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  • whodat2

    When: March 21-24

    Where: Palm Harbour, FLA

    Course: Innisbrook Copperhead | A par 71 playing at 7340 yards

    Last Year’s Winner: Paul Casey at -10

    Last Year’s Cut: +3

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  • BIF

    @byo34 said...

    I didn’t play DFS golf last year until after the WGC Dell Match play.. is it pretty much useless making lineups before the bracket is released? Not entirely sure how it all works but it seems like it will be fun.. extra days of golf is also fun.

    I would bet some of these guys who just played might not be able to completely rested. Is that ever a thing to look at for an event like this with a Wednesday start?

    I highly recommend to you and others to go back and read last year’s Match Play thread here – go to the PGA Forum page and go back about 5 or so pages

    There is a ton of good strategy discussion as last year was the first time DFS was offered on the Match Play.

    And to answer your question, you can’t really make a lineup until after the draw tomorrow night but you can certainly still pair down your player pool of guys who don’t fit this course or are in bad form (whatever process you use). Maybe we get lucky and you end up with a couple groups where there is only one guy left in your pool making lineup construction easier.

  • mtdurham

    @BrowInLockerRoom said...

    Yeah the early pricing is pretty useless with no bracket out.

    Wow, i HATE that they released the pricing without a bracket out.

    Welcome to chalk city. What a dumb mistake by dk

  • byo34

    @Cooper08 said...

    16 groups of four broken up by world golf rankings.
    1-16 ranked players will be the first player in each group.
    17-32, 33-48, 49-64 will have one player from each in the groups above.
    Last year was determined by ping pong balls.
    So the #1 player could end up with 17,33 and 49.
    Winner of each group advances to Sat am and winners advance to Saturday’s pm
    Four winners from Sat pm play Sun am and two winners play Sun pm along with two losers
    There is a bracket so you will want to make teams based off it.

    Make sure you have one player from each quad that can make final four. Two other players should be able to make to final 8. Many people don’t look at it properly and end up with players from same quad not allowing for a final four.

    #1 rule when making teams, remember that this is individual golf between the top players in the world all of which can beat anyone on any given day. For example DJ would have lost to several players today.

    If MME make sure you play players in Rory, DJ, etc bracket as they will be low owned and can advance giving you big up on field.

    Thank you for the info. Much appreciated.

    Good idea BIF, I will look at that right now. Thanks.

  • BIF

    @kbarnhill7523 said...

    Somehow made a profit even though only 18 of my 32 golfers made the cut.

    Swept double ups with a 5/6.

    Faded DJ (for the reasons stated by BIF) and was double the field on Casey, Kokrak and Im.

    What a strange tournament.

    Good job on Im- I faded and he made me regret it today – I was a little worried about him with accuracy especially if he was in the hunt as he struggled under pressure with that a few weeks ago. I faded based on that and his likely chalky ownership plus if I was going to go chalky in the 7’s then it was Kokrak who I played a lot of.

    Why do you say it was strange ? This course always plays this way and today was extra tough with the wind. To me last week was strange with all the lead changes and 8 diff guys having a share of the lead on Sunday at some point. Today played out like it normally does here

  • Cooper08

    • Blogger of the Month

    @byo34 said...

    I didn’t play DFS golf last year until after the WGC Dell Match play.. is it pretty much useless making lineups before the bracket is released? Not entirely sure how it all works but it seems like it will be fun.. extra days of golf is also fun.

    I would bet some of these guys who just played might not be able to completely rested. Is that ever a thing to look at for an event like this with a Wednesday start?

    Also people tend to just look at matchups and brackets and forget to check how course fits the type of player. In addition weather can be a factor as it tends to be windy in Texas.

  • BIF

    @mtdurham said...

    Wow, i HATE that they released the pricing without a bracket out.

    Welcome to chalk city. What a dumb mistake by dk

    You make some very weird deductions sometimes – how many people actually make a lineup on Sunday (Monday afternoon) and lock it in ?

    50% of the entries don’t come until the last day so it’s not like there are thousands of people locking in DJ and Rory today.

    If anything, this is an edge for the rest of us as anyone who makes a lineup without a bracket is Dead Money as they will have players going against each other and/or overloaded from one of the draw. You should be thanking DK for the rake paying

  • Cooper08

    • Blogger of the Month

    @BIF said...

    I highly recommend to you and others to go back and read last year’s Match Play thread here – go to the PGA Forum page and go back about 5 or so pages

    There is a ton of good strategy discussion as last year was the first time DFS was offered on the Match Play.

    And to answer your question, you can’t really make a lineup until after the draw tomorrow night but you can certainly still pair down your player pool of guys who don’t fit this course or are in bad form (whatever process you use). Maybe we get lucky and you end up with a couple groups where there is only one guy left in your pool making lineup construction easier.

    Can you link Ly thread. Can’t find it. Thanks

  • Jeddy3

    Yeah, not seeing it either.

  • Cooper08

    • Blogger of the Month

    @BIF said...

    I highly recommend to you and others to go back and read last year’s Match Play thread here – go to the PGA Forum page and go back about 5 or so pages

    There is a ton of good strategy discussion as last year was the first time DFS was offered on the Match Play.

    And to answer your question, you can’t really make a lineup until after the draw tomorrow night but you can certainly still pair down your player pool of guys who don’t fit this course or are in bad form (whatever process you use). Maybe we get lucky and you end up with a couple groups where there is only one guy left in your pool making lineup construction easier.

    Check your box….

  • BIF

    @Cooper08 said...

    Can you link Ly thread. Can’t find it. Thanks

    It was only a couple pages back as someone posted in it 7months ago

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/dell-technologies-match-play-pga-2441978

  • BIF

    @Cooper08 said...

    Check your box….

    Got it thanks – chat this week more once we have a bracket

  • Cooper08

    • Blogger of the Month

    @BIF said...

    It was only a couple pages back as someone posted in it 7months ago

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/dell-technologies-match-play-pga-2441978

    👍

  • timusbr

    look for punta cana if no WGC matchplay

    you can make silly posts by not refreshing :)

  • timusbr

    60 minutes flat out stated the growth in legal sports gambling is fueled by the young doing well better who is smarter and more prepared then the average gambler.

    this took me by surprise but I guess I see a few of you here.

  • mtdurham

    @BIF said...

    You make some very weird deductions sometimes – how many people actually make a lineup on Sunday (Monday afternoon) and lock it in ?

    50% of the entries don’t come until the last day so it’s not like there are thousands of people locking in DJ and Rory today.

    If anything, this is an edge for the rest of us as anyone who makes a lineup without a bracket is Dead Money as they will have players going against each other and/or overloaded from one of the draw. You should be thanking DK for the rake paying

    Uh… Missed my point entirely..

    The early pricing is guaranteed to be soft bc its not based on brackets.

    Which will create underlying value and therefore chalky builds

    Think about it this way.

    Duke may be worth $11k and Kentucky might be worth $10k… but if they are matched up to meet in the 2nd round neither are ant longer.

    Likewise kodaira might be only worth $6k if matched vs DJ but $7k if matched vs spieth

  • BIF

    @mtdurham said...

    Uh… Missed my point entirely..

    The early pricing is guaranteed to be soft bc its not based on brackets.

    Which will create underlying value and therefore chalky builds

    Think about it this way.

    Duke may be worth $11k and Kentucky might be worth $10k… but if they are matched up to meet in the 2nd round neither are ant longer.

    Likewise kodaira might be only worth $6k if matched vs DJ but $7k if matched vs spieth

    You might want to learn a bit about the tournament format before speaking as guys are drawn into groups of 4 and play a round robin Wed-Fri of 3 H2H matchups to determine who moves on. Each group consists of an A, B, C & D player based on their world rank (1-16, 17-32, 33-48, 49-64) so the pricing already incorporates the format based on each player’s world ranking so Duke’s not playing Kentucky until the weekend. The format is set up such that the Top 8 in the world could actually be the 8 players teeing it up on Saturday afternoon (will never happen) but that is the format.

  • eruthruff

    If a top-16 guys get lucky vs. unlucky with the other 3-guys in the group, it could make a big difference in value that DK hasn’t accounted for. The OWGR rankings don’t reflect current form very well, or even long-term form. For example, I’d much rather face Noren, Kiradech, and Tom Lewis than Matsuyama, Howell, and Furyk. There are bound to be some strong groups and weak groups.

    But, whatever.

    As I recall from last year, the key variable is how many final-4 guys you have because the extra rounds (7 rounds vs. only 3 for those not advancing from their group) overwhelm other factors.

  • BIF

    @eruthruff said...

    If a top-16 guys get lucky vs. unlucky with the other 3-guys in the group, it could make a big difference in value that DK hasn’t accounted for. The OWGR rankings don’t reflect current form very well, or even long-term form. For example, I’d much rather face Noren, Kiradech, and Tom Lewis than Matsuyama, Howell, and Furyk. There are bound to be some strong groups and weak groups.

    But, whatever.

    As I recall from last year, the key variable is how many final-4 guys you have because the extra rounds (7 rounds vs. only 3 for those not advancing from their group) overwhelm other factors.

    I get your point but the draw doesn’t mean near as much as you think as many Top seeds don’t advance out of group play – Rory and DJ had fairly easy groups last year and got beat up against weaker players. The opponent is only half of the equation in match play, you still need to play well too. Also in a one-round match, the top players in the world are only going to be the 64th ranked player 63/100 times but they’ll be priced (odds wise) like it happens 75-80 times in 100.

  • hautalak

    I’m ready for the bracket and a new thread!

    I just went through the forum from last year and am about to read Coop’s blog from last year (https://rotogrinders.com/blog-posts/coop-s-wgc-match-play-preview-2439009). Anybody see an updated “match play” record sheet? I still see last years’ but would like for after the Ryder Cup. I guess if I do that it just bumps up EUROs lol. I saw some of my “comments” from last year and will do a few more “random/feel” brackets than using numbers I think.

    I think my number #1 question right now will be what to do with Fat Pat. Close behind that is what “stud” will falter first round?!

  • bigez952

    @BIF said...

    I get your point but the draw doesn’t mean near as much as you think as many Top seeds don’t advance out of group play – Rory and DJ had fairly easy groups last year and got beat up against weaker players. The opponent is only half of the equation in match play, you still need to play well too. Also in a one-round match, the top players in the world are only going to be the 64th ranked player 63/100 times but they’ll be priced (odds wise) like it happens 75-80 times in 100.

    I 100% agree with this. I remember last year DJ had what appeared to be the easiest group in the history of time and should have been a lock to go 3-0 and advance but he played like crap and got beat up.

  • manoffewwords

    If I remember correctly, we were all surprised at how many pts.were available by dominating (nascar wise) an opponent. Advancing is huge but smashing an opponent is also. 3 pts. each hole won vs, only .75 for halving. You could win a match by halving every hole and win last hole and get less than 20 pts. If you won a match by say 6 & 5, could be around 35 pts.So picking golfers who can go low is also beneficial..Europeans love matchplay. Also good wind players.

  • manoffewwords

    Unveiling of brackets on Golf Channel at 4 PM Central. This is better than going thru 2 hour show at nite, like last year.

  • BIF

    @manoffewwords said...

    If I remember correctly, we were all surprised at how many pts.were available by dominating (nascar wise) an opponent. Advancing is huge but smashing an opponent is also. 3 pts. each hole won vs, only .75 for halving. You could win a match by halving every hole and win last hole and get less than 20 pts. If you won a match by say 6 & 5, could be around 35 pts.So picking golfers who can go low is also beneficial..Europeans love matchplay. Also good wind players.

    Yah winning team in big GPP had like 778 points so way diff scoring system than a 450-550 pt normal scoring weekly GPP

  • BIF

    @manoffewwords said...

    Unveiling of brackets on Golf Channel at 4 PM Central. This is better than going thru 2 hour show at nite, like last year.

    Yah it’s a 1 hour show followed a 1hr Golf Central so we still get 2 hours but at least it’s done after an hour then we get analysis.

  • kbarnhill7523

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    @BIF said...

    Why do you say it was strange ? This course always plays this way and today was extra tough with the wind. To me last week was strange with all the lead changes and 8 diff guys having a share of the lead on Sunday at some point. Today played out like it normally does here

    It was strange because I thought I was at a total loss after having almost half my pool miss the cut! Definitely happy to be wrong.

    Added H2Hs this week and that was part of the help. Normally just play double ups.

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