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  • Matthew

    StarsDraft Rep

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    Victiv MLB Announcement

    We’re extremely excited to announce our new daily fatnasy baseball roster setup and scoring.

    We know there will be some that like our decisions, others that disapprove, but ultimately, our goal is to continue to lead the evolution of the market through product and game enhancements. We strongly believe in the direct and ancillary benefits of this setup, and as we’ve done before, have provided extensive analytics behind our decisions.

    Victiv’s Unique MLB Lineup

    P – Pitching Staff

    Instead of selecting a single pitcher, you’ll choose an entire pitching staff. No matter who throws for your team, you’ll be scoring points throughout the entire night.

    IF – Infield
    IF – Infield
    IF – Infield
    IF – Infield
    OF – Outfield
    OF – Outfield
    OF – Outfield

    Choose 4 infielders from any combination of 1st Base, 2nd Base, 3rd Base, Short Stop, and Catcher.

    Choose 3 outfielders from any combination of Left Fielder, Center Fielder, and Right Fielder.

    You may only roster a maximum of four batters from any one team.

    PH – Pinch Hitter

    Draft a Pinch Hitter from any remaining infielder or outfielder. The Pinch Hitter position will count against your salary cap, but will not count towards your score unless they earn more fantasy points than another batter on your lineup.

    To learn more visit: https://www.victiv.com/daily-fantasy-baseball

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    https://www.victiv.com/daily-fantasy-baseball

    MLB Scoring

    Batters Scoring

    RBI / Run Scored +1 pts.
    Base Hit / Walk / HBP +1.25 pts.
    Double +2 pts.
    Triple +3 pts.
    Home Run +5 pts.
    Stolen Base +1 pts.
    Caught Stealing -1 pts.

    Pitchers Scoring

    Innings Pitched +2.25 pts.
    Strikeout +0.40 pts.
    Earned runs -2 pts.
    Hit or hit equivalent -0.25 pts.
    Shutout +1 pts.
    No Hitter +2 pts.
    Complete Game +2 pts
    Perfect Game +5 pts.


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  • y2mulder

    The 8/1 Hit vs ER ratio means you can survive a ton of hits/walks if they dont get home. The extra .25 for a single/walk is notable too. SB artists are almost not worth the trouble getting 1, but the -1 for getting caught.

    And of course, love the no stacking and the pool of IF/OF. This will wipe out a ton of overlap.

    8/10 upon first blush. So when do games get posted??

  • Matthew

    StarsDraft Rep

    Regarding the points for Innings Pitched, this was very much the reason around our announcement delay. There was a lot of conversation internally due to initial reactions and reasonings that have been replicated here.

    Ultimately, we’re looking to award the pitching staff for something not happening (scoring). The most simplistic way of doing that was treating it like we do our NFL Defense — you start with points and then lose them / gain additional for certain actions occurring.

  • huitcinq

    @biggiesmails72 said...

    I agree with this^^ Hate bonuses but it doesnt look like its anything crazy, +1 for a shutout shouldnt change much I wouldnt think

    But that complete game/shutout does look odd since you are picking a ‘team’ instead of an individual. Im definitely excited to give this a try

    Even if it’s team pitching, pricing will still be heavily based on the starter.

    This way there is still an incentive to chase aces like Clayton Kershaw, or should I say the Dodgers.

  • Matthew

    StarsDraft Rep

    @biggiesmails72 said...

    How will team pitching be priced? Based on a season long cumulative or is it still depending on who is starting that day? Example. LAD with Kershaw = 20k and LAD with McCarthy = 15k

    It will be done based on the projected starting pitcher + bullpen. Here’s a screen capture of what the “P” tab will look like when drafting…

    **Note: All numbers are just for example.

  • y2mulder

    @Matthew said...

    It will be done based on the projected starting pitcher + bullpen. Here’s a screen capture of what the “P” tab will look like when drafting…

    Thats pretty snappy.

  • britdevine

    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    Upon further inspection..it makes little sense to give points for IP, love the idea of team pitching though. Getting rewarded so heavily on a 3-3 16 inning games seems quite unreasonable. I just don’t see a reason to to have them, you are only rewarding an extra inning game by having IP as a statistic, and slightly hurting an away team that losing at the end of the top of the ninth as their staff wont be pitching.

    I would add a win and save bonus, get rid of IP, and up K’s slightly

  • coninefan

    At first glance, I don’t like the team IP scoring. It adds a big reward for extra inning games that are pretty much unpredictable. There should be a cap of some sort.

  • hambazaza

    RG Blog Program Manager, 2014 RG Party Beer Pong Champion

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    so basically, the angels pitching from this game will end up with 16.85 points

    while the rays team from this game will end up with 20.45 points? hardly a distinction then.

    especially since the losing teams from both games ended up with 21.4 (Royals) and 11.2 (Mets)

    if i’m doing the math correct I think thats a fair assessment… it sucks that the team that loses the close game in 9 innings 1-0 ends up with more fantasy points than the team that wins the game, but the team that was involved in the 11 inning matchup ends up way worse than all others.

  • y2mulder

    Honestly, the Extra Inning IP could really create some crazy night sweats where a 16 inning game runs a junk lineup into money, but no one is going to lose major money on it until the site grows. Let them tinker. It’s good for the industry.

  • Redskins4

    Lol at @StevieTPFL, same guy who thought the sub was a terrible idea for basketball is now bashing the MLB setup? Big surprise

  • Matthew

    StarsDraft Rep

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  • ldmariodl28

    • Blogger of the Month

    I like it except I would think it’s always a better strategy to take the home team

  • huitcinq

    @ldmariodl28 said...

    I like it except I would think it’s always a better strategy to take the home team

    I’m sure their pricing will take into account such an easily discernable probability of more innings pitched for home vs away

  • ldmariodl28

    • Blogger of the Month

    I think there is an edge to be had here for someone who will make this their home mlb site

  • topspinner

    Like the team pitching, don’t like the high reward for Innings pitched. Too much of an advantage to teams that go into extra innings. Also, since it is a team thing, really think the winning team should get points. To me it seems like bring more of a luck factor….will need to figure out which low scoring games will be more likely to go to extra innings, which I don’t think should be part of the dfs skill pacakge.

    Love the pinch hitter concept.

  • bripc23

    2013 PFBC Finalist

    @britdevine said...

    Upon further inspection..it makes little sense to give points for IP, love the idea of team pitching though. Getting rewarded so heavily on a 3-3 16 inning games seems quite unreasonable. I just don’t see a reason to to have them, you are only rewarding an extra inning game by having IP as a statistic, and slightly hurting an away team that losing at the end of the top of the ninth as their staff wont be pitching.

    This

  • bripc23

    2013 PFBC Finalist

    @Matthew said...

    Regarding the points for Innings Pitched, this was very much the reason around our announcement delay. There was a lot of conversation internally due to initial reactions and reasonings that have been replicated here.

    Ultimately, we’re looking to award the pitching staff for something not happening (scoring). The most simplistic way of doing that was treating it like we do our NFL Defense — you start with points and then lose them / gain additional for certain actions occurring.

    But there will be no losing and gaining points here – all pitching staffs will earn the same points for 27 outs except if the away team doesn’t pitch bottom of 9 or if a game goes to extras.

  • everettcase

    @Matthew said...

    Ultimately, we’re looking to award the pitching staff for something not happening (scoring). The most simplistic way of doing that was treating it like we do our NFL Defense — you start with points and then lose them / gain additional for certain actions occurring.

    Completely agree with this approach… but then, why not just have the Pitching Staff start with 20pts and go up/down from there based on the other stats? A staff that throws the standard 9 innings would have 20.25 anyway, and that mitigates the issues most are pointing out with extra inning games gaining significant value for pitching staffs despite being neither predictable nor based on any inherent skill.

  • qatman

    Let’s say team A pitches an extra 2 innings (11 inning game). They strike out 2 guys, allow 4 baserunners, and 1 run. That nets them an extra 4.5 + 0.8 -1.0 -2.0 = 2.3 points. Of course there is always the risk that they give up more baserunners and runs, and score negative points in extra innings.

    If there were not points for innings pitched, then extra innings would also be a random gamble except that it would almost always be negative (unless more strikeouts than baserunners allowed and no runs). So you have to do something about it.

    On a side note, I somehow missed on first reading that there are no negative points for batter outs. That is a bit disappointing, but it’s certainly reasonable.

  • huitcinq

    Are you guys saying there should be no pitching points in extra innings period?

    Whether or not there’s points for innings pitched, pitchers will always have the ability to acrue points in extra innings. The innings pitched points +/- pitcher points is just how the points add up for a pitcher.

  • huitcinq

    I mean think about it, every single player in every single sport accrues extra points in overtime and no one has ever brought this up as an issue before. Do you guys target games you think will be ties in hockey, bball, football?

    I really don’t understand why you guys are so focused on this.

  • noddy

    I have not thought about this too much yet, but being that it is different than DK and FD makes me want to play at Victiv also. Kudos for doing something different. People can’t stand change, but glad to see you are not just doing what the other sites do. You will be getting some of my money for sure. Great job doing something different. Can’t stress that enough. Well played Victiv!

  • stevietpfl

    Morning Grind co-host, Lead NASCAR Analyst

    • 2015 FanDuel MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    • 2015 FAWBC Finalist

    @Redskins4 said...

    Lol at @StevieTPFL, same guy who thought the sub was a terrible idea for basketball is now bashing the MLB setup? Big surprise

    Don’t think I was bashing the idea. Simply just said I don’t like it. I still play NBA quite a bit on victiv and have adjusted to the sub. With a lot of success I may add.

    I just don’t see myself playing MLB over there with this setup, but will likely give it a try.

  • bripc23

    2013 PFBC Finalist

    @qatman said...

    If there were not points for innings pitched, then extra innings would also be a random gamble except that it would almost always be negative (unless more strikeouts than baserunners allowed and no runs). So you have to do something about it.

    This is a good point actually

  • battlesign

    • Blogger of the Month

    My first impression with the points for innings pitched, was if the starter went 6 full innings, he got the full points for 6 full innings. If he was pulled before finishing a full inning (whatever inning it was) no points for that partial inning. Same with bullpen. Reliever comes in to face one batter, then pulled, no points for IP for him and so on. If its basically most every staff picked gets 9 innings, then getting points for a win makes more sense.

    Side note, I just signed up at Victiv yesterday, no action yet, but like the look of the site and the loyalty bonuses are looking awesome.

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