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  • commandercoo1

    Hi All,

    I played a ton of DFS for a couple years starting about 5 years ago. I deposited $100 and made about $3000 over that time (and yes I reported taxes). This was all before DFS was banned in several states, etc. I had a system down, was really into it, and was pretty consistent.

    I am thinking about getting back into it… except at much higher stakes.

    Has a lot changed? Can you still consistently make money in cash games? Are there any new hurdles with entering lots of contests etc?

    Thanks all!

  • Smallchimp

    @sirrobert6 said...

    Firstly, without reading too deep into things I am inclined to completely trust/agree with whatever Felixx says. Once I read slightly into things, still holds true. But after five years I still have my two cents:

    There will always be money “to be made” in DFS, but in terms of how it’s totally different.

    Cash is dead. There is no longer a grind unless you are getting into some sort of mass lineup usage. Couple years ago balanced lineups were cash basics 101 across the industry for every sport, now with the insane amount of scoring (meta change) and duplicate lineups (industry change) you need a ceiling, or to play it more like a GPP. GPP is new the cash games for making steady money. However, you need to play higher stakes because is the lower buy-ins the lineup duplication is far more prevalent. Scoring is WAY up in all if not every major sport. Soccer is introducing replay, NHL is structuring the game around goals, I don’t play MLB or NBA but even I know scoring is up in the past couple seasons as well. So, this goes in hand with needing more ceiling, playing more GPP/less cash games, and playing higher stakes because you get beat by less random/lucky cards. Everything favours GPP at the moment, so I’d focus on that.

    Cash is still viable if you’re in a league where sharks (players placing in 50% or more of league contests) aren’t present. I couldn’t tell you how many leagues I’m in where the same 2-4 names are at the top with winnings 10x more than the next guys and much much higher win ratios. It’s just about joining a decent league.

  • Felixxberg

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    @sirrobert6 said...

    Firstly, without reading too deep into things I am inclined to completely trust/agree with whatever Felixx says. Once I read slightly into things, still holds true. But after five years I still have my two cents:

    Thanks for the support!

    I have only been playing GPPs since the beginning so I can’t really comment on cash games.

    I started with small turbo/late contests and made my way up to max entering the main contests (I was in college and had some free time in the afternoon at that time). I constantly had good lineups not too far from the top, but I won a large GPP (10K+ entrants) only once.

    You can see it in my best results on RG (it’s the 3rd one, from 2017). It was a 13K entrant, $45K GTD contest. I actually only won $3K from that. Now, 1st place is almost always 10%-20% even in very large GPPs, which makes no sense to me. Why bother entering a 100K entrant GPP when 1st place wins 20% of it? You have too be crazy lucky to win those even with 150 lineups, especially in low stakes where a lot of people max enter. I’d rather enter one lineup in a $100+ contest where I don’t have to be near perfect to win.

    It’s also a lot less time consuming. I now have a full time job but I can enter 20- lineups per night because it doesn’t take hours like 150 lineups. I do them all manually.

  • rannas23

    @DFSx42 said...

    negate the fact that it’s too high for really anyone to feasibly play profitably without a lot of dead money in the pool

    I’ve always wondered how much these pros have in their account each night. How much of a cushion account or dead money would be needed to max enter and compete with the big dogs in those higher priced GPP contests over time.

  • B_Edelman

    https://www.draftkings.com/average-results

    I’ve posted this before. Tells you everything you need to know. Top 1% of players take home half of the money. Only 12% of people make money in a month. Number is probably lower over the course of the year.

  • DFSx42

    @B_Edelman said...

    https://www.draftkings.com/average-results

    I’ve posted this before. Tells you everything you need to know. Top 1% of players take home half of the money. Only 12% of people make money in a month. Number is probably lower over the course of the year.

    that table doesn’t tell the tale of the rake

    in last 3 months, the top 1% did put in 33% of total entry fees, but notice it says it’s 48% of winnings, not 48% of total. That’s a very big difference

    Let’s say there were 100 dollars in total entries throughout all of DK in that 3 month period.

    The top 1% put in $33 for 33% of total entries.

    But for winnings, you need to include the rake. Let’s just say 15% so there’s only $85 of winnings available. 48% of $85 is 40.8

    Yes that’s profitable, but not as much as the site would make it appear by excluding rake from their payout %. In essence, they are cherry picking data, using two different figures but comparing them as if they were the same to make it seem like you can make a lot more money in DFS than in actuality is possible.

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