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  • whodat2

    When: June 20-23

    Where: Cromwell, CT

    Course: TPC River Highlands | A par 70 playing at 6841 yards

    Last Year’s Winner: Bubba Watson at -17

    Last Year’s Cut: -2

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  • mr_papageorgio

    @mr_papageorgio said...

    Keegan par 5 for the streak!

    And he lays it up into the fairway bunker.

  • superstars92

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    Good for Casey’s confidence he made a birdie. Anytime he gets off to an E start over like the first 5-6 holes with bad approaches shots, I get flashbacks of him imploding earlier this season.

  • superstars92

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    @franksmith494 said...

    That was my point is that I don’t think it’s weighed enough. I don’t have a model, but if i did, i would venture to say i would probably weigh putting stats almost more than any other.

    Ok we agree then! Yea I agree you should weigh SG Putting somewhat. Like you cannot just discount that An is a bad putter and say “it’s unpredictable so he can have a good week this week”

    To be fair, I do have a bunch of bad putters, including Grillo and Keegan in my main cash lineup as well as Niemann as a big GPP play. But I think that has to due with the fact their SG App made up for it, not that I didn’t weigh SG Putting.

  • dangasin

    Putting is kind of less predictable. They are hitting it at the hole from 360 degrees worth of positions. Same goes for around the green too. An approach shot is going to be from like 30 degrees worth of positions.

  • Percsalert

    I’m just here for the Kokrak tilt. Are we thinking Over/Under 76 today?

  • franksmith494

    @superstars92 said...

    Ok we agree then! Yea I agree you should weigh SG Putting somewhat. Like you cannot just discount that An is a bad putter and say “it’s unpredictable so he can have a good week this week”

    To be fair, I do have a bunch of bad putters, including Grillo and Keegan in my main cash lineup as well as Niemann as a big GPP play. But I think that has to due with the fact their SG App made up for it, not that I didn’t weigh SG Putting.

    I have Grillo in my main lineup. I played him mainly because he has won me money in the past, so maybe that’s just me being superstitious. Most of the guys who have the highest strokes gained putting are usually the highest priced guys. That correlation isn’t a coincidence, to me at least.

  • franksmith494

    @Percsalert said...

    I’m just here for the Kokrak tilt. Are we thinking Over/Under 76 today?

    over, by at least 2 shots

  • lfn1992

    @Mikeybaywatch said...

    Keegan. Great putt.

  • franksmith494

    cock rack 3 putts from 20 feet. he’s done.

  • kujo33

    Lost 4 strokes gained putting in 3 holes. The average 30 handicap couldn’t do that.

  • jcotdl

    @dangasin said...

    Putting is kind of less predictable. They are hitting it at the hole from 360 degrees worth of positions. Same goes for around the green too. An approach shot is going to be from like 30 degrees worth of positions.

  • superstars92

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    @dangasin said...

    Putting is kind of less predictable. They are hitting it at the hole from 360 degrees worth of positions. Same goes for around the green too. An approach shot is going to be from like 30 degrees worth of positions.

    Yea for sure I agree with that. That’s why I always still hope Niemann and Grillo “get lucky” and get above their normal putting ability. I think SG APP is by far the greatest indicator of long term success for PGA golfers. Pretty much every single top player in the world has a really high SG APP except Jason Day, but he’s got that elite SG Putting/Scrambling that makes up for it.

  • Mikeybaywatch

    @mr_papageorgio said...

    And he lays it up into the fairway bunker.

    Then bogies the par 5.

  • franksmith494

    @superstars92 said...

    Yea for sure I agree with that. That’s why I always still hope Niemann and Grillo “get lucky” and get above their normal putting ability. I think SG APP is by far the greatest indicator of long term success for PGA golfers. Pretty much every single top player in the world has a really high SG APP except Jason Day, but he’s got that elite SG Putting/Scrambling that makes up for it.

    most, if not all, pro golfers will tell you that’s where the money is made on the course.

  • Jeddy3

    What’s the most SG-Putting lost in a round?

    Because Cockrack is well on his way. -4 through 3!!

  • dangasin

    @superstars92 said...

    Yea for sure I agree with that. That’s why I always still hope Niemann and Grillo “get lucky” and get above their normal putting ability. I think SG APP is by far the greatest indicator of long term success for PGA golfers. Pretty much every single top player in the world has a really high SG APP except Jason Day, but he’s got that elite SG Putting/Scrambling that makes up for it.

    The guy that created SG came to same conclusion. However I wonder what Dk points gained would be. Like SG total might have a players tied, maybe one is a better putter and other better approach. But the better (or luckier) putter could score more points due to draining birdies.

  • smallANDflaccid

    The thing about SG putting vs the other stats is that, as superstars92 said, the band of variance around the avg on putting stats is comically huge in comparison to the other ones.

    It would be insane to totally ignore it – but it is also insane to rely on it in the wrong time frame.

    I’ve seen people get rock hard looking at someone who putted great the previous tournament thinking that outlier performance is just a leading indicator of the player is now a godlike putter. In that short time frame, a random walk will easily have stretches on the high side, even though the underlying (weighted) random process is that the golfer is an ass putter.

    And also there is the difference between the explanation of why someone won a tournament vs what is predictive for that tournament in the future – like right now BB is near the top and it is nearly entirely because he is hitting 6+ SG Putting. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that this course should weigh Putting the most.

    I mean, you have to get it in the hole, so of course it is important – but making sure you are looking at the right thing and making sure it is predictive vs a side effect.

    But absolutely, if someone is long term (5 years) 1+ SG Putting, they are objectively going to more often than not putt better someone who is -1 SG Putting for 5 years (although survivor bias would likely kill that off).

  • BIF

    @timusbr said...

    Bif doesnt have much experience at a full tilt.
    Dewoc, can you give him some pointers, its not looking good for our star league player.

    I’m all good – I’m way underweight Kokrak at 7.5% versus the field’s 20+%

    I love his fit for the course but it is a little too easy which means it can become a putting contest for all the birds and Kokrak doesn’t win a putting contest. He will win at some point but it’ll be at a course where the winner is -7 to -10 and not -15.

  • sneaksox

    Sungjae bomb for back to back birds

  • zeeshan2

    no way coatrack miss the cut right? RIGHT!?

  • Percsalert

    Kokrag had a penalty and a drop right? so it was actually a double at 12? And they aren’t updating or showing him on the next hole maybe he is getting DQd/Qutting??

  • dangasin

    @franksmith494 said...

    most, if not all, pro golfers will tell you that’s where the money is made on the course.

    Yea that is where all the pressure is. 3 foot putt seems easy to us because we don’t have our tour card on the line

  • Pbasniper

    Live look in at Sungjae Im’s last 2 holes….26 foot birdie putt….43 foot birdie putt….basically the anti Kokrak.

  • BIF

    @sneaksox said...

    Sungjae bomb for back to back birds

  • sox9

    @franksmith494 said...

    over, by at least 2 shots

    Another highly-owned melt-down that the experts loved. This week’s Snedeker, although I don’t expect him to make the cut. If you rostered him just move on to next week as you will be 5/6 at best and that is likely not enough to cash this week again.

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