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  • vet0307

    I havent cashed since the start of the NBA. I have broke even 5 times but I dont consider that cashing. Last season I did ok but honestly, I forgot my methods of play and this year seems to be way different. I look at vegas, fg% matchups, injuries. The guys I pick have great stats but everytime i pick them, they dont do shit. Im sure Gordon wasnt a good play tonight but he has produced well in his last ten. I pick him and he is sitting at 3. Im sick of researching and researching to only hit maybe 250. My best ever was 355 but even that only broke even lol and I honestly just blindly chose guys and not sure what i did. I know everyone has their sauce and wants to keep that a secret, trust me i get it. Im obviously doing this wrong. Im really not that big on the money, its more of understanding and doing well. It pisses me off that i cant figure it out enough to do well. RG has tons of info but it seems like I am not grasping it correctly. I employ it but fail. Any ways, sorry for the rant but its very frustrating. Any help would be great.

  • lk2000

    I’ve been wondering the same thing this year as I’ve struggled a lot this year so far versus last year. Think the game’s become a lot harder. Out of 10,704 entries in the crossover today, nearly 4,000 of them came from people who take the game seriously enough to enter 100+ lineups. Seems to be more of them than last year. That plus the rake has gone up.

    king fi (150), kobe4mvp (150), dr. karl (150), shawnzhan (150), redcoat85 (150), micahj (150), iamgronk63 (150), rikkidee (150), juanshen (100), theclone (150),tholdwth28 (150), youdacao (150), ashyl4rry (150), saahilsud (150), mazwa (150), anilprao88 (150), bcalicore (150), feistofwinterviel (150), banders234 (150), rexgrossman (150), tinderella (100), ehaftner (100), ragingphillip (150), dahladino (150), madoublet (102), petteythef89(100), pianoclub (150).

  • Ddub2000287

    I suggest you pay attention to slump patterns by creating your own charts that’s a sprinkle to my secret that had helped me cash in on $17,000 these last couple months and yes Ik2000 the sharks are taking hold on $1-$10 contests now which sucks. :(

  • jrgum3

    On Fanduel I seem to do well but on DK I have trouble cashing in GPP’s. I try to stick to cash games because of that but even those are hard to cash in on DK.

  • tonytone1908

    My main problem is I stay too chalky when I know I shouldn’t. I’m always on a few of the good plays but I ruin them by trying to go with “safer” plays instead and just kill myself. It’s a mental thing that I just can’t break through. Sometimes I listen and I actually min cash or maybe a bit better but the next day I’m back at square 1.

    Don’t get me wrong, 1 or 2 chalky plays is totally fine, but you need at least 1 or 2 cheap, low owned guys, not punts necessarily, but something to separate yourself from the crowd.

    All you can do, in hindsight, is look at your lineups, and the winning ones, and see where you went wrong. Sometimes it seems so obvious and you can’t believe you missed it. Tonight was a great example. Lots of studs that weren’t in good spots, and lot of cheap guys that did great their last game. Perfect night to go balanced. You know with all the cheap guys everyone was looking at, that most of them were probably playing a lot of the studs, by staying in the middle it would be easy to have a very unique lineup.

  • mccoolio

    It’s getting harder statistically. The rake is higher than its ever been, there are more and more folks finding ways to circumvent entry limits. Its real people. Unfortunately, until this is regulated better, its going to be tough to win unless you have some serious bankroll. GPP wise that is.

  • tonytone1908

    @mccoolio said...

    It’s getting harder statistically. The rake is higher than its ever been, there are more and more folks finding ways to circumvent entry limits. Its real people. Unfortunately, until this is regulated better, its going to be tough to win unless you have some serious bankroll. GPP wise that is.

    Many people have won big on single bullets. My best advice would be to just limit your play. I mostly do 1 LU a night with 1 entry in the Shot. If I do bad, I lost 3 bucks. Instead of hundreds or thousands. If I do well, I still have a shot at thousands of dollars. I almost always do a late slate as well, the payouts are usually pretty good. I usually do terrible, but I least I’m not going broke. Every once in a while I may throw a few extra in if it’s my day off and I have time to research, but every time I do multiple lineups, without fail, late news breaks and I have no idea how to adjust and vary 20 lineups in 8 mins. I really have no idea how the pros do it other than, they don’t do it, they have programs for that. They simply run off a new set of lineups and get to swappin.

    Basically, we all know the deck is stacked against us. The only way to win is to play. The only way to keep from losing all your money is to not play it all. People get ecstatic about winning $200 in the shot and then give it right back the next day by going from single entry to multi entry of off one lucky night. You could have a chance to win every night for 2 months of that win with a serious lineup instead of throwing shit against the wall hoping it will stick.

  • Mindofigor

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/gamecenter/32980909?uc=574468948

    Don’t pick players because they’ve been doing well.
    Pick players in matchups that have no defense being played.

    You easily could’ve stacked the entire PHO/WAS game and cashed nicely.

  • vet0307

    Yea but my issue is, i have done the matchup bs and still came out bad lol. How do you look at matchups? I think I am looking at those wrong.

  • Yahoo302

    there are dvp charts over here on Rotogrinders

  • vet0307

    Yea i have used those but some worked out some didnt lol.

  • jimfred82

    • Blogger of the Month

    It is still early, too. Plus, the Westbrook’s, Hardens and Davis’s are making people scramble for value that may or may not exist. Have you tried playing on nights where those guys aren’t playing? It’s often easier to create a lineup when you don’t feel obligated to chase the high-dollar guy with a high floor but needs to score 70 to hit value.

  • SzymonK

    I started NBA this month used to play NFL and lost every time I entered line ups, the players in NFL are so inconsistent so I gave up after this weekend.

    When I pick my LUs I think of it as Luck. You can pick similiar players to everyone else butt that one or two players that will put you ahead of someone by 20-40 points and that’s all you need. When I notice that I come shy 5-20 points of hitting first place on big tourneys I must be doing something right and that one day will come.

  • mbergsmann19

    @jimfred82 said...

    It is still early, too. Plus, the Westbrook’s, Hardens and Davis’s are making people scramble for value that may or may not exist. Have you tried playing on nights where those guys aren’t playing? It’s often easier to create a lineup when you don’t feel obligated to chase the high-dollar guy with a high floor but needs to score 70 to hit value.

    I agree. Went with The Alphabet at 8800$ on DK instead of Harden and cashed in all my cash games. You obviously need the rest of your players to click, but you don’t always have to chase the 10-12k players. If they bust then most of the time your value plays won’t even matter unless they go off big time.

  • BleedinGreen

    Try looking outside the box. We have a lot of Sharks running these GPPs so you need to find a way to get around them. Look more into situational picks than guys “running well.” Look into game flow, how do you think the game will/ could play out? Make an educated guess (using DVP) and other sources, and hope for the best. Don’t look too far into what everyone else is saying, make your own assumptions, which will ultimately give you a very unique lineup that can curve the high owned lineups. Best of Luck

  • crazypaul

    I agree this season has been much harder. The past 2 seasons, I have been a profitable small $ NBA player. I usually throw in a a few bucks into 50/50’s and a few into GPP’s with a single entry and have managed to do pretty well. However, this season I am missing the cashline in GPPs on Fanduel almost every night. 50/50’s are still cashing at a rate that keeps me even, but the last 2 weeks have probably been my worst as far as tournament s go since I started playing DFS. No matter what I do, I score between 270-300 and miss the cashline.

    I believe the competition is just smarter this year and it is driving cashlines up. So far for the season, the average scores to cash in the $1 & $2 GPP’s on Fanduel are at 295 ftps. Last season, it was around 283 FTPS. There is just a plethora of information available to people now through various sites as well as an influx of vile scum lineup sellers that cashing has become much more difficult.

  • MPDR1983

    @vet0307 said...

    I havent cashed since the start of the NBA. I have broke even 5 times but I dont consider that cashing. Last season I did ok but honestly, I forgot my methods of play and this year seems to be way different. I look at vegas, fg% matchups, injuries. The guys I pick have greatss stats but everytime i pick them, the dont do shit. Im sure Gordon wasnt a good play tonight but he has produced well in his last ten. I pick him and he is sitting at 3. Im sick of researching and researching to only hit maybe 250. My best ever was 355 but even that only broke even lol and I honestly just blindly chose guys and not sure what i did. I know everyone has their sauce and wants to keep that a secret, trust me i get it. Im obviously doing this wrong. Im really not that big on the money, its more of understanding and doing well. It pisses me off that i cant figure it out enough to do well. RG has tons of info but it seems like I am not grasping it correctly. I employ it but fail. Any ways, sorry for the rant but its very frustrating. Any help would be great.

    A little prayer and a lot of luck is the only way.

  • lloydjv1

    @lk2000 said...

    I’ve been wondering the same thing this year as I’ve struggled a lot this year so far versus last year. Think the game’s become a lot harder. Out of 10,704 entries in the crossover today, nearly 4,000 of them came from people who take the game seriously enough to enter 100+ lineups. Seems to be more of them than last year. That plus the rake has gone up.

    king fi (150), kobe4mvp (150), dr. karl (150), shawnzhan (150), redcoat85 (150), micahj (150), iamgronk63 (150), rikkidee (150), juanshen (100), theclone (150),tholdwth28 (150), youdacao (150), ashyl4rry (150), saahilsud (150), mazwa (150), anilprao88 (150), bcalicore (150), feistofwinterviel (150), banders234 (150), rexgrossman (150), tinderella (100), ehaftner (100), ragingphillip (150), dahladino (150), madoublet (102), petteythef89(100), pianoclub (150).

    Man I feel your pain and see those names on top of mine way too often. It’s true, if you have the BR to enter 150 LU’s you’re likely going to cash well several times if you have any type of clue and weak your good lineups a bit each entry. It’s hard to cash big when you have limited funds and have a difficult time building that bank roll.

  • jon2anderson

    • Blogger of the Month

    I think the key is to not play the ‘featured GPP’s’.. the rake is so high and the prizes are sooo top heavy you might as well just play the lottery. like sure, you could find a way to consistently min cash, but if that’s what you’re doing why not just play 50/50’s or H2H’s and try your best to avoid the sharks.

  • lloydjv1

    @tonytone1908 said...

    Many people have won big on single bullets. My best advice would be to just limit your play. I mostly do 1 LU a night with 1 entry in the Shot. If I do bad, I lost 3 bucks. Instead of hundreds or thousands. If I do well, I still have a shot at thousands of dollars. I almost always do a late slate as well, the payouts are usually pretty good. I usually do terrible, but I least I’m not going broke. Every once in a while I may throw a few extra in if it’s my day off and I have time to research, but every time I do multiple lineups, without fail, late news breaks and I have no idea how to adjust and vary 20 lineups in 8 mins. I really have no idea how the pros do it other than, they don’t do it, they have programs for that. They simply run off a new set of lineups and get to swappin.

    Basically, we all know the deck is stacked against us. The only way to win is to play. The only way to keep from losing all your money is to not play it all. People get ecstatic about winning $200 in the shot and then give it right back the next day by going from single entry to multi entry of off one lucky night. You could have a chance to win every night for 2 months of that win with a serious lineup instead of throwing shit against the wall hoping it will stick.

    I agree. I do one or two different LU’s on the DK sharp each night and usually cash to the tune of 6 to 30 dollars. It’s not easy though.

  • vet0307

    Thanks guys, i appreciate the help. I may toss some LUs in FD. For some reason I did way better in NFL in there with basically the same LU but DK was horrid.

  • jimfred82

    • Blogger of the Month

    @vet0307 said...

    Thanks guys, i appreciate the help. I may toss some LUs in FD. For some reason I did way better in NFL in there with basically the same LU but DK was horrid.

    Also, tonight may not be the best sample size, since there won’t be much disparity between winning and not cashing with only four games on the slate.

  • vet0307

    True. I have some core guys and i am building around that.

    Core 4

    Westbrook
    Millsap
    Howard
    Wade

  • ZookeeperKills

    I’d rather swim with the sharks in GPPs than go against the random players that take players simply because they “like them.” Those are the dangerous ones. Anyway…

    Have you ever tried doing your own player projections? How long do you spend deciding on which contests to enter? What time do you normally enter contests? If you want to be good at DFS it’s going to require some time and effort. Sticking to a consistent strategy will pay off in the long run. There’s not a lot of variance in daily NBA, so consistently making smart, solid plays will pay off.

    A smart, solid play?—Look at the price of a player. DK lists a players price with each game in their game logs. If a guy like Anten,,ehhh Greek Freak a.k.a. alphabet is priced under 9k against a poor team like the Magic, he becomes a lock (in my process). Alphabet has the ability to produce like an 11-12k player, and he can contribute in all areas—rebounds, steals, etc. Remember: you’re PAYING for the player you choose with your 50k budget.

    Do more cash games and enter GPPs with less players. I still fall victim to chasing big scores and winning the huge prizes. All it does is waste time at this point. Most large field GPPs pay out MINIMUM cash to 25-28% of the field. To win anything significant your chances are much lower. Just play a 50/50 (50% chance of winning) or double up (usually a 44% chance to win). I have to remind myself of this everyday.

    Hope that helps a bit.

  • Pointgiven

    This is the same story every year at this time:

    Please listen to this….

    Bankroll management is so important this time of year…. If you are a person that is going after a slate with 50% of your bankroll you could seriously go on tilt. I will guarantee some people who had AD tonight or CJ Mile the other night are going to bust out. I don’t care if you have 10, 100, 500, 5000 dollars, I would only play 10% of your bankroll on a give slate.

    Here are the reasons why

    #1 This time of year teams have new players, they are learning new roles, and figuring out each other. Your going to see high variance on a majority of players…One night they will have 40 the next night 10….we are only 14-16 games in…relax and wait for your spot…December and January tend to be very predictable IMO

    #2 If you only go 10% of your bankroll, the stress level is down, you will not “go on tilt”

    #3 Build your bankroll……brick by brick….This is not a race its a marathon. As you have seen with the merger of Fanduel/Draftkings, Fantasy sports are not going away. When you have a slate you fell comfortable go after it with your max 10%….

    #4 Focus on trying to get 5x out of every player in your lineup….I fall victim to this all the time, I don’t 5x I want 6,7,8x, so I will start throwing players in that I am hoping to hit a home run with. 300 FP scores in Cash just about every night and a lot of times it cashes in GPP’s (there are some instances on small slates where this is higher).

    Trust me, things will get easier in December and January once roles are set and it will be easier for DFS players to figure out minutes/usage etc.

    Good Luck!

  • Mod518

    I’m really struggling too. That Hou/Det game Monday night, Gordon and Morris killed my LUs. Last night Randle killed my LU in DK, Brow in FD. Having a player hit his floor in decent matchups almost nightly. I feel like I am trying to hit a 9 team parlay. 1 player can completely take you out.

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