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  • Matthew

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    As always, if you’ve yet to join and receive your free $30 Bankroll Builder entries, make sure you do so through this link!

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    Victiv MLB Announcement

    We’re extremely excited to announce our new daily fatnasy baseball roster setup and scoring.

    We know there will be some that like our decisions, others that disapprove, but ultimately, our goal is to continue to lead the evolution of the market through product and game enhancements. We strongly believe in the direct and ancillary benefits of this setup, and as we’ve done before, have provided extensive analytics behind our decisions.

    Victiv’s Unique MLB Lineup

    P – Pitching Staff

    Instead of selecting a single pitcher, you’ll choose an entire pitching staff. No matter who throws for your team, you’ll be scoring points throughout the entire night.

    IF – Infield
    IF – Infield
    IF – Infield
    IF – Infield
    OF – Outfield
    OF – Outfield
    OF – Outfield

    Choose 4 infielders from any combination of 1st Base, 2nd Base, 3rd Base, Short Stop, and Catcher.

    Choose 3 outfielders from any combination of Left Fielder, Center Fielder, and Right Fielder.

    You may only roster a maximum of four batters from any one team.

    PH – Pinch Hitter

    Draft a Pinch Hitter from any remaining infielder or outfielder. The Pinch Hitter position will count against your salary cap, but will not count towards your score unless they earn more fantasy points than another batter on your lineup.

    To learn more visit: https://www.victiv.com/daily-fantasy-baseball

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    https://www.victiv.com/daily-fantasy-baseball

    MLB Scoring

    Batters Scoring

    RBI / Run Scored +1 pts.
    Base Hit / Walk / HBP +1.25 pts.
    Double +2 pts.
    Triple +3 pts.
    Home Run +5 pts.
    Stolen Base +1 pts.
    Caught Stealing -1 pts.

    Pitchers Scoring

    Innings Pitched +2.25 pts.
    Strikeout +0.40 pts.
    Earned runs -2 pts.
    Hit or hit equivalent -0.25 pts.
    Shutout +1 pts.
    No Hitter +2 pts.
    Complete Game +2 pts
    Perfect Game +5 pts.


    https://www.victiv.com/daily-fantasy-baseball

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    @TheSanction’s Analytics Explination

    For an in-depth analytic review, please see here: https://www.victiv.com/daily-fantasy-baseball-the-making-of-victivs-mlb-product/

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    https://www.victiv.com/daily-fantasy-baseball-the-making-of-victivs-mlb-product/

  • y2mulder

    TEAM Pitching? Yeah, goodbye status quo!! Save further comment until I digest it all.

  • small1dawg

    Team pitching? Don’t get that move but like the flexibility at other positions

  • pootnami

    Team pitching!! Holy shitballs! Didn’t see that coming.

  • Drew52786

    With the team pitching scoring cant a pitching staff gets inflated stats from an extra inning game?

  • stevietpfl

    Morning Grind co-host, Lead NASCAR Analyst

    • 2015 FanDuel MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    • 2015 FAWBC Finalist

    P – Pitching Staff
    Instead of selecting a single pitcher, you’ll choose an entire pitching staff. No matter who throws for your team, you’ll be scoring points throughout the entire night.

    This might be the worse thing I’ve ever seen.

  • pootnami

    Love the pinch hitter concept.

  • qatman

    On first glance:

    Things I like:

    - team pitcher

    - using pitcher runs rather than er

    - sb devalued and sb=-cs

    - runs/rbi devalued slightly – would have preferred even more so (say 0.5 in your system)

    Things I don’t like:

    - pitcher k undervalued slightly but I guess not too bad

    - pitcher bonuses – really? Shutout I can see since it applies to the whole team, but cg/no-hitter/perfect game is contrary to using the whole pitching staff, and contrary to the lack of bonuses in other sports. Obviously this will be somewhat rare but it doesn’t seem in keeping with your general philosophy.

    Neutral:

    - limit of 4 batters per team

    - roster construction including pinch hitter

    I do look forward to trying it out and am glad that you have a different approach to try out.

  • pootnami

    @stevietpfl said...

    P – Pitching Staff
    Instead of selecting a single pitcher, you’ll choose an entire pitching staff. No matter who throws for your team, you’ll be scoring points throughout the entire night.

    This might be the worse thing I’ve ever seen.

    Haha Stevie!!! This coming from the guy who said the same thing about their nba sub idea!

  • theblur

    Matthew, I must be missing something here….

    Why would points be given to a pitching staff for innings pitched??? Everyone will be 9 innings unless the home team wins and the visitors don’t pitch the 9th. The whole point to awarding points for IP is to reward starters who pitch deep into games right?

  • y2mulder

    So, its every run allowed vs. Earned runs? That cant be right.

    (Edit: After digging deeper, it’s ER)

  • MTro86

    RG Writer

    The funny thing is that I’ve advocated that if sites are going to give out a decent amount of points for pitcher W’s, I would like to use the entire staff for that night. So it’s funny that the one site that could most justify using the W now because the bullpen counts, doesn’t even use it.

  • theblur

    I suppose actually it could be like goving an NFL D 10 points to start

  • carney259

    • 162

      RG Overall Ranking

    What is the point of giving points per innings pitched if you get the whole pitching staff? Wont a staff always have 9 IP, except in the case of a road loser with 8 IP, or an extra inning game? Seems to award points for an entirely non merit based event in the case of extra inning games.

  • stevietpfl

    Morning Grind co-host, Lead NASCAR Analyst

    • 2015 FanDuel MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    • 2015 FAWBC Finalist

    @pootnami said...

    Haha Stevie!!! This coming from the guy who said the same thing about their nba sub idea!

    Just has a lot of flaws.

    Strikeouts under valued, No real chance to go negative unless you give up a lot of runs, no wins but bonuses, extra inning games will boost pitchers stats.

    A lot of guessing instead of nailing the right pitchers.

  • qatman

    @theblur said...

    Matthew, I must be missing something here….

    Why would points be given to a pitching staff for innings pitched??? Everyone will be 9 innings unless the home team wins and the visitors don’t pitch the 9th. The whole point to awarding points for IP is to reward starters who pitch deep into games right?

    In extra innings the pitching staff has the potential to accrue negative points (and small positives with strikeouts), so it makes sense to allow accruing positive points via innings pitched. My initial reaction was the same as yours.

  • y2mulder

    @stevietpfl said...

    Just has a lot of flaws.

    Strikeouts under valued, No real chance to go negative unless you give up a lot of runs, no wins but bonuses, extra inning games will boost pitchers stats.

    A lot of guessing instead of nailing the right pitchers.

    2.25 per IP, but -2 for an earned run easily buries you in a 3 run inning, with a few hits.

  • jimmyrad

    K’s and SB’s are almost obsolete and that’s the least controversial thing I see. (;

    Not sure what I think about team pitching yet, but you can bet your ass there’s edge to be found there. Kudos for thinking way outside the box.

  • elctrceye

    • Blogger of the Month

    Pick the 18 inning game, and you win all da monies

  • stevietpfl

    Morning Grind co-host, Lead NASCAR Analyst

    • 2015 FanDuel MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    • 2015 FAWBC Finalist

    @y2mulder said...

    2.25 per IP, but -2 for an earned run easily buries you in a 3 run inning, with a few hits.

    9 innings = 20.25

    10 earned runs = -20

  • qatman

    By the way, just about all of the questions posted here are addressed in the original post link https://www.victiv.com/daily-fantasy-baseball-the-making-of-victivs-mlb-product/. I don’t agree with all of the points but at least the rationale is explained.

    The more I think about it, the more I like it. It’s definitely more saber-friendly than anything else out there.

  • huitcinq

    Team pitching is brilliant. Well done.

  • everettcase

    Love the roster setup and love the hitter scoring but I’m also a little confused by the combination of Pitching Staff + IP points. Also echo qatman that strikeouts seem a little too undervalued (why not 0.5? and yes, I read the full breakdown that explains why they chose 0.4; I’m not disagreeing with the data, I’m disagreeing with the decision made based off the data); but probably not by too significant an amount. It just seems like it’ll come down more to finding bad hitting than good pitching.

    I was initially very apprehensive about Victiv’s NHL Goalie scoring but have come to feel more comfortable with it, so I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt on Pitching Staff scoring here too, but that was the one thing that I’m not initially pleased with in what looks to be overall a pretty fantastic product.

    Looking forward to giving it a try this season!

  • huitcinq

    lol we get it stevie you don’t like change

    why would you bother playing on Victiv if it was the same as the other sites anyways

  • biggiesmails72

    @qatman said...

    - pitcher bonuses – really? Shutout I can see since it applies to the whole team, but cg/no-hitter/perfect game is contrary to using the whole pitching staff, and contrary to the lack of bonuses in other sports. Obviously this will be somewhat rare but it doesn’t seem in keeping with your general philosophy.

    I agree with this^^ Hate bonuses but it doesnt look like its anything crazy, +1 for a shutout shouldnt change much I wouldnt think

    But that complete game/shutout does look odd since you are picking a ‘team’ instead of an individual. Im definitely excited to give this a try

    Question for @Matthew :

    How will team pitching be priced? Based on a season long cumulative or is it still depending on who is starting that day? Example. LAD with Kershaw = 20k and LAD with McCarthy = 15k

  • huitcinq

    @qatman said...

    The more I think about it, the more I like it. It’s definitely more saber-friendly than anything else out there.

    Yup, initial reaction is typical rotogrinders stuff, like when people were angry about the Masters Millionaire Maker for some reason.

    It’s incredibly good for DFS to see a site with legitimate capital backing trying things outside the box.

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