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  • Cbed11

    When: June 15-18

    Where: Erin, Wisconsin

    Yardage: 7,823 yards

    Par: 72

    Cut: Top 60 plus ties

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  • hcassidy

    @timusbr said...

    My only question about this is does stricker hit the ball a mile off the tee? I dont think so, sure fairways and greens. I think everyone and their brothers will be on big hitters.

    yeah I have heard bombers but I also heard the main stat is the 175-100 range as its going to play 7600 yards 72.

  • Cooper08

    • Blogger of the Month

    @BIF said...

    They should give you cash or a different $12 ticket you can use for another regular event Albatross $12 GPP

    BIF, any courses that have similar characteristics to Erin Hills? I am having difficulty finding any. Right now I am seeing most similar in British but not happy with that. Whistling Straights and Chambers Bay is closest I am coming up with in the states but that’s because it’s mostly open.

    Elevated tee boxes
    Wide fairways that roll, and that are not flat
    Slope greens with tight mowed areas around that if you miss you may end up 20-30 yds off
    Open course with no trees

  • BIF

    @Cooper08 said...

    BIF, any courses that have similar characteristics to Erin Hills? I am having difficulty finding any. Right now I am seeing most similar in British but not happy with that. Whistling Straights and Chambers Bay is closest I am coming up with in the states but that’s because it’s mostly open.

    Elevated tee boxes
    Wide fairways that roll, and that are not flat
    Slope greens with tight mowed areas around that if you miss you may end up 20-30 yds off
    Open course with no trees

    Closest ones are all one-off US Open or Open (British) Championship courses not used regularly (only every 5 years or more) so I don’t see much value looking at those stats as a lot of the field never even played in those events.

    Visually I have to agree with Chambers and the Straits but this one will be different with the wider fairways and most of the chipping areas being more pronounced.

    I’m trying to not to look much at those past comparative courses as I really think this US Open is going to play way different in a couple ways:
    1. You’ll see way less chipping out in a sideways or 45 degree angle from the rough because there will be way less balls in the fescue/2nd cut unless wind gets over 20-25mph. I expect a much higher percentage of the field going for greens in regulation instead of laying up from the rough.
    2. I expect more birds and under par Rounds simply because of the 4 par 5’s – it won’t be a birdie/eagle fest as they are still very long holes but with 4 (instead of 2) par fives, you have 2 extra holes where players will hit wedge in for a birdie chance.
    3. I also think these greens will likely allow more one putts to be made than most US Opens, the greens are quick but also very smooth (no Poa) and don’t sound like they’ll be as dried out as past Opens so that’s another reason I think scoring will be good.

    So these things make it tough to compare to even Chambers. Lots of people are saying bombers and I kinda agree but I’m looking at guys in top 25% of Driving Distance AND Accuracy plus 175-200 yd approach proximity as being most important stats along with a sprinkling of scrambling, GIR and some putting stats.

    I think I’ll have a little DJ/Rahm to cover off the bomber angles but will likely end up way more balanced and the first 2 lineups I made (no DJ/Rahm) have left $1500-2000 on the table.

  • Cooper08

    • Blogger of the Month

    Thanks BIF, I also heard that these greens may perhaps be the best they have putted on, including Augusta. They were saying if you get the speed correct it will hold its line. Really going to be looking at the bentgrass guys who can handle fast greens.

    Wind, I think will play more havoc than most think even if it is only 15 mph..with there being no trees it will be harder to distinguish those gusts and how hard it really is blowing.

    I also think players who use visual points to aim at will have a tougher time with the course being open.

  • Cbed11

    I really don’t care for his bitch fits, but I think Spieth sets up well here.

  • BIF

    @Cooper08 said...

    Thanks BIF, I also heard that these greens may perhaps be the best they have putted on, including Augusta. They were saying if you get the speed correct it will hold its line. Really going to be looking at the bentgrass guys who can handle fast greens.

    Wind, I think will play more havoc than most think even if it is only 15 mph..with there being no trees it will be harder to distinguish those gusts and how hard it really is blowing.

    I also think players who use visual points to aim at will have a tougher time with the course being open.

    Agree with you on everything but the wind effect comments – having been a member at a 36 hole facility where one course was more treed and the other more links-like; I would say while the links course was windier it was also much easier to figure where it was blowing and how hard. When you get in between trees, you don’t always feel the wind and it’s hard to tell if it is gusting, swirling and how strong is it blowing above the tree tops. I didn’t always trust the wind on the more treed course as you didn’t always feel it.

    If it is less than 20mph, I’d expect only a very minor impact on scoring and only a slight impact playing conditions where maybe it is drying out greens faster than if it was calm.

    I posted a month or so back about a caddie telling me tour pros are impacted very little on scoring if wind is consistently blowing up to 20mph (they can trust that it is just a 1-2 club wind and keep firing); over that or in gusty conditions is where the trust factor on how the Ball will react starts to falter. Of course this is the Open and half the field is weak or lacks experience in these conditions and the Course should firm up so there will be some impacts at even 10-15 mph but not significant for the top half of the field IMO.

  • DefinitelyMiami

    @WidumBoise said...

    Feels like a Blount week

  • Cooper08

    • Blogger of the Month

    @BIF said...

    Agree with you on everything but the wind effect comments – having been a member at a 36 hole facility where one course was more treed and the other more links-like; I would say while the links course was windier it was also much easier to figure where it was blowing and how hard. When you get in between trees, you don’t always feel the wind and it’s hard to tell if it is gusting, swirling and how strong is it blowing above the tree tops. I didn’t always trust the wind on the more treed course as you didn’t always feel it.

    If it is less than 20mph, I’d expect only a very minor impact on scoring and only a slight impact playing conditions where maybe it is drying out greens faster than if it was calm.

    I posted a month or so back about a caddie telling me tour pros are impacted very little on scoring if wind is consistently blowing up to 20mph (they can trust that it is just a 1-2 club wind and keep firing); over that or in gusty conditions is where the trust factor on how the Ball will react starts to falter. Of course this is the Open and half the field is weak or lacks experience in these conditions and the Course should firm up so there will be some impacts at even 10-15 mph but not significant for the top half of the field IMO.

    Thanks BIF, never thought from that perspective. Watching and playing golf you always look up at the trees to see the movement. That’s why I was thinking would be more difficult because with no trees you really can’t tell how gusty it is at the level the ball will be at during its peak.

  • Quadhole

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  • hautalak

    • x2

      2021 Blogger of the Month

    Since I’m a bit disinterested in the St. Jude right now, Who are some early guys you are liking? I still haven’t looked at pricing but some guys I will probably be heavy on are JT and Leishman. Of course Spieth and DJ too but the others seem a bit under the radar. I could be very wrong there though.

  • Quadhole

    Best thing we can hope for is bad weather… At least for the DFS guys that visit this site. THat will throw off all the casual guys… Gt some kind of stormy blowing weather that completely wipes out the Pm/AM group and allows us to pick thru what is left of the AM / PM.
    That could or would be a huge advantage for all here.. SO, at the very least you cash all of your 5/6

  • DonkeyDFS

    This quote is taken from an Erin Hills course review on GolfAdvisor…

    “Erin Hills is NOT a walking facility but rather a HIKING facility. As a testimonial to hiking, we had our iPhone app on which counted steps, miles and flights (of stairs). We walked close to 9 miles, over 20,000 steps and the equivalent of 30 flights of stairs.”

    That review was from 1 round of golf, imagine doing that for 4 rounds over a weekend! I’m pretty much excluding any golfer over 40, and even the golfers 35+ might be excluded. Guys who are on the heavier side will be excluded too.

    So expect the under 35 crowd, and the under 30 crowd to have the best chance to conquer Erin Hills. Good luck to everyone next weekend!

  • Quadhole

    @DonkeyDFS said...

    This quote is taken from an Erin Hills course review on GolfAdvisor…

    “Erin Hills is NOT a walking facility but rather a HIKING facility. As a testimonial to hiking, we had our iPhone app on which counted steps, miles and flights (of stairs). We walked close to 9 miles, over 20,000 steps and the equivalent of 30 flights of stairs.”

    That review was from 1 round of golf, imagine doing that for 4 rounds over a weekend! I’m pretty much excluding any golfer over 40, and even the golfers 35+ might be excluded. Guys who are on the heavier side will be excluded too.

    So expect the under 35 crowd, and the under 30 crowd to have the best chance to conquer Erin Hills. Good luck to everyone next weekend!

    Does sound important

  • Quadhole

    Looks like DK has the prices all messed up again… Took me all of 5 minutes to make a SICK lineup… Boooooooo… That means me and 26 others will have the same exact lineup… We all get to split 1M down to 50th place… Or 60K a piece.

  • Cbed11

    Tee times are out. Rahm is playing with Rickie again, wonder if he will blow up again at some annoying fans.

  • Frustrated

    I hate the USGA set up with their tricked up bullshit. Looking at the scorecard there are four rows of yardages and apparently the only hole that will stay the same is hole 11 that will be 460 yards. Hole 1 is 608/630/560 hole 2 is 338/361 hole 3 508/476 and on and on then you have hole 15 357/370/288/252 and hole 18 637/675/663/622. Why do the hell do they do this? And they just pick and choose which one they’ll use as the tournament progresses, right? Didn’t Hole 18 at Chambers Bay play as a par 4 at 500+ one day and then a par 5 at 600+ the next day. It’s just nonsense it’s like saying okay Dodger Stadium plays at 395 deep center field but today it’s going to be 350 and in the middle of the game they change it to 425. Just fucking stupid.

  • BIF

    @Cooper08 said...

    Thanks BIF, never thought from that perspective. Watching and playing golf you always look up at the trees to see the movement. That’s why I was thinking would be more difficult because with no trees you really can’t tell how gusty it is at the level the ball will be at during its peak.

    That’s what makes Amen Corner at Augusta especially 12th tee so tough as it is also the lowest spot on the golf course (12th tee is lower than the 10th tee by height of Empire State Building) so not only is wind tough to judge, it is swirling down in the “valley”.

  • BIF

    @Frustrated said...

    I hate the USGA set up with their tricked up bullshit. Looking at the scorecard there are four rows of yardages and apparently the only hole that will stay the same is hole 11 that will be 460 yards. Hole 1 is 608/630/560 hole 2 is 338/361 hole 3 508/476 and on and on then you have hole 15 357/370/288/252 and hole 18 637/675/663/622. Why do the hell do they do this? And they just pick and choose which one they’ll use as the tournament progresses, right? Didn’t Hole 18 at Chambers Bay play as a par 4 at 500+ one day and then a par 5 at 600+ the next day. It’s just nonsense it’s like saying okay Dodger Stadium plays at 395 deep center field but today it’s going to be 350 and in the middle of the game they change it to 425. Just fucking stupid.

    I kind of like it but what they did at Chambers was wrong flipping the Par of 2 holes 1 & 18 alternating then as Par 4/5’s. #18 was designed as a par 5 and the landing area further down the fairway did not play well as a par 4 (we all Spieth bitching about it on Saturday there). Otherwise I like the mix of yardages they play and the players are all aware of it as they release that info before the tourney so they can practice from the diff boxes.

    What I love about golf is no hole plays the same way twice because of conditions and pin placements, etc… so the USGA is just adding to the variety.

    It’s like playing multiple tee boxes at your own course which is more common now with courses adding a combo set of tees to scorecards for players who find the back tees too long but the next set up is a little too short.

    The USGA had to make 15 driveable on the weekend as well for TV – it’ll be a fun hole to watch as the rough just off the fringe is fescue growing sideways – risk/reward. I think 252 might be too short but the 280ish box is perfect.

  • wphill02

    @BIF said...

    I kind of like it but what they did at Chambers was wrong flipping the Par of 2 holes 1 & 18 alternating then as Par 4/5’s. #18 was designed as a par 5 and the landing area further down the fairway did not play well as a par 4 (we all Spieth bitching about it on Saturday there). Otherwise I like the mix of yardages they play and the players are all aware of it as they release that info before the tourney so they can practice from the diff boxes.

    What I love about golf is no hole plays the same way twice because of conditions and pin placements, etc… so the USGA is just adding to the variety.

    It’s like playing multiple tee boxes at your own course which is more common now with courses adding a combo set of tees to scorecards for players who find the back tees too long but the next set up is a little too short.

    The USGA had to make 15 driveable on the weekend as well for TV – it’ll be a fun hole to watch as the rough just off the fringe is fescue growing sideways – risk/reward. I think 252 might be too short but the 280ish box is perfect.

    Also, I think they try to wait for the weekend when fewer players are playing as a drivable par 4 can really hold up play when there’s 150+ guys that have to go through. Much easier with 70-80.

  • wphill02

    I’m glad that FanDuel increased the size of their $4 tournament for the US Open but what are they doing with everything else? I can understand them waiting until today but they should have all their single entries and other tournaments up. I don’t get why they have all these mini tournaments posted. If they put up $20,000 $5 SE and a $10 $30,000 SE I bet they fill easy. They’ll probably just wait until next week and put up the same smaller ones they do every week.

  • skeeter1114

    • Blogger of the Month

    @hcassidy said...

    It only let me enter 1, just seen that. So the rest of them are dead, that really sucks. I played a tournament about 6 weeks(because it had major overlay) ago that won you tickets to the remaining major’s and I entered it twice and both L/U won tickets. Just sent DK an email on that.

    Cassidy

    That contest paid out 3 Albatross tickets, to be used for each of the 3 remaining majors this year. I also won in that contest.

  • BIF

    @skeeter1114 said...

    Cassidy

    That contest paid out 3 Albatross tickets, to be used for each of the 3 remaining majors this year. I also won in that contest.

    His point was that he won 2 sets of Albatross tickets but it is a single entry GPP so he can’t use the 2nd set – DK should make it right and give him different tickets for something else or just pay out cash to him for one set $36.

  • skeeter1114

    • Blogger of the Month

    @BIF said...

    His point was that he won 2 sets of Albatross tickets but it is a single entry GPP so he can’t use the 2nd set – DK should make it right and give him different tickets for something else or just pay out cash to him for one set $36.

    I don’t remember that contest being a multi-entry one. I think it was single entry, and considering it didn’t come close to filling, I can’t imagine DraftKings ran a second one.

    The other similar contest that week was a $1 single entry ticket for every remaining PGA event (though you can use them for any sport now).

  • BIF

    @skeeter1114 said...

    I don’t remember that contest being a multi-entry one. I think it was single entry, and considering it didn’t come close to filling, I can’t imagine DraftKings ran a second one.

    The other similar contest that week was a $1 single entry ticket for every remaining PGA event (though you can use them for any sport now).

    Just going off what his original post said “….I entered it twice and both L/U won tickets.”

  • chrissyfools

    Is there somewhere to look up everyone’s U.S. Open track record?

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