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  • jester2trife

    Just curious to know if any sites disallow methods used by sharks? Guys like maxdalury and CSRram simply win by flooding contests and pure saturation. It takes no skill other than pointing and clicking in what they do. It’s guys like that and sites like DK not regulating their practices which is going to be the death knell of DFS as it will end up going the way of online poker. I profit more often than not, but that doesn’t change the shady tactics and business practices going on these sites. Are there any other sites than favor casual players who are doing this to entertainment value and not filled with hacks who simply take advantage of the rules. Thanks in advance…

  • carney259

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    Just out of curiosity, if the sharks are hacks whose only skill is the ability to flood contests, why do you think your chances are any worse playing against 500 lineups submitted by one “shark” as opposed to 1 lineup each from 500 small players.

  • MikeSos760

    This thread is going to become heated very quickly. Turn up the flames!

  • jester2trife

    Don’t want this to turn into a pissing contest, I’m just curious about other sites outside of DK and FD and peoples thoughts on them…

  • Jazzraz

    @jester2trife said...

    Just curious to know if any sites disallow methods used by sharks? Guys like maxdalury and CSRram simply win by flooding contests and pure saturation. It takes no skill other than pointing and clicking in what they do. It’s guys like that and sites like DK not regulating their practices which is going to be the death knell of DFS as it will end up going the way of online poker. I profit more often than not, but that doesn’t change the shady tactics and business practices going on these sites. Are there any other sites than favor casual players who are doing this to entertainment value and not filled with hacks who simply take advantage of the rules. Thanks in advance…

    What i never get about threads like this is if you really thought it was that simple why not just do it yourself? Since you’re guaranteed to win and profit it should be as easy as pointing and clicking right?

  • gobluetjg91

    If what the pros and sharks do is so easy, why isn’t everyone doing it? I imagine the stress and risk these big players get involved with is high.

  • dmiller10nc

    I recently started playing Aces and enjoy that site, but you still see big name players over there. They limit the entry numbers to a more reasonable amount, but obviously the contest/payouts are smaller. I have used Draftpot and Own the Play recently and don’t mind either of those as well. Decent overlay right now, but completely different elements (DP no salary cap, OTP real time ownership percentages). All the newer sites are offering pretty nice incentives right now so you might as well give them a shot.

  • jester2trife

    Thank you ^^^ I’ll check em out

  • deebarizo

    Ya, it’s really easy. Just point and click.

    I took out a big loan to increase my bankroll so I could copy maxdalury’s strategy of playing a ton of entries every day.

    You should try it. You’ll be rich in no time.

    I’m basically printing money with my big bankroll.

    I can’t believe how easy it is. Before, all I did was create one lineup a day. Kept losing.

    But then, once I got the loan, I just used the point and click strategy and the money started rolling in.

    Creating 100 lineups every day is so much easier than just 1 lineup.

    I mean, the skill required to build 100 solid lineups is so much lower than building 1 solid lineup. You wouldn’t believe it.

  • Cal

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    @jester2trife said...

    Guys like maxdalury and CSRram simply win by flooding contests and pure saturation.

    Jester, think about what you’re saying here. Others in this thread have already pointed it out – if it’s that easy everyone would be doing it and winning. These guys built their bankroll by being better than everyone else. They have an edge. Now that they’ve built their bankroll they can apply that edge across many contests.

    You can definitely argue that sites should lower limit entries per contest. You’d have a ton of support. You’re seeing sites constantly step in that direction and we’ll see it more and more in this new environment.

    Saying the best players are hacks or saying the sites are doing something shady by having large entry limits is just not correct and not constructive – it’s going to turn your thread into an argument and make it less likely you’ll get the kind of advice that you’re seeking.

  • misfit

    Try playing at some of the mid sized sites like fantasydraft.com, fantasyhub.com and even draftday.com.
    These are very winnable sites with tons of overlay weekly. You will do far better at these sites than competing against 400,000 other lineups at DK or FD. They offer more than enough contests to make them very profitable.
    Also try owntheplay.com. They post ownership percentages directly on the lineup pages as you build in real time. Have a nice instant bonus as well.

  • dmiller10nc

    @Cal said...

    Jester, think about what you’re saying here. Others in this thread have already pointed it out – if it’s that easy everyone would be doing it and winning. These guys built their bankroll by being better than everyone else. They have an edge. Now that they’ve built their bankroll they can apply that edge across many contests.

    You can definitely argue that sites should lower limit entries per contest. You’d have a ton of support. You’re seeing sites constantly step in that direction and we’ll see it more and more in this new environment.

    Saying the best players are hacks or saying the sites are doing something shady by having large entry limits is just not correct and not constructive – it’s going to turn your thread into an argument and make it less likely you’ll get the kind of advice that you’re seeking.

    Cal well said. I made my comment about different sites with the intent to keep this post on the right track and answering only the OPs original post/question. We don’t have to turn every post into a witch hunt and what is wrong with the dfs industry.

  • yoshi2132

    @deebarizo said...

    Ya, it’s really easy. Just point and click.

    I took out a big loan to increase my bankroll so I could copy maxdalury’s strategy of playing a ton of entries every day.

    You should try it. You’ll be rich in no time.

    I’m basically printing money with my big bankroll.

    I can’t believe how easy it is. Before, all I did was create one lineup a day. Kept losing.

    But then, once I got the loan, I just used the point and click strategy and the money started rolling in.

    Creating 100 lineups every day is so much easier than just 1 lineup.

    I mean, the skill required to build 100 solid lineups is so much lower than building 1 solid lineup. You wouldn’t believe it.

    Post of the year

  • deactivated70850

    To answer your question, “If what the pros and sharks do is so easy, why isn’t everyone doing it?” I would like to note that I could easily drop $400K on DFS every year, but it’s not in my best interest. DFS is a hobby for me, but not something I’m politically charged by. My life doesn’t revolve around DFS, although I still love certain sports and follow them rigorously without any fantasy-related activities connected to them. Also, people such as myself don’t find the need to feed a corrupt system anything more than what we deem necessary (each individual’s case varies) in accordance with that individual person. I know I’ll get the question, “so, why do you still play?” and my response is always going to be simple; it’s because I pay to use a service that I have interest in. I enjoy DFS and I’ve always been smart to allocate money into certain places like Fanduel and Draftkings, but nothing more than I feel they deserve, regardless of how much I make.

    Many people won’t understand my comment, but regardless of whether or not people agree with my view/opinion on the state of this topic, I’m going to express myself until a moderator tells me I’m out of line. Hopefully, people can respect my opinion and realize that not everybody is going to think the same in regards to certain DFS-related topics, including but not limited to the state of our playing fields.

    !My opinion may be offensive to some, so if you are of the notion that I’m out of line, then it’s better to ignore and move along. Thanks for understanding and respecting my utilization of the 1st amendment in a peaceful manner!

  • beast8812

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    These post confuse the crap out of me. There are single entry GPP’s and various other games like double ups that are single entry also. It’s not like there are no single entry options on the big sites. If you want to only play one maxdalury lineup then play single entry. I enter anywhere from 1 to 20 lineups depending on the day. The option for me to enter 20 lineups shouldn’t be taken away because people don’t like it. When I enter a multi-entry 50k person GPP I know what I’m getting into. When I play a 100 person single entry double up I also know I don’t have to worry about someone’s train passing me by either. If you don’t want to be in those contest with multi entry don’t play them. Single entry is available. No one is making you play a contest with 200 maxdalury lineups.

  • Olhausen

    @jester2trife said...

    Just curious to know if any sites disallow methods used by sharks? Guys like maxdalury and CSRram simply win by flooding contests and pure saturation. It takes no skill other than pointing and clicking in what they do. It’s guys like that and sites like DK not regulating their practices which is going to be the death knell of DFS as it will end up going the way of online poker. I profit more often than not, but that doesn’t change the shady tactics and business practices going on these sites. Are there any other sites than favor casual players who are doing this to entertainment value and not filled with hacks who simply take advantage of the rules. Thanks in advance…

    It’s posts like this one that absolutely make my blood boil. First of all you clearly aren’t winning anything. Because if you were then you’d know how much skill,time and research it takes to win these tournaments. The reason posts like these make me so mad is that I was losing when I first started playing Dfs. But instead of saying the contest aren’t fair and hoping someone would make them easier for me, I instead put a ton of time and effort into being the best I could at Dfs. So now that I’m winning I clearly can see it isn’t luck and that it truly is a skill based game. I never do more then 10-20 lineup’s at most and that takes me a lot of time if I want to actually do good and make a profit. So I can’t imagine how hard doing hundreds of lineup’s a day would be but it’s certainly not pointing and clicking and then making easy money. I’m now doing NHL and NBA since baseball is over and I’m getting my but handed to me in NBA. But I’m not going to cry and say how it’s unfair just because I’m not good at NBA yet. And that is literally what you and many other people are doing. you aren’t winning so you point fingers at the games best players and bitch that they can afford more lineup’s then you. If you could do it then join the quarter arcade and put your money where your mouth is. Because if it’s truly that easy you should profit in the quarter arcade and move up like Max in no time. If not then start working on improving instead of posting complete nonsense like this.

  • vino24

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    @Olhausen said...

    So I can’t imagine how hard doing hundreds of lineup’s a day would be but it’s certainly not pointing and clicking and then making easy money.

    I can’t imagine how hard it is for their computers to spit out hundreds of lineups and then clicking 1 button to import them

  • n1ck111

    @Olhausen said...

    But instead of saying the contest aren’t fair and hoping someone would make them easier for me, I instead put a ton of time and effort into being the best I could at Dfs.

    I find this to be very true in life in general. If one constantly points to reasons outside of themselves for not succeeding then they have no control over the situation. The mindset of the problem being outside of one’s control hinders success.

    EDIT: I realized after the fact that the poster may just want to play a game with different rules so my post isn’t necessarily relevant to his case.

  • polarns

    @daytrad3r4yfe said...

    I would like to note that I could easily drop $400K on DFS every year

    Solid humblebrag

  • AtGame7

    @Olhausen said...

    So I can’t imagine how hard doing hundreds of lineup’s a day would be but it’s certainly not pointing and clicking and then making easy money.

    While you are correct in the big picture, let’s not try to fool anyone into thinking a lot of those lineups aren’t computer generated. There is zero chance I believe any of the top players are scratching out 100 unique lineups one at a time.

    I think they do more than generate the optimal lineup and run it through RG’s lineup generator and put those 100 lineups in a contest. Again, let’s not act like they wake up at 5:00 AM and pour over numbers, websites, tweet, etc… until 7:00 PM lineup lock.

    Everyone wears the “do your research” excuse like a badge of honor. I really think the forum is going to be full of Merrill “I watched 200 hours of tape yesterday” Hodge’s from the Sunday Matchup show soon, “I did 45 hours of research this afternoon for the 7:00 slate and another 72 hours for the turbo slate and I’m on hour 999 for the early only CFB slate”.

    I mean, come on. ANYONE thinking the majority of the pros lienups are not computer generated are fooling themselves.

  • n1ck111

    @AtGame7 said...

    I mean, come on. ANYONE thinking the majority of the pros lienups are not computer generated are fooling themselves.

    What’s interesting is we take for granted just how much we all are assisted by a computer for both our memory and processing ability. It seems like the only argument really is where one wants to draw the line and how much responsibility is left to the computer over the user.

  • AtGame7

    @n1ck111 said...

    What’s interesting is we take for granted just how much we all are assisted by a computer for both our memory and processing ability. It seems like the only argument really is where one wants to draw the line and how much responsibility is left to the computer over the user.

    I’m hoping my comment is not misunderstood that I think the better players simply have better programs/spreadsheets. I think they do, but I also think they have the skill to use the data better than the rest of us.

    My point was I don’t think the argument around putting in 100 hours of research everyday is why the top players win and the “research” excuse is vastly over-used.

  • iSplashRollz

    @vino24 said...

    I can’t imagine how hard it is for their computers to spit out hundreds of lineups and then clicking 1 button to import them

    Careful, his blood will start boiling…

  • n1ck111

    @AtGame7 said...

    I’m hoping my comment is not misunderstood that I think the better players simply have better programs/spreadsheets. I think they do, but I also think they have the skill to use the data better than the rest of us.

    My point was I don’t think the argument around putting in 100 hours of research everyday is why the top players win and the “research” excuse is vastly over-used.

    They have to maintain their edge so whether it is by researching tape, numbers, or managing a team of programmers/analysts, I can only speculate that they are putting their time in. Otherwise that edge will quickly disappear to their competition.

  • einars

    @jester2trife said...

    Guys like maxdalury and CSRram simply win by flooding contests and pure saturation. It takes no skill

    your premise is asinine and blatantly false therefore the question is a complete troll.

    however if you want a real answer. In my experience, the smaller sites have a higher percentage of massive multi entry players in the playerpool, but that is more a result of a much much smaller playerpool on those sites compared to FD and DK

  • Olhausen

    @AtGame7 said...

    I’m hoping my comment is not misunderstood that I think the better players simply have better programs/spreadsheets. I think they do, but I also think they have the skill to use the data better than the rest of us.

    My point was I don’t think the argument around putting in 100 hours of research everyday is why the top players win and the “research” excuse is vastly over-used.

    Your comment is not misunderstood at all. I understand completely about the scripts these pros have and I’m not denying that. You still have to be damn good to win consistently in Dfs with or without a computer/ script. I’m not even saying it should be allowed in the future although I personally could care less one way or the other. The thing that makes me mad is when people like the op say how easy it is and how they could do it with more money and multiple lineup’s or how it’s all luck. I say bull shit! I am not a mass multiple entry player and in fact most nights I only do 10 lineup’s a night. Yet I still have won tournaments and I’m constantly finishing high no matter how many lineup’s or scripts someone else has. That’s why I’m saying my blood boils, because when other players who lose start throwing out luck and foul play or scandal, It then discredits the good players who know how much skill and not luck it actually takes. You absolutely can win with 5-10 lineup’s and 20-30$ a night if you are a good player. I’m sick of losing players making excuses to make up for the fact they suck and not wanting to take any responsibility for their own poor play. That’s why I’m mad but yes I know max and other sharks aren’t putting their lineup’s in by hand like myself and many others but like I said I don’t care either way. Also I was not directing any of this at you game7 and I certainly am not calling you a losing player.

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