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  • Ericvincentt

    Can anybody relate to the uncomfortable feeling, that pit in your stomache, that you get when your cash lineup does a bit too well?

    For example, I’m currently watching my sole NBA lineup in a $25 double up as it sits in 3rd place with far more PMR than anybody atop the leaderboard. In a good spot to take 1st. Rather than be proud of my lineup, I’m instead sick to my stomache at the thought of what could have been, had I dropped it on a few GPPs.

    It’s a strange feeling and one that could be some fun to discuss. Anybody had similar experiences?

  • BRORANNOSAURUS_FLEX

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    @AlexSontySBN said...

    Guys, Brorannosaurus is not saying that your cash lineups are scoring too many raw points if they are elite GPP lineups. He is saying that if your cash lineups are elite GPP lineups, your cash lineups are too contrarian.

    At least, I think that is what he is saying. Feel me to correct me, Bro.

    Thank you!

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    @BRORANNOSAURUS_FLEX said...

    Generally a cash lineup will have more chalk players, right? Well, chalk typically means high ownership. Is it possible to finish at the top of a large field GPP with a lineup that has a bunch of highly owned players? Maybe. BUT, it’s much, much harder. If those players go off, there’s TONS of other people with similar variations of your lineup to compete with. Just look at the winners of every large field GPP every night. You’ll typically always see 3-4 players under 10% owned, and it’s not surprising to have someone who’s 1% or less.

    All the advice from people saying to play your cash lineups in GPPs, really strikes me as psychological fallacy type stuff… and financially just not a good idea.

    A good lineup in cash is not the same thing as a good GPP lineup, and the margins are small enough these days that I doubt you can have a lineup that’s long-term profitable in both. I just find it hard to believe that if you build a good cash lineup, that lineup could possibly be +EV in big field tournaments.

    But if it lets you sleep at night, just in case it goes off, then go ahead and play it in GPPs. I think you’re lighting money on fire (sure, maybe a small amount) by doing it though.

    EDIT: To clarify, I’m basically agreeing with brorannosaurus… I’m not saying playing it in GPPs is necessarily the wrong decision. It could be that you build bad cash game lineups. But having one lineup that is +EV in both cash/GPPs is very, very hard these days.

  • troveur

    Agree with Noto on this one. Always play cash LU’s in gpps…it is beyond stupid not to do that. Good cash LU’s are still good LU’s.

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    @TinkyTyler said...

    All the advice from people saying to play your cash lineups in GPPs, really strikes me as psychological fallacy type stuff… and financially just not a good idea.

    A good lineup in cash is not the same thing as a good GPP lineup, and the margins are small enough these days that I doubt you can have a lineup that’s long-term profitable in both. I just find it hard to believe that if you build a good cash lineup, that lineup could possibly be +EV in big field tournaments.

    But if it lets you sleep at night, just in case it goes off, then go ahead and play it in GPPs. I think you’re lighting money on fire (sure, maybe a small amount) by doing it though.

    EDIT: To clarify, I’m basically agreeing with brorannosaurus… I’m not saying playing it in GPPs is necessarily the wrong decision. It could be that you build bad cash game lineups. But having one lineup that is +EV in both cash/GPPs is very, very hard these days.

    Lighting money on fire depends on the nightly volume and game selection. If someone is playing a total of $100 in cash games and tosses their LU into a $1 GPP, I don’t know if this profitable or not for a good cash player, but either way, it should be marginal, at worst, especially in NBA. Hell, it is better than putting 10 of those $100 into the huge double ups. Someone playing $50 in cash games tossing their LU into the featured $3 GPP is where I see your point.

    So, troveur, it is not beyond stupid for someone playing 20-25 $1 h2h/3-mans per night to not play their cash LU in a GPP. That said, I am with you in that there should be some way to max out within reason. The 100-mans are perfect for this. You can 25x with a score that may not 10x in a GPP.

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