak is also worth a try because he’s been very actively with us on most of these type issues and is very outspoken when he commits to a cause.

  • MikeMineo

    @MTro86 said...

    Any NJ residents, I’m more optimistic about the intentions of Pallone and Menendez than I was at first, as it seems they want a legal, regulated playing ground for all, but I still think we have to keep on them and be sure of their intentions so we don’t end up with situation like poker where we can only play against other state residents

    Agreed.

    Both these guys are in favor of legalized sports betting in general, so I think they’re just using DFS as a way to say “this is legal, so why can’t sports betting be as well?”

    if sports betting was legalized then NJ could really care less about DFS. I’m sure Pallone and Menendez will benefit financially from some sort of DFS regulation, but at least it seems they are more of the “we need to protect consumers and ensure a fair playing field” mindset as opposed to the “gambling is bad for you” mindset of some others.

    Outlawing DFS would be a huge step back in their fights to legalize sports gambling in general within the state. Even Christie is for legal gambling.

    I’ll keep monitoring for sure, but there’s not enough info out there yet for me to be contacting NJ reps, since most just seem to want all forms of gambling to be legalized, regardless of the skill game vs gambling requirement.

    I just hope the solution isn’t some shoddy DFS service offered by a NJ casino that’s limited to residents and imposes a 25% rake lol. i mean, if rake is avg I would still play, but still…

  • croesus

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    We just retweeted your letter, JvZ. Well done.

  • LawnStar

    Was there any particular reason for anyone to send anything to AG Florida? Maybe it’s proactive but are we putting something on her radar that may not have been there?

  • StevenP

    FantasyHub Site Rep

    @lawnstar http://www.legalsportsreport.com/4883/dfs-federal-grand-jury-florida/

  • tnovakow

    post i wrote on the change.org petition. let me know what you think in regards to how we should be approaching the subject.

    This is important to me because I am a player of Daily Fantasy Sports (dfs) and do not want to see this banned. The premise of the attack on DFS is based on whether DFS is Gambilng or a game of skill. Well it is both. Yes we wager money on a sporting contest in hopes of winning money so this makes it gambling. But we also do countless hours of research such as analyzing player performances, employing strategies, injury reports, weather conditions and many more aspects that could effect outcomes for a specific player or game outcome. This makes this a skill game. If a person buys into a contest and just randomly picks players they are playing solely on chance and will not do well just as if I pick a stock by closing my eyes and dropping a finger.

    What I want to avoid is states and governments banning DFS because they want their friends in the casino industry to control this market. Yes there needs to be some regulation but what states are doing now is disallowing there citizens a chance to play while allowing them to visit casinos and play the lottery both of which are not skill based games. These type of establishments take more money and do more harm to families then DFS ever could, but are allowed and even encouraged.

    DFS is not some horrible monster we need to be protected from. Its is a fun leisurely activity that makes watching sports more enjoyable while fostering comradery and friendly competition.

    so please don’t take away another freedom and hobby from me for the sake of a false media exploded opinion or to try and line pockets of special interest groups.

    Thanks for reading.

  • jcblanco22

    @StevenP said...

    For anyone interested. I have started a petition on Change.org to save DFS in Florida. It is address to Pam Bondi, Attorney General of the State of Florida.

    Let’s show support and stop the bleeding!!

    https://www.change.org/p/pam-bondi-save-daily-fantasy-sports-in-florida-before-it-s-too-late?recruiter=406301188&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink

    Thank you, Steven. I have signed and am trying to get the word out to other Florida-based DFS players as well. BTW, as a Florida resident, I was hoping not to hear from you or your site this weekend (given the subject of the e-mails I’ve received from other DFS sites recently), but this communication from you was a welcome one! :)

  • brahma21

    @StevenP said...

    For anyone interested. I have started a petition on Change.org to save DFS in Florida. It is address to Pam Bondi, Attorney General of the State of Florida.

    Let’s show support and stop the bleeding!!

    Thanks for this, just signed it and passed it on to a friend.

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