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  • jester2trife

    Just curious to know if any sites disallow methods used by sharks? Guys like maxdalury and CSRram simply win by flooding contests and pure saturation. It takes no skill other than pointing and clicking in what they do. It’s guys like that and sites like DK not regulating their practices which is going to be the death knell of DFS as it will end up going the way of online poker. I profit more often than not, but that doesn’t change the shady tactics and business practices going on these sites. Are there any other sites than favor casual players who are doing this to entertainment value and not filled with hacks who simply take advantage of the rules. Thanks in advance…

  • Olhausen

    @iSplashRollz said...

    Careful, his blood will start boiling…

    Smart ass!

  • Redskins4

    FantasyDraft is the only site that has a truly even playing field, in my opinion. They have very low max entries on all GPPs.

    And yes having a ton of entries in a GPPs is a huge advantage, for an illustration of that you can look at Joan Ginther, she has a PHD in statistics from Stanford and she has won huge lottery jackpots four times and she will buy $400,000 in tickets sometimes, multi entering the lottery for the win.

  • n1ck111

    @Redskins4 said...

    And yes having a ton of entries in a GPPs is a huge advantage, for an illustration of that you can look at Joan Ginther, she has a PHD in statistics from Stanford and she has won huge lottery jackpots four times and she will buy $400,000 in tickets sometimes, multi entering the lottery for the win.

    This blanket statement isn’t true. If you dig deeper she used math to take advantage of specific game rules. It’s like saying that I entered a GPP with a ton of overlay and I entered all the entries and got a huge ROI. Of course I would.

    To illustrate, if you enter 500 random entries into a GPP you are going to get 500 random results back. If you coerce those picks to use worse players then the field , your overall chance of success decreases and vice versa they will increase if the majority of those players perform.

    EDIT: The strength of field is probably greater than a random algorithm so even the first example you should be at a disadvantage (-EV). It’s interesting when you add overlay to these equations though :)

  • Olhausen

    @Redskins4 said...

    FantasyDraft is the only site that has a truly even playing field, in my opinion. They have very low max entries on all GPPs.

    And yes having a ton of entries in a GPPs is a huge advantage, for an illustration of that you can look at Joan Ginther, she has a PHD in statistics from Stanford and she has won huge lottery jackpots four times and she will buy $400,000 in tickets sometimes, multi entering the lottery for the win.

    The lottery and Dfs are two completely different things. If you’re not good you can put a million lineup’s in and you will still lose at Dfs. Some of those lineup’s might be ok or even finish high up but you will end up losing money because you had to spend so much money just to get a few of those lineup’s to hit. People seem to forget that part when these guys put in hundreds of lineup’s. Even if one of them hits how much money are they really making most nights? Obviously every once in a while they hit the top of multiple tournaments in one night and make a bunch of money. But most nights they don’t and it has no bearing on how you or I will finish. I have yet to have a night where I finished 10th instead of second because of a shark. I’ve had plenty of nights where I finished way out of the cash line and I only had myself to blame. Not sharks or thier scripts or their hundreds of lineup’s. Im just saying as a low dollar low entry player you can win consistently and it doesn’t matter what the sharks are doing. I will keep saying this till I turn blue in the face because I know it’s true. I’m doing it and the players that are complaining the most aren’t. If they were winning they wouldn’t care what the sharks are doing either. But they aren’t winning and a lot of them are using excuses as to why they aren’t instead of trying to get better themselves.

  • AtGame7

    @Olhausen said...

    Also I was not directing any of this at you game7 and I certainly am not calling you a losing player.

    Well, you would be missing an opportunity to be correct, then. I am certainly a losing player. I make no bones about it and have asked for help on the forum a number of times. I do not, have not and will not blame the way the sharks play for my losing. I will, however cite that I have been in a number of 20 man 50/50 contests and finished 11th-13th only to see CSURams and Max at the top of the list. These are sub $5 games mind you.

    Now, I could absolutely draw the conclusion that I didn’t cash in those cases because of the sharks dumpster diving. However, I also realize a couple other valid points exist. First, there were eight other players I could have beat to cash and didn’t.

    Second, I don’t know that the people who would have taken their places if they hadn’t played would not have beaten me as well.

    The blame for not cashing rests on my shoulders alone, I need to get better and am certainly trying. I also don’t think it’s too much of a stretch to think I have a better chance with the sharks not in those games.

  • Olhausen

    @AtGame7 said...

    Well, you would be missing an opportunity to be correct, then. I am certainly a losing player. I make no bones about it and have asked for help on the forum a number of times. I do not, have not and will not blame the way the sharks play for my losing. I will, however cite that I have been in a number of 20 man 50/50 contests and finished 11th-13th only to see CSURams and Max at the top of the list. These are sub $5 games mind you.

    Now, I could absolutely draw the conclusion that I didn’t cash in those cases because of the sharks dumpster diving. However, I also realize a couple other valid points exist. First, there were eight other players I could have beat to cash and didn’t.

    Second, I don’t know that the people who would have taken their places if they hadn’t played would not have beaten me as well.

    The blame for not cashing rests on my shoulders alone, I need to get better and am certainly trying. I also don’t think it’s too much of a stretch to think I have a better chance with the sharks not in those games.

    You know I don’t play cash games so I guess I kind of forget that it’s a pain in the ass when sharks join the low dollar games. I do think it’s a little overboard when they play the quarter-3$ games but it isn’t breaking the rules as of now. It did piss me off when I would see a shark pass me in the arcade with lineup 150 but that’s also what pushes me to get better. I started taking down the quarter arcades frequently with my 10 lineup’s to their 2-300. So I guess that’s where I get mad when people say they can’t win with the sharks playing so many lineup’s or that the game is all luck. It’s not luck and we can beat them even if we only do 10 lineup’s a night. Just got to keep trying to get better at it

  • Texxdogg

    I am much more worried about sites being able to make fake players using “shark” lineup information to increase their rake.

  • Olhausen

    @Texxdogg said...

    I am much more worried about sites being able to make fake players using “shark” lineup information to increase their rake.

    Yeah and the world is going to end soon also.

  • AtGame7

    @Olhausen said...

    Yeah and the world is going to end soon also.

    Well, then, in the big picture we really shouldn’t be worried about this. Cool.

  • ksinn2

    In NBA I used to enter 50-100 LUs by hand, it was very time consuming, but not THAT bad on FD. Due to the “duplicate Line Up” feature. It went pretty fast, just subbing out one or two players per LU. More difficult on DK becuase you had to Import the LU into a new/same contest. It was a few extra clicks which over the course of 100 Lus was a very time consuming process. Manually setting up software to spit out line ups is ALSO pretty time consuming, you still need to do the research and select the 50 odd players you want the LUs to be made of. Personally I think Olhausen’s strategy is sound. He researches the hell out of it and makes 10-15 LU’s. This is A LOT less stressful in NBA. MLB and NFL different beasts. Those people that kick out 200+ LU’s, my hat is off to you, you have built a system that works. I tried my hand at model building, and as soon as my computer learns “common sense” I’ll be in the high cotton!

  • n1ck111

    @Texxdogg said...

    I am much more worried about sites being able to make fake players using “shark” lineup information to increase their rake.

    Or their programmers stealing lineup info from the sharks to use on friend’s accounts. There is certainly a lot of areas where things could potentially be compromised. It would be nice if there was a way for the community to police this action (similar to the open source community policing holes in software) rather than any governmental or private organization stepping in. All they seem to do it is just make matters worse, taking away freedom and allowing more opportunity for corruption.

  • n1ck111

    All that being said I think any foul play is currently so minimal or non-existent that it is not anything to worry much about. The ability to be successful is there.

  • JustGetMetoSunday

    For what it’s worth, and getting back on topic, I’ve had some line-ups that have done horribly on FD, but still somehow cashed on Yahoo. The top prizes are much less, but in my experience (7 weeks of NFL this season), it’s way easier to simply cash on Yahoo, the pay lines are much lower, in my limited experience.

    If you are chasing big money, stick to FD and DK, but if all you care about is having a little fun turning $2 into $4 every week, go to Yahoo…

  • Richebee

    You will lose on all sites because you obviously suck at DFS

  • mannmicj

    Here we go again. All sites have an even playing field, because YOU are ultimately responsible for YOUR roster construction and contest selection. Moving on…..

  • jcblanco22

    OwnThePlay has a number of features that go to the heart of the level playing field issue: http://dailyfantasynews.com/inside-owntheplays-plan-to-level-the-playing-field-between-pros-and-amateurs

  • glennantz

    What you don’t here about is all the times that multi lineup players loose a lot of money when none of them cash.

  • mitchyslacks

    @Richebee said...

    You will lose on all sites because you obviously suck at DFS

    Reading the replies in threads like these make me so very happy that anybody that was winning money at this will soon be losing that opportunity, and that anybody who was losing money will be losing their opportunity to be someone else’s sucker.

    I’ve never seen so many dickheads in my life than what I saw on these boards. To those of you that treat others with respect and tried to help their games, thank you, and I apologize. For the rest of you, I’m so glad you’re losing your little “hobby”.

    Most of you should be happy that this obviously rigged game is disappearing.

  • tvsfrink

    @glennantz said...

    What you don’t here about is all the times that multi lineup players loose a lot of money when none of them cash.

    As a small-stakes/single-entry player, I often debate if playing single-entry or multi-entry makes more sense. Single-entry limits my exposure to pro lineups….but multi-entry contests seem to have a lot of bad multi-entry lineups. I’m not sure it actually matters.

  • JaNelson38

    What a “pro” does or doesnt do regarding how many lineups or entries they submit in a GPP doesnt prevent you from building a lineup that can win. When I put together a GPP lineup, my first thought isnt, “Well, maxdalury is going to have 200 entries in this GPP, so Im not going to bother playing…” Thats ridiculous. Ive beaten a lot of these pros many times, both in GPPs and in cash games. Why? Because nothing they do in the contests they play prevent you from putting together a winning lineup.

    That’s the bottom line – in the end, its all about YOU putting out the best lineup you think you can. Being envious or jealous of a “pro” who can hammer out a lot of multiple lineups because they simply have a bigger bankroll than you doesnt help you create winning lineups or make money. And then it just sounds like sour grapes. These “pros” who hammer out these lineups lose plenty. And a lot.

  • tvsfrink

    @JaNelson38 said...

    Being envious or jealous of a “pro” who can hammer out a lot of multiple lineups because they simply have a bigger bankroll than you doesnt help you create winning lineups or make money.

    Is the pro just a pro because of his bankroll? I doubt that.

  • JaNelson38

    @tvsfrink said...

    Is the pro just a pro because of his bankroll? I doubt that.

    Of course not. But apparently that’s the case with a lot of people who complain about those type of people who field a large # of entries.

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