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  • Fantasy_Savant22

    I have been playing DFS (mostly football and basketball) for a couple of years now, mostly dabbling, but I am really looking forward to the NFL season. I had planned to play “the way the pros play” and by that I mean multi-entry. I figured in order to compete with them I needed to be able to have a significant number of lineups as they do in the contests. But recently I have been seeing a lot of people lashing out at multi-entry even though the caps are often set at 150 lineups. So my question is how do most people play who are in this forum? This is a fun hobby and I want to compete at the highest level possible. So the question is max entry GPPs or not and why? Thanks in advance for your input.

  • WidumBoise

    Don’t max enter until your have a proven track record of sustainable ROI% over a sample size of thousands of unique entires at a specific buy-in level.

    Keep meticulous records.

    Become so organized, IT DISGUSTS PEOPLE. ~Steve Pavlina

  • Njsum1

    Practice max entering in the QA, if you’re successful at it, move up in stakes, if not, find another approach\type of contest or get better.

  • mike42

    Max entries in and of itself does not increase your chances of winning, in fact, it does the opposite. The rake on these tourneys is 15 percent or higher which is far worse than the juice on sports since u only pay that if u lose. so the more u play, the more likely your return will b negative. Usually first place is also a very large percentage of payout. One of the big reasons pros max enter is to use players and combinations that r different than the field. Since the masses use the same players and the masses tend to b asses and on any given Sunday anything can happen, focus on differtiating yourself, picking games/teams that nobody is on so when u r right u limit the entries u have to compete against. U have to have lineups that have a chance to win and if they r similar to most lineups, the odds r against u. How many lineups u do is a matter of preference and bankroll. Advise would b start small, it’s harder than it looks, learning curve is steep at first and the odds r stacked against u.

  • DefinitelyMiami

    Fire off those lottery tickets…. I mean entries

  • makeitra1n

    @DefinitelyMiami said...

    Fire off those lottery tickets…. I mean entries

    Ask czyx,zsavior,ocdobv,etc if they’re lottery tickets

  • DefinitelyMiami

    @makeitra1n said...

    Ask czyx,zsavior,ocdobv,etc if they’re lottery tickets

    Im guessing they have won a big GPP? Thats cool. If you enter enough you will eventually win some $

  • TeamTwerk

    @WidumBoise said...

    Don’t max enter until your have a proven track record of sustainable ROI% over a sample size of thousands of unique entires at a specific buy-in level.

    Keep meticulous records.

    Become so organized, IT DISGUSTS PEOPLE. ~Steve Pavlina

    It seems like in DFS football by the time your sample size gets big enough to be meaningful the games will have changed and your skill level likely will have changed from when the sample began.

  • billholler

    I max enter every tourney I play with the exception of the $27 and $33 entry fee ones. I love when this monthly thread comes up and people think all you have to do is max enter and retire to Hawaii. If it was that easy, the top 1% wouldn’t win 80% of the money. If it was that easy, tens of thousands of DFSers would be all playing against each other and tying every night.

  • noddy

    Maybe everyone won’t be retiring to Hawaii, but it sure is a lot easier max entering then a single bullet. Especially for baseball. Look through any big GPP that’s going on and you’ll see guys stacking every team. People cashing on Pittsburgh last night sure wasn’t because they threw a single bullet and said they are the team to stack tonight. It was because they had many entries and could cover all the lineups in many ways.

  • billholler

    @noddy said...

    Maybe everyone won’t be retiring to Hawaii, but it sure is a lot easier max entering then a single bullet

    Again, anyone that think it’s that easy feel free to try it. Only takes one bad pic or one bad stack to suffer a total loss for the day/night. Same thing I always say, if you have a core of 3 to 5 players (sport is irrelevant) and 1 player has a bad night, all your lineups are screwed and you’re happy to recover any of your money. Happened to me last night in NBA and I was thrilled to only lose 30% of my “investment”.

  • tmarohl

    In NBA I typically enter 15-20 FD lineups, and 2-5 on DK. Baseball usually 1 or 2 because I am not that interested in it. I have max entered small NFL slates with 1 – 2 dollar entry fees, but nothing ever higher.

  • Fantasy_Savant22

    Guys I never said it would be easy. I have been playing for a couple of years now and have had some success. I am interested in trying to take my game to the next level and was wondering how many people chose to do so when trying to compete with some of the other top players who use max entry. I understand that multiple bad lineups will just lead to a quicker loss of your bankroll. Thank you very much for the responses, please keep them coming.

  • billholler

    @Fantasy_Savant22 said...

    I understand that multiple bad lineups will just lead to a quicker loss of your bankroll. Thank you very much for the responses, please keep them coming.

    Well since you asked….I consider my specialties to be Nascar and small slates in NBA or NFL. I will say that this calendar year, I was significantly ahead until 2 weeks ago. Keep in mind that I have no fear of losing but I managed to lose a lot more than I’m comfortable with and only played Nascar and 2 or 3 game NBA slates. In NBA, I seem to keep making one bad pick every friggin day and missed on every single low owned punt. I am by no means a pro but bad nights happen. A few of them in a row and your bankroll is gone. My problem is that when this happens, I don’t have the discipline to not chase my losses. I tend to get away from cash games that help cover GPP losses and chase the big GPP prizes.

  • hcassidy

    @Fantasy_Savant22 said...

    Guys I never said it would be easy. I have been playing for a couple of years now and have had some success. I am interested in trying to take my game to the next level and was wondering how many people chose to do so when trying to compete with some of the other top players who use max entry. I understand that multiple bad lineups will just lead to a quicker loss of your bankroll. Thank you very much for the responses, please keep them coming.

    That is your problem don’t compete or see it as a competition!!! period. Its your BR and use it as seen fit. I started playing FD last year and I will tell you on there its rough, as seen by my profile. I hit here and there but nothing great. DK I have been playing longer and I have made at least 7 withdrawls and try to keep my account scarce.

  • joonyari22

    • Blogger of the Month

    do what your bankroll allows you to do and adjust accordingly to each slate is what my dad taught me

  • Roma315

    I wouldn’t go max entry based off your current stats. Save your money.

  • Fantasy_Savant22

    @Roma315 said...

    I wouldn’t go max entry based off your current stats. Save your money.

    Hi what stats are you referring to?

  • Fantasy_Savant22

    Yeah I know what you mean as far as one bad player selection ruining a great lineup that happens to me a lot as well.

    But I play DFS for fun and like the idea of chasing a big tournament win. If I lose I lose no big deal however I would like to see what it takes to compete with the top guys. I managed to win a 10k first prize in a NBA tourney on DK. I took most of it out but I am thinking about starting NFL with a bankroll of 5-10k and just see what happens. I may lose it all but if I do I want to be using the best strategy possible.

  • ldmariodl28

    • Blogger of the Month

    Personally I don’t think maxing is necessary. I think you can try and build 5-10 solid lineups and that really increases your chances for a profitable night. In the long run you can profit more consistently with less entries while still having the same upside in GPPs. When you max enter, unless your using 1-3 core sets of players a night, all your doing is paying rake.

    For people who think guys are stacking every team and making money it’s not accurate. If they don’t hit a top 10, they lost money that night. With the big GPPs paying less than double for the lowest prize amount it makes it hard most nights.

  • SzymonK

    @ldmariodl28 said...

    Personally I don’t think maxing is necessary. I think you can try and build 5-10 solid lineups and that really increases your chances for a profitable night. In the long run you can profit more consistently with less entries while still having the same upside in GPPs. When you max enter, unless your using 1-3 core sets of players a night, all your doing is paying rake.

    For people who think guys are stacking every team and making money it’s not accurate. If they don’t hit a top 10, they lost money that night. With the big GPPs paying less than double for the lowest prize amount it makes it hard most nights.

    I agree, I usually roll with 10-20 LUs thats enough to at least break even.

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @Fantasy_Savant22 said...

    Guys I never said it would be easy. I have been playing for a couple of years now and have had some success. I am interested in trying to take my game to the next level and was wondering how many people chose to do so when trying to compete with some of the other top players who use max entry. I understand that multiple bad lineups will just lead to a quicker loss of your bankroll. Thank you very much for the responses, please keep them coming.

    For me, every slate is different. I take a lot of factors into account just based on the DraftKings offerings such as guaranteed prize pool, top prize and payout structure. Then I also take into account how I feel about a particular slate. For the NFL, it typically starts with how many QB’s (and subsequent WR/TE combos) do I like/want exposure to. Sometimes I have a tighter core of 3-4 QB’s and other times I have 7-8 GPP QB’s I like.

    Taking everything into account, I usually decide how many entries I want. I never come close to max entering, but on an NFL Sunday I will play anywhere from 5 to 25 lineups usually. Sometimes I really like the structure of the $9 buy-in and will play 15-20 lineups. Sometimes I like the $27 or $33 buyin and will play 5-10 lineups. Sometimes I like the $3-4 contest and will play 25 lineups. I don’t really like to manage much more than that. Think 50 lineups is the most I ever did. But as I said in the beginning, every slate is different and a weigh those factors against how much I am comfortable risking each weekend.

  • Razzle11

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    For me, every slate is different. I take a lot of factors into account just based on the DraftKings offerings such as guaranteed prize pool, top prize and payout structure. Then I also take into account how I feel about a particular slate. For the NFL, it typically starts with how many QB’s (and subsequent WR/TE combos) do I like/want exposure to. Sometimes I have a tighter core of 3-4 QB’s and other times I have 7-8 GPP QB’s I like.

    Taking everything into account, I usually decide how many entries I want. I never max enter, but on an NFL Sunday I will play anywhere from 5 to 25 lineups usually. Sometimes I really like the structure of the $9 buy-in and will play 15-20 lineups. Sometimes I like the $27 or $33 buyin and will play 5-10 lineups. Sometimes I like the $3-4 contest and will play 25 lineups. I don’t really like to manage much more than that. Think 50 lineups is the most I ever did. But as I said in the beginning, every slate is different and a weigh those factors against how much I am comfortable risking each weekend.

    I came to say something very similar to Stew. Each week is a new slate for NFL and I don’t go into it with a set mindset. I let the match-ups and player pool/pricing dictate how I want to attack it.

    There are a number of weeks during the NFL season that I will max enter a GPP, but there are also plenty where I just enter 20 lineups in the main GPP I plan on playing that week.

    I also start out looking at the games I want to target and the QBs that I want to use. Some weeks its 4 QBs, others I can make a GPP case for 10-12, while knowing that 7-8 of them might end up dead money.

    If you max enter a particular GPP, you DO NOT need to top 10 it in order to profit, that is a huge misconception. You do however have to be prepared to have bad weeks, especially if you decide to max enter 150 lineups and base those off of maybe 5 QBs.

    As a former poker player who practiced extremely tight bankroll management, I tend to like to diversify a lot more than the random player, so when I decide to go with 150 entries, its because I want to get exposure to a lot more QB/WR/TE stacks than the average player

  • Razzle11

    I say all the above as somebody who isn’t a “Pro” but has been a profitable DFS player for 3 years. I do not claim to be able to beat all the top pros as that is just insane thinking as I don’t do it full time, I do not use my own projection system in any way.

  • AlexSonty

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    @noddy said...

    Maybe everyone won’t be retiring to Hawaii, but it sure is a lot easier max entering then a single bullet. Especially for baseball. Look through any big GPP that’s going on and you’ll see guys stacking every team. People cashing on Pittsburgh last night sure wasn’t because they threw a single bullet and said they are the team to stack tonight. It was because they had many entries and could cover all the lineups in many ways.

    Anecdotal, but I played three entries, all in the Rally, and had 100% Harrison-Mercer-Cutch-Osuna. Maybe that was bad? I’m nowhere near a serious GPP player, though.

    That said, Harrison-Mercer-Osuna were in my cash lineup. Almost went Cutch-Conforto-Saunders in the OF, but switched to Conforto-Bruce-Reddick in the 11th hour. I was really surprised this wasn’t chalky, given 18 mph winds out to LF against a lefty in the Small Park.

    On the topic, even if I were a deeper GPP player, anything more than ten would baffle me, so I have no intention to push the comfort zone. And I think that is most important to keep in mind. Learning how to script with the Quarter Arcade is one thing. But I would think that sticking to fewer than ten (if not no more than five) is best. Before max entering, I would think that one would have to take a lot of time to really learn to form a core. You can lose a lot of money really fast just stacking every team.

    I’m not sure what makes a great GPP player, but I would think you can learn more about roster construction max-entering the 3- and 5-max GPPs than arbitrarily scripting 50-150.

  • Thanasi

    That’s why fellow sharks are complaining about colluding & combining entries of Papa/Chipotle. Now they are saying it’s unfair they get double the entries but if the amount doesn’t matter than all these Pro’s are what now?

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