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  • Ericvincentt

    Can anybody relate to the uncomfortable feeling, that pit in your stomache, that you get when your cash lineup does a bit too well?

    For example, I’m currently watching my sole NBA lineup in a $25 double up as it sits in 3rd place with far more PMR than anybody atop the leaderboard. In a good spot to take 1st. Rather than be proud of my lineup, I’m instead sick to my stomache at the thought of what could have been, had I dropped it on a few GPPs.

    It’s a strange feeling and one that could be some fun to discuss. Anybody had similar experiences?

  • Roma315

    I’m typically a GPP player but if on a given night I am playing mostly cash games. I toss each lineup in a GPP just in case.

  • bhdevault

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    I’m pretty much a cash game player. However, I ALWAYS throw my cash lineup(s) into GPP’s. Normally I throw them into the $3 or $4 big tournament as well as some single entry.

    Sorry man. I guess lesson learned. I will tell you that we all have hard lesson’s learned at some point.

  • edro990

    I don’t play cash games anymore, but when I did I always put my cash lineup in at least one GPP, especially if I was using only 1 lineup. Keep grinding, it’ll happen again…………..

  • steelcitydozer

    No need to worry you finished with 287 points . You would have only doubled your buyin in the big gpps.so no worries you succeeded in your double up.

  • jr1886

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    Actually, you should always play a small pecentage of what you play in triple up (3X) and Quintuple up (5X). Most likely, you will get a greater return by investing in these multipliers than dropping your lineup in a $2 large GPP.

  • JSteele

    This happened to me awhile back where I had won my cash game on FD with a score of 344 but first prize on the GPP that night was 370s so it wasn’t a huge loss

  • jimfred82

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    @bhdevault said...

    I’m pretty much a cash game player. However, I ALWAYS throw my cash lineup(s) into GPP’s. Normally I throw them into the $3 or $4 big tournament as well as some single entry.

    Sorry man. I guess lesson learned. I will tell you that we all have hard lesson’s learned at some point.

    This. It was nights like this that basically led me to playing GPP’s.

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    I talk about this a lot in my new RotoAcademy video lesson with JMtoWin. I ALWAYS throw my cash lineup into GPPs.

  • CUTiger81

    The first 3 months I started playing DFS at the end of 2014 I made an NBA cash lineup that was in like three $1 50/50’s and two $1 h2h’s and wasn’t in a GPP (I always put it in the $2 shot/$1 swat on FD at the time but had forgotten) and it went off and cost me like $12k I believe. Luckily been fortunate enough to win a couple GPP’s since then but I can assure you I won’t make that same mistake again.

    Never, ever build a real lineup and not put it in at least a $1 GPP. Even if you’re only playing $8-10 in cash games, just throw it in the $1 Dribbler or the One and One on DK.

  • Ericvincentt

    Thanks for the advice guys! Like SteelcityDozer mentioned, my late players let me down a bit so I finished with 287, good enough to maybe min cash GPP’s, but didnt miss out on any big money. While I suppose that’s a good thing, I won’t risk having it happen and will be sure to put my main lineup in at least one GPP going forward.

  • Ericvincentt

    First time I’ve been happy to see my lineup drop down the leaderboard lol

  • nam6641

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    If you’re building cash lineups well you wouldn’t think they’d hit in a GPP so why waste the money.

  • BRORANNOSAURUS_FLEX

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    I agree. Your cash lineup should never have a chance of sniffing the top of a large field GPP.

    If you find yourself finishing near the top/bottom of cash games, instead of somewhere in the middle, you probably need to re-evaluate your play-style and maybe focus solely on GPP’s

  • bhdevault

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    Sorry, I disagree. Do you expect your cash lineup to win a GPP? Definitely not. However, mine seem to min cash most of the time anyhow. Why not throw it in a cheap GPP just in case?

    Last week my cash lineup ended in the top 20 of the big double up and ended up winning me over a hundred in the $4 on FD.

    What does it hurt?

  • Ericvincentt

    I wouldn’t say that you should build cash lineups with the goal of finishing right around the money line. Yes you only need to be in the top 50% (generally), but that doesn’t mean the top 5% are doing anything wrong.

    A good, safe cash lineup can still go off. And it can still place high in a GPP, and likely net you more than the cash game would. IMO

  • jimfred82

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    It’s not like you’re building a cash lineup and looking for a low score. Just because a guy is “safe” doesn’t mean he can’t go off, so thinking that you’re wasting, say, $1 when you’re putting however much in play just in case is probably a bit of a stretch to say you’re “wasting” money. It also avoids those “hey um, what score is winning x tourney? Oh man, my team totally would have done blah blah blah!”

  • nvalencia30

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    I always put my cash lineup in a GPP after realizing in baseball I had built a couple of really good cash lineups and cost myself money by not putting them into a tournament. The 3 entry max or low buy-in, large-field tournaments on DK are some of my favorite places to use my cash lineup because they pay out around 25% of the field, and either a) you don’t have to beat a huge field to cash (if you enter the 3 max) or b) if your team completely crushes it you can get into the big money (in the large-field contests).

  • superstars92

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    @BRORANNOSAURUS_FLEX said...

    I agree. Your cash lineup should never have a chance of sniffing the top of a large field GPP.

    I’m confused. I would say my cash game lineup has the highest chance of winning a GPP. Why shouldn’t it be? I thought your cash game lineup is supposed to be the one of the highest EV. By definition, that should be the one that has the best chance to win a GPP.

    I just recently started playing in like the higher stake GPPs (like 100+) on a consistent basis, and the lineup I use is my cash game lineup (I only use one lineup generally, but if I ever used more, it would be my second cash lineup, third cash lineup, etc.). So far, I don’t think I am doing anything wrong as my results this year have been pretty good.

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    @superstars92 said...

    I’m confused. I would say my cash game lineup has the highest chance of winning a GPP. Why shouldn’t it be? I thought your cash game lineup is supposed to be the one of the highest EV. By definition, that should be the one that has the best chance to win a GPP.

    I just recently started playing in like the higher stake GPPs (like 100+) on a consistent basis, and the lineup I use is my cash game lineup (I only use one lineup generally, but if I ever used more, it would be my second cash lineup, third cash lineup, etc.). So far, I don’t think I am doing anything wrong as my results this year have been pretty good.

    Generally a cash lineup will have more chalk players, right? Well, chalk typically means high ownership. Is it possible to finish at the top of a large field GPP with a lineup that has a bunch of highly owned players? Maybe. BUT, it’s much, much harder. If those players go off, there’s TONS of other people with similar variations of your lineup to compete with. Just look at the winners of every large field GPP every night. You’ll typically always see 3-4 players under 10% owned, and it’s not surprising to have someone who’s 1% or less.

  • Jvanspro

    Are you suggesting you want scoring limitations on your cash lineup. When building my cash lineup I build the best lineup I can and think it’s a good thing if the lineup goes of. That always ends in a profitable night.

  • superstars92

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    @BRORANNOSAURUS_FLEX said...

    Generally a cash lineup will have more chalk players, right? Well, chalk typically means high ownership. Is it possible to finish at the top of a large field GPP with a lineup that has a bunch of highly owned players? Maybe. BUT, it’s much, much harder. If those players go off, there’s TONS of other people with similar variations of your lineup to compete with. Just look at the winners of every large field GPP every night. You’ll typically always see 3-4 players under 10% owned, and it’s not surprising to have someone who’s 1% or less.

    Yes, it is true that the winners of GPPs usually have 3-4 players that are under 10% owned. However, going off what you said, that means they would have like 4-5 players that are more than 10% owned. In that case, the team still has a ton of chalk plays (10% owned, if that’s what you define them). It is very difficult for any cash game team (or even any team) to even have more than this 4-5 players that are more than 10% owned in a large slate because in general, there just aren’t that many “chalk” guys and when there are, due to salary constraints, usually you cannot have all of them together or you wouldn’t want to have all of them together (if say all of them are low price punts). So in general, from what you are saying, a fairly chalky lineup still wins a GPP (or cashes big) in most instances.

    For example, yesterday, the “chalkiest” player was Sam Dekker. It would be extremely hard for you to have cashed big (like top 2%) in a large GPP yesterday without Sam Dekker. Sam Dekker had a HIGHER ownership % in cash games than in tourneys, so clearly, going with the “cash” game mindset would have benefited you in tourneys more.

    Also, a contrarian play from yesterday would have been Dwyane Wade. He had super low ownership (less than 5%) and had like 9x. Yet a lot of the top teams (including the winning teams in the 4 point play, 27 crossover, and the 300 tourney) DID NOT have him. So you didn’t even need to be contrarian there to win a tourney.

  • noddy

    If you are just playing one lineup in a Gpp it should be the same lineup as your cash game lineup. Only when you are playing multiple Gpp lineups should you worry about being contrarian.

  • AlexSonty

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    Guys, Brorannosaurus is not saying that your cash lineups are scoring too many raw points if they are elite GPP lineups. He is saying that if your cash lineups are elite GPP lineups, your cash lineups are too contrarian.

    At least, I think that is what he is saying. Feel me to correct me, Bro.

  • JustGetMetoSunday

    I actually kind of do the opposite – I make all my GPP LU’s and then if there is one that I am confident has a high floor I will use that LU in a few H2H’s and 50/50s

  • ncain187

    Can you share a link to the course?

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