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  • db730

    RotoGrinders Media Director

    • 2016 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    • 2016 DraftKings FBBWC Finalist

    DFS is not only under the microscope, but also the existence of the game is being threatened by many politicians and special interests across a number of states. I think most agree this is a very pivotal time for the future of the industry and I think now is the time we as players let our voice be heard by those people who will be making some of those decisions.

    I want this thread to serve as a spot for players to be able find the names, emails, etc…of many of the people who will be shaping the future of this industry on State by State basis. I’ll try and keep this updated the best I can, so the more people who can give feedback the better. Whether it’s a just a name/email or talking points in a letter….anything is helpful. I’m far from an expert in regards to who exactly we need to reach out to, so those who are more informed please add to the discussion.

    Big shout out to Justin Van Zuiden (STLCardinals84) for getting the ball rolling on Twitter this afternoon.

    FanDuel has also started a Take Action online petition initiative. Please take a second to add your name and show your support.
    https://www.fanduel.com/takeaction

    Illinois

    Attorney General- Lisa Madigan http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/about/email_ag.jsp

    Florida

    Attorney General – Pam Bondi http://myfloridalegal.com/contact.nsf/contact?Open&Section=Attorney_General

    President State Senate Andy Gardiner https://www.flsenate.gov/senators/s13

    House Speaker Steve Crisafulli http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Representatives/details.aspx?MemberId=4448

    Change.org Florida Petition: https://www.change.org/p/pam-bondi-save-daily-fantasy-sports-in-florida-before-it-s-too-late?recruiter=406301188&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

    Pennsylvania

    Governor – Tom Wolf https://www.governor.pa.gov/contact/

    http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/cteeInfo/index.cfm?Code=54&CteeBody=H
    List of the specific members on the gaming oversight committee who will be making the initial votes this Wednesday.

    Update from @LSRDustin: Some advice in PA, you should be writing your state reps or state senators, especially if your rep sits on the gaming committee of either the house or the senate. Probably tough to move the needle with the governor.

    http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/cteeInfo/index.cfm?Code=54&CteeBody=H
    http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/cteeInfo/index.cfm?Code=31&CteeBody=S

    Michigan

    Senator Curtis Hertel – senchertel@senate.michigan.gov http://senatedems.com/hertel/contact/

    Senator Rick Jones is the Chair of the Judiciary Committee SenRJones@senate.michigan.gov

    Washington

    http://app.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=1301&year=2015
    Sponsoring legislators included on the page

    General Search Tool for State Representatives

    http://capwiz.com/nra/home/

  • LawnStar

    crazy

  • zef204

    Attorney General Madigan,

    Please help us in keeping daily fantasy sports legal in Illinois. I thoroughly enjoy playing and while I have not spent an extreme amount of time and do not look at this as my sole source of income, I have been able to earn money due the the skill and time I am able to invest. With casinos, lottery, video “poker” machines, horse racing all readily available in Illinois, I find it completely out of line to potentially ban daily fantasy sports, which truly is a game of skill as opposed to the aforementioned which are merely chance.

    I have been playing for less than a year, but I fully intend on paying taxes to the state with my 2015 filings. If there is not an effort already, it may be a good course of action for the state to explore working with the daily fantasy sports providers on a fee/tax structure rather than banning their existence. Working with the company’s would likely keep much needed revenue flowing to the state.

    Please don’t engage in a knee jerk reaction to Nevada who has a much larger interest they are protecting, legal sports betting. Please listen to the people. Please keep this legal.

  • jrslick920

    i live in Pennsylvania can anyone link me a form letter to send to call gaming comitee voters, i struggle writing.

  • PJGuin23

    DFS Tax Guru

    @bapst32 said...

    Thanks to everyone who posted sample letters and links. I sent a couple emails to PA people.

    I’m disgusted with our politicians. They take no action on gun violence but drop everything when they see low hanging fruit like this. Very disappointed.

    Worse the clowns can’t pass a budget but want to waste time on this.

  • fightingirish980

    https://www.change.org/p/new-york-state-senate-alabama-state-senate-alaska-state-senate-u-s-senate-arizona-state-senate-arkansas-state-senate-california-state-senate-colorado-state-senate-connecticut-state-senate-legalize-daily-fantasy-sports

  • bbqnut

    For many states, whether or not dfs is a game of skill or chance appears to be irrelevant as to its legality. The fact that players are paying and competing to win money is what in the law’s eyes makes dfs gambling and therefore “illegal”. State and federal law does not seem to be the same. Any way you look at it – this sucks.

  • nvalencia30

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      2014 FAFC Finalist

    • 2015 FAWBC Finalist

    If you live in Colorado, please visit the Colorado-specific thread here:

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/coloradans-unite-898443

    It has all of the details about what’s happening and who to contact.

  • julieduke33

    @zef204 said...

    Attorney General Madigan,

    Please help us in keeping daily fantasy sports legal in Illinois. I thoroughly enjoy playing and while I have not spent an extreme amount of time and do not look at this as my sole source of income, I have been able to earn money due the the skill and time I am able to invest. With casinos, lottery, video “poker” machines, horse racing all readily available in Illinois, I find it completely out of line to potentially ban daily fantasy sports, which truly is a game of skill as opposed to the aforementioned which are merely chance.

    I have been playing for less than a year, but I fully intend on paying taxes to the state with my 2015 filings. If there is not an effort already, it may be a good course of action for the state to explore working with the daily fantasy sports providers on a fee/tax structure rather than banning their existence. Working with the company’s would likely keep much needed revenue flowing to the state.

    Please don’t engage in a knee jerk reaction to Nevada who has a much larger interest they are protecting, legal sports betting. Please listen to the people. Please keep this legal.

    I live in Illinois , nice letter…also in Illinois you can legally gamble on horse racing all over the world on the internet so if one of their points of the illegality of it is being on Internet that makes no sense…

  • smutpeddlers

    Maybe put this in the pinned threads so its always at the top?

    Mention on Podcasts send to othera in the community and build momentum?

    https://www.change.org/p/pam-bondi-save-daily-fantasy-sports-in-florida-before-it-s-too-late?recruiter=406301188&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

  • McJester

    • 2014 RotoGrinders TPOY Champion

    • 718

      RG Overall Ranking

    • 2018 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    Thanks, brother. That’s good stuff. This whole thing is surreal but it is apparently reality so time to step up.

  • Ravenfan

    I worked for a U.S. Senator for 10 years guys. I’ll be perfectly honest. Your emails and mails are read by staff assistants who are responsible for sending you a form letter response that matches your issue as closely as possible. In this case, you are likely to get this letter in response, or a very similar phrasing.

    “Thank you for contacting my office. I value the opinions of my constituents. At this point the issue you have mentioned is not present in a bill on the floor of the U.S. Senate/House, but if it is introduced in the future, I will keep your views in mind.”

    I know you all probably don’t want to see this response, but In the end this is going to be based on an interpretation of the current laws, which is the function of the judiciary department, not one of the legislative department so emailing Senators or Representatives will unfortunately not help.

    At this point, DFS has put their fate in the hands of either the FBI or US Department of Justice. Neither are likely to turn out well for us that have played DFS.

  • MikeMineo

    Ravenfan is 100% spot on, unfortunately. We don’t live in a country where the citizens decide these types of issues, anyway. But I can see how making a personal effort can assure some that they did all they could, so in the worst case scenario there wouldn’t be any regret on top of a hobby/occupation being taken away.

  • PreEmptiveStrike

    I just wrote my State Rep who I personally know and work with in Tennessee.

  • Ravenfan

    If you personally know him PreEmptiveStrike, you would do much better to meet with him personally or call him directly. Again, your letter is likely just going to get a form letter response with him never knowing you tried to contact him.

  • Sakelele

    That general rule is set forth in the California decision In re Allen as follows:
    “The term ‘game of chance’ has an accepted meaning established by numerous adjudications. Although different language is used in some of the cases in defining the term, the definitions are substantially the same. It is the character of the game rather than a particular player’s skill or lack of it that determines whether the game is one of chance or skill. The test is not whether the game contains an element of chance or an element of skill but which of them is the dominating factor in determining the result of the game.”$this->footnoteID(‘2’,’‘,’‘)

    As much as we all Enjoy DFS, there is no doubt that it is, outside of head to heads, a game predominately ruled by chance. I say this as it relates to the above definition. If you think of tourneys, and perform the one entry test, and the result of only that tournament is taken into consideration, chance rules over skill. Sure, in the long run, skill will determine your long term profitability, but unfortunately, it is not the “long term results” that determines its applicabilty to the skill v chance test. Again, in Poker, any one hand is more determined by chance over skill, but long term profitability isn’t.

    Just about any game that has so many applicants involved in wagering based on causal factors that those applicants cannot controll with the skill in question will likely fall into the game of chance category. The question isn’t if DFS should be legal, but gambling across the board should be legal.

    Draftkings and Fanduel will not just disappear, it will become another industry that will move overseas; Im glad US sports are becoming much more popular in other countries, as the revenue threat becomes real if our government doesn’t open its eyes. Sports betting is thriving heavily in every other continent, and to send this one overseas is a pure gift.

  • Sakelele

    Example: https://playon.co/ Not as sophisticated as the ones we are used to, but games are growing overseas. As US sports become more popular, none of this will be an issue, other than determining which country wants the tax revenue.

    Check out the “responsible gaming” link at bottom of this website. How nice it must be to be able to include that on your site without worry of self incrimination

  • Sakelele

    Last Post: In Summary, I think getting into the ears of legislators is meaningful, but more so as to the legality of regulated online sports gambling as a whole. Until that battle is won, all of these legally obscure games can always be challenged and taken away from us.

    If it is a states choice, then let us all move to Wyoming and make it happen. Besides a low population that could be doubled with all DFS’ers moving there, there are no state personal or corporate income taxes.

  • MMichael28

    I’ve sent a letter to the appropriate people in PA, I doubt it will help though. I do have one question though that I can’t seem to find an answer to. I am a PA resident but I work in Ohio could I still play in Ohio considering I spend most of my time here? If anyone could give me an answer to that it would be appreciated, Thanks.

  • jcblanco22

    Thank you Sakele, very interesting to see PlayOn’s website, this could be similar to what a mid-size DFS site might look like if we’re fortunate enough to have it survive in this country with some regulation around it.

  • jrslick920

    I sent letters to all 16 members of the gaming committee in PA. My good friend is friends with the owner of Comcast who lives in Chester County(hour west of Philadelphia). He going to see what Brian Roberts plans are to combat this ludicrous legislation. Any suggestions for Mr Roberts?

  • pomppomp

    I’m in TN so I feel my comments wouldn’t be taken seriously by government officials in other states. For those of you in Illinois, you may want to point out that their state has companies such as CME, CBOE, NADEX, etc. all of which are headquartered in Chicago, IL. These companies allow customers all over America to flat out bet on the outcomes of stock indices, commodities, interest rates, and world currencies. I am a customer of NADEX, and they allow bets that expire in 5 minute increments all day long.

    If people are allowed log on to their favorite device and bet on whether the price of gold, silver, the S&P 500, or the US Dollar vs. the Japanese Yen will finish 20 ticks higher or lower in the next 5 minutes, what’s so wrong about fantasy sports? Either way, at least in states that tax income, those states will be getting a piece of the pie. Let’s face it. People are going to bet illegally on sports either way, but I’d bet less of that activity is going on today because of DFS, and if it’s taken away they’ll likely go back to all illegal. I don’t think your local bookie has ever sent out a 1090, but DFS companies do.

  • PJGuin23

    DFS Tax Guru

    @jrslick920 said...

    I sent letters to all 16 members of the gaming committee in PA. My good friend is friends with the owner of Comcast who lives in Chester County(hour west of Philadelphia). He going to see what Brian Roberts plans are to combat this ludicrous legislation. Any suggestions for Mr Roberts?

    I’m in Philadelphia myself. Emphasize the 3rd party tax reporting that the sites have. The State and the City of Philadelphia are desperate for revenues. Pushing DFS offshore would deny both. Yes, you have to also file a School Income Tax in Philadelphia on DFS winnings.

    BTW, I want my bill reduced or I’m going to FIOS. Good news NBC10 got the word out Friday. Didn’t see any other stations report on it. I think Comcast will fight this. If they want to they can overpower Penn National.

  • loured

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    These spineless Politicians need to be shown that we care, The fact that they are prepared to take a perfectly legal hobby and push it underground so that the criminal element can thrive, while the guys that tried to do every thing legal get screwed is bad business. I am glad to see guys have got the ball rolling,

  • 54fighting

    http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/19356-federal-attack-on-sites-like-fanduel-and-draftkings-threatens-tenth-amendment

  • PJGuin23

    DFS Tax Guru

    DONE! Copied parts of Adam Levitan and Chris Gimino and added some things.

    Representative Nick Kotik,
    I am a Pennsylvania resident and avid fantasy sports player. A Committee you are the Minority Chair of will vote on legislation regarding this topic and I hope my voice can be heard.

    From my understanding, the proposed legislation would limit daily fantasy sports games to our state’s casino-run websites. That will not work, much like online poker in New Jersey does not work. There simply aren’t enough players in our state to sustain the game. Limited intrastate participation would destroy the entire Daily Fantasy Sports industry and there is no way Pennsylvania’s 12 casinos would see any significant profit from this. The national platforms provided by FanDuel, DraftKings, and other sites are what make this industry work. And as a parent with limited time, physically going to a casino would force me to lose participation in this pastime.

    It’s more likely that our state’s fantasy players will go underground via sports betting. That induces crime, zero regulation and zero tax money for our state. FanDuel and DraftKings provide the IRS, State and Local governments (Berkheimer, Philadelphia School Income Tax) with Forms 1099-MISC for winning participants. They provides easy 3rd party tax reporting in a time hiring budgets for Revenue Agents are limited. Offshore gambling sites would not provide this documentation for revenue, which is what would happen if the bill to limit DFS is passed.

    Furthermore, the amount of jobs this industry has spawned is in the thousands – if not tens of thousands.

    I certainly believe the industry needs regulation and oversight. I’d encourage our elected officials to push it that way. I also ask that you oppose any effort to decide on this subject before complete and thorough research on the subject is conducted. But again, banning the industry or limiting it to inside the state will not work.

    Thank you,
    Patrick Guinan
    Philadelphia, PA

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