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  • Matthew

    StarsDraft Rep

    As always, if you’ve yet to join and receive your free $30 Bankroll Builder entries, make sure you do so through this link!

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    Victiv MLB Announcement

    We’re extremely excited to announce our new daily fatnasy baseball roster setup and scoring.

    We know there will be some that like our decisions, others that disapprove, but ultimately, our goal is to continue to lead the evolution of the market through product and game enhancements. We strongly believe in the direct and ancillary benefits of this setup, and as we’ve done before, have provided extensive analytics behind our decisions.

    Victiv’s Unique MLB Lineup

    P – Pitching Staff

    Instead of selecting a single pitcher, you’ll choose an entire pitching staff. No matter who throws for your team, you’ll be scoring points throughout the entire night.

    IF – Infield
    IF – Infield
    IF – Infield
    IF – Infield
    OF – Outfield
    OF – Outfield
    OF – Outfield

    Choose 4 infielders from any combination of 1st Base, 2nd Base, 3rd Base, Short Stop, and Catcher.

    Choose 3 outfielders from any combination of Left Fielder, Center Fielder, and Right Fielder.

    You may only roster a maximum of four batters from any one team.

    PH – Pinch Hitter

    Draft a Pinch Hitter from any remaining infielder or outfielder. The Pinch Hitter position will count against your salary cap, but will not count towards your score unless they earn more fantasy points than another batter on your lineup.

    To learn more visit: https://www.victiv.com/daily-fantasy-baseball

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    https://www.victiv.com/daily-fantasy-baseball

    MLB Scoring

    Batters Scoring

    RBI / Run Scored +1 pts.
    Base Hit / Walk / HBP +1.25 pts.
    Double +2 pts.
    Triple +3 pts.
    Home Run +5 pts.
    Stolen Base +1 pts.
    Caught Stealing -1 pts.

    Pitchers Scoring

    Innings Pitched +2.25 pts.
    Strikeout +0.40 pts.
    Earned runs -2 pts.
    Hit or hit equivalent -0.25 pts.
    Shutout +1 pts.
    No Hitter +2 pts.
    Complete Game +2 pts
    Perfect Game +5 pts.


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  • stevietpfl

    Morning Grind co-host, Lead NASCAR Analyst

    • 2015 FanDuel MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    • 2015 FAWBC Finalist

    Not trying to beat a dead horse, but I feel like I would totally change my mind about team pitching if they would just add Win/Loss. I feel like this is the perfect example of the Win and Loss actually being in play. Done arguing the point of less skill, just wanted to say I think they missed with not adding W/L.

  • britdevine

    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    @stevietpfl said...

    Not trying to beat a dead horse, but I feel like I would totally change my mind about team pitching if they would just add Win/Loss. I feel like this is the perfect example of the Win and Loss actually being in play. Done arguing the point of less skill, just wanted to say I think they missed with not adding W/L.

    I think a + 1.5 or 2 for a team win would be great as well.

    I’m not a fan pf the IP category (as it only awards points theoretically for an extra innings game), but I’ll still play a ton with the versatility of lineup building.

  • huitcinq

    @YoungFischer said...

    The difference is that their innings pitched scoring ONLY matters for games that go into extra innings.

    How would you feel about a NFL scoring system that gave additional points only for statistics accrued in OT?

    Ah ok now I understand the confusion

    It seems you are all thinking of innings pitched as standalone “points”. You can’t look at it in a vacuum like touchdowns or rebounds.

    Innings pitched points are a baseline the guide the amount of points a pitcher can gain or lose in a given inning. If you stop giving IP points in extra innings the entire pitcher scoring system becomes skewed. If the IP points stopped at the 9th inning it’d be like if you awarded less points for K’s and penalized more points for ER’s in extra innings, which wouldn’t be fair.

    The pitcher’s scoring system is integrated. The innings pitched points are just there to establish a baseline of potential points gained or loss in an inning that’s balanced with the rest of the scoring system at other positions and the salary structure.

    I suppose it’s not that intuitive at first glance so the comments make a little more sense now. But the scoring system is still sound.

  • Matthew

    StarsDraft Rep

    @stevietpfl

    @britdevine

    Much of this conversation wraps back into the performance-based scoring aspect. Our scoring was designed to rewards pitching staff that have a low ERA, low WHIP, and many strikeouts. It’s possible to lose a game despite pitching really well, or win a game despite pitching very poorly.

    That being said, we’re not infallible! If we need to adjust, we have no problem adjusting to make sure our games are as fun, flexible, and action-filled as possible.

  • bucherpsu08

    I think it has more to do with bullpen factor than extra inning factor. It’s an interesting concept. I’m not going to knock it til I try it.

    I’ll give you 2 contrasting examples from last year in Detroit and Baltimore. Any time Scherzer or Price started late last year for Detroit, they were easy plays obviously. With this set up you would have had to dig a little deeper because the Tigers bullpen was a dumpster fire. Those 2 guys may give you 7 solid innings only to give way to a bullpen that could easily blow up for 5 or 6 ERs.

    Now take the opposite side of that with Baltimore. A guy like Tillman or Chen may not go 7 innings consistently but they typically will give you 5 or 6 strong innings. And that bullpen last year was lights out so taking a shot on the O’s staff as a whole may make more sense than going with a team with an ace on the mound.

    It’s def an interesting twist.

  • TheSanction

    StarsDraft Rep

    @carney259 said...

    Base Hit / Walk / HBP +1.25 pts
    Should this say “Single/Walk/HBP”?

    Yes Carney – sorry for the confusing terminology. We will make sure it’s ‘Single’ everywhere.

  • huitcinq

    @bucherpsu08 said...

    I’ll give you 2 contrasting examples from last year in Detroit and Baltimore. Any time Scherzer or Price started late last year for Detroit, they were easy plays obviously. With this set up you would have had to dig a little deeper because the Tigers bullpen was a dumpster fire. Those 2 guys may give you 7 solid innings only to give way to a bullpen that could easily blow up for 5 or 6 ERs.

    Now take the opposite side of that with Baltimore. A guy like Tillman or Chen may not go 7 innings consistently but they typically will give you 5 or 6 strong innings. And that bullpen last year was lights out so taking a shot on the O’s staff as a whole may make more sense than going with a team with an ace on the mound.

    ding ding ding

    This is exactly why I love the set up, and why in my first post I said without hesitation that I thought it was brilliant.

    I’m a fan of absolutely anything that increases the skill ceiling of DFS and requires more critical thinking in evaluating value plays and roster construction, which I really think team pitching will accomplish.

  • huitcinq

    By the way will there be any changes to Victiv’s NFL setup or will it roll out as it is described on the website now?

  • whistexpert

    @huitcinq said...

    I’m a fan of absolutely anything that increases the skill ceiling of DFS and requires more critical thinking in evaluating value plays and roster construction, which I really think team pitching will accomplish.

    In my humble opinion it actually decreases skill.

    The standard deviation among team performance is much tighter than individual outcomes. I did a quick calc of the numbers and almost all teams are within 1 std dev (re: pretty tightly packed)

    To me that’s a bummer since the prediction edge is minimized because the results of a STAFF are so game driven. A pitcher can go 6 strong 0 ER, but his team scores 10 and they bring in the mop up crew — pretty lame to get penalized. Or the flip side.

    Again my 2 cents, but I’ll stick with the same products that are flawed, but imo, not as flawed.

    Examples of things that are not game driven is the ability to predict your starter will get 85+ pitches if healthy and not tanked. You can’t predict a game that MIL brings in http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/33117/wei-chung-wang

  • ldmariodl28

    • Blogger of the Month

    There are Pros and Cons to this pitching system. This is similar to the Team Goalie position that Daily Joust had for NHL. I know for myself at the time I really didnt like the idea of it, but it grew on me as if my goalie was pulled early for sucking I wouldnt be dead in the water.

    The only way we will know for sure if this is good or not is play it. Victiv is good, so if it doesnt work out, they will change it for the 2016 season. As long as differnt sites have differnt scoring options, than its all good. There is no reason for Victiv to come out and have scoring similar to other sites, even if their roster set up is differnt. Think about it.. we are talking about a fairly new site with not a ton of traffic.. thats a win for Victiv in my book. If Victiv had the same stuff as everyone else.. then we wouldnt talk about them. Just look at those other DFS sites which I cant even name.. doing the same thing as everyone else.

    I dont play on FD for NHL because I dont like +/-. I dont play FD for MLB because I dont like -.25 for an out. I dont love DK for MLB because it allows you to stack pretty much. I dont play on Fantasy Fued because I dont like getting penalized for strikeouts and picking all those pitchers.

  • tprokopenko

    @ldmariodl28 said...

    I know for myself at the time I really didnt like the idea of it, but it grew on me as if my goalie was pulled early for sucking I wouldnt be dead in the water.

    Of course, there’s always the flip side. I love when I intentionally fade a goalie (or pitcher) that is 30% owned and they get shelled and pulled early, giving me a leg up on the competition.

  • NCRick

    “Complete Game” = 2 points? Ummm…. What am I missing? So you get 2 points unless the game is rained out?

  • donkshow

    @Matthew said...

    That being said, we’re not infallible! If we need to adjust, we have no problem adjusting to make sure our games are as fun, flexible, and action-filled as possible.

    As long as nothing changes mid-season, which I assume it wouldn’t.

  • supermanu20

    Umm I assume it means if the starter throws a complete game.

  • NCRick

    @supermanu20 said...

    Umm I assume it means if the starter throws a complete game.

    Oh, I see now. Thanks!

  • stevietpfl

    Morning Grind co-host, Lead NASCAR Analyst

    • 2015 FanDuel MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    • 2015 FAWBC Finalist

    @supermanu20 said...

    Umm I assume it means if the starter throws a complete game.

    With the team pitching, it’s something they need to change that says that.

  • Matthew

    StarsDraft Rep

    @stevietpfl said...

    With the team pitching, it’s something they need to change that says that.

    Good points, thanks for the feedback on this + base hit from earlier. We’ll clean this all up to remove the uncertainty.

  • mberkowi

    • 2018 DraftKings FHWC Finalist

    The fact that everybody is harping on extra innings and only 1 person mentioned the 9th inning makes me think a lot of people will have trouble adjusting to your scoring and increases my interest in playing.

    Although I don’t like the IP points, I understand the theory. Was there any consideration to awarding ER & BB+H similar to NFL defense points? I.e. shutout=10 points, 1-2 ER= 8 pts, etc.

  • ldmariodl28

    • Blogger of the Month

    @mberkowi said...

    The fact that everybody is harping on extra innings and only 1 person mentioned the 9th inning makes me think a lot of people will have trouble adjusting to your scoring and increases my interest in playing.

    This is what im thinking. I want to learn and play this because new people trying out the site (even if they are DFS vets) will take some time to adjust, making them fish to the game. This was the case back with Daily Joust because people would come from fanduel and play on their and couldnt adjust to the salaries. They would say Daily Joust sucked, but its just because they couldnt adjust to the tougher salary. Hopefully Victiv has smarter people running the finances than DJ did.

  • Matthew

    StarsDraft Rep

    @ldmariodl28 said...

    Hopefully Victiv has smarter people running the finances than DJ did.

    We’ve got it covered!

    Edit: Joking picture aside, obviously, when dealing in a real money gaming space having the right team and infrastructure in place is incredibly important. We take our financing, both corporate and segregation of player funds very seriously.

    Three of our co-founders have backgrounds in finance, two of which are CFA/CPAs that operate in an advisory role with Victiv and full-time in the private equity markets.

  • Priptonite

    • Blogger of the Month

    @whistexpert said...

    The standard deviation among team performance is much tighter than individual outcomes. I did a quick calc of the numbers and almost all teams are within 1 std dev (re: pretty tightly packed)

    I think this is an important point that is being overlooked a bit. Everyone is excited that they won’t get screwed by 1 bad inning or by their SP throwing a gem and not getting the W, but they’re not thinking about what the majority of games will look like. I think people will quickly find that bats decide most games on Victiv as it’s harder to gain a significant point advantage at P.

  • louiescards

    DK KoTH winner

    @Priptonite said...

    I think this is an important point that is being overlooked a bit. Everyone is excited that they won’t get screwed by 1 bad inning or by their SP throwing a gem and not getting the W, but they’re not thinking about what the majority of games will look like. I think people will quickly find that bats decide most games on Victiv as it’s harder to gain a significant point advantage at P.

    This is exactly what we will see. Stats back it up. Heck even in the example from earlier with Det/Bal, those two scenarios end in near the same totals majority of the time. Somehow people think that increases the skill which I don’t understand.

  • ldmariodl28

    • Blogger of the Month

    @Priptonite said...

    I think this is an important point that is being overlooked a bit. Everyone is excited that they won’t get screwed by 1 bad inning or by their SP throwing a gem and not getting the W, but they’re not thinking about what the majority of games will look like. I think people will quickly find that bats decide most games on Victiv as it’s harder to gain a significant point advantage at P.

    I think that is a good thing.. Instead of me having to get my pitcher right.. I need to get my hitters right. Drives me nuts that if I dont get this one player right im doomed.

  • Priptonite

    • Blogger of the Month

    @ldmariodl28 said...

    I think that is a good thing.. Instead of me having to get my pitcher right.. I need to get my hitters right. Drives me nuts that if I dont get this one player right im doomed.

    Have you been frustrated with NHL this season? Because that is what you’re apparently looking forward to with MLB :)

  • Dearth_Slader

    We’ll have to see how it all plays out, but I would think that the pitching staffs that are part of the 1-1 game that goes to extras are staffs that you would likely be targeting to begin with. And even then, a the team on the losing end probably breaks even in extras unless it goes beyond 11 innings.

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