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  • awesemo

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    Hey I know that Fanduel is considering changes regarding it’s head to head games and I wanted to make a post here to build more support for a method of restricting players from abuse of head to heads.

    Fanduel made a good step by introducing a 250 game limit for the lower stakes recently, but what I didn’t realize at the time is that this is proportionally less effective at the less popular sports like NHL, where there are fewer contests available. In particular there is one player who exploits the rules more than most. Yesterday I decided to conduct a test where I would post head to head contests at the $5 level and see how many I would have to post before this player would stop scooping every single one of my contests and I could finally play some other players in the head to head games. Here are the results: http://i.imgur.com/BHreNRs.png . I had to post more than 75 games before I could finally get him to stop joining my games and get other people to join them. This is not within the capabilities of an average player.

    I think Fanduel is doing a lot of great things, and introducing some change to restrict head to head abuse could be a great next step to improving the player experience on their site.

  • lionssuck

    It’s a low priority to their players according to the fanduel rep, but I wish they would institute something similar to what DK has where you can limit how many times a player can take your games at each buy in level. So, I will continue to play all of my h2h games on DK. I personally would rather face 40 or 50 unique players at each buy in level in a h2h then face 200 team trains in the big double ups or play more in the all or nothing 50/50’s.

    It seems to me that it would generate more churn & greater total rake for them if more people did this, since chances are that on nights that you would lose in all of your 50/50’s you would probably win at least a few of your h2h’s & use those winnings to play again tomorrow, rather then having a total loss in 50/50’s that night. Doesn’t seem like they will be changing it any time soon though which is a shame

  • srolleDFS

    dont see how this is abuse.

    you posted a game inviting anyone in the world to play with you. he wanted to play you. then you did it over and over and over again. obviously you are a user is capable of playing 86 H2H’s against the same person. so is the user that played you. don’t see much wrong here.

    maybe you’d prefer if there was a gentleman’s agreement amongst regs not to play each other? unfort, there isn’t. think this guy was being pretty reasonable for playing you.

    maybe don’t post so many games next time. good luck.

  • awesemo

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    I only posted 100 head to heads as an experiment, I don’t regularly do that. Usually I’ll post 10 $5 contests, hoping to play 10 different people; if I wanted to play one person for $50 I would post a $50 head to head.

    Maybe I’m being unreasonable in applying this analogy, but if there are people out there scooping every single game from a guy who is winning money overall, then I can only imagine what happens when weaker players post their head to heads. This kind of behavior makes the site less inviting and could cause some players to get frustrated and quit, in addition I assume most players want some sort of selection when it comes to choosing a match. It’s abuse because this kind of behavior makes the website experience worse for everyone by turning these players off to playing the game.

  • kaetorade

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    @umaebitz said...

    I only posted 100 head to heads as an experiment, I don’t regularly do that. Usually I’ll post 10 $5 contests, hoping to play 10 different people; if I wanted to play one person for $50 I would post a $50 head to head.

    Maybe I’m being unreasonable in applying this analogy, but if there are people out there scooping every single game from a guy who is winning money overall, then I can only imagine what happens when weaker players post their head to heads. This kind of behavior makes the site less inviting and could cause some players to get frustrated and quit. It’s abuse because this kind of behavior makes the website experience worse for everyone by turning these players off to playing the game.

    Fortunately, we have a lot of options. Many have voiced the same complaint, but you need to vote with your money.

  • ravedown

    The simple fix would be to do what DK does and just be able to limit how many games a player can take of yours. Wish FD would do that, seems highly unlikely though

  • ivymoose

    Agree, Fanduel has to change this. Even posting one h2h at different intervals does not work, if they want to play you, they will find you. Should not be so difficult to simply add the option like DK to post x amount of h2hs and limit one entry per opponent.

  • priceisrite

    Why don’t they just make h2h random? . Select a buyin level and get matched at random with someone who signed up at the same level. Allow users to have a block list so they can block players they don’t want to get matched against.

  • sethayates

    @priceisrite said...

    Why don’t they just make h2h random? . Select a buyin level and get matched at random with someone who signed up at the same level. Allow users to have a block list so they can block players they don’t want to get matched against.

    The problem would be how do you keep your high volume guys happy while also truly randomizing H2Hs?

    Let’s say Saahilsud wants to play 100 H2Hs at $1. There are 100 other people that want to play a $1 H2H as well. From the site’s perspective matching everyone against saahil would give you the most rake. If saahil only gets two of the H2Hs and the other 98 people play each other you just lost out on 98 games saahil would have played.

  • smallANDflaccid

    seth, can you please stop using reason and logic on the internet, it is unbecoming and ill placed

  • DKfromBK

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    I’m interested in understanding the various opinions on this topic as well. Email me how H2Hs could be the most fun and competitive experience on FanDuel.

    deva@fanduel.com

  • extremeneon01

    I certainly agree with you on this topic. That guy has really angered me in the past. That is why I stopped playing H2H’s. Fanduel really needs to start limiting how many you can play against one player. It isn’t fair to the new players to get scooped up by players who are CONSTANTLY on and a lot better. This will only deter more players away from the game.

  • britdevine

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    As we move more towards regulation and even playing fields, its clear FD needs to do something to the H2H lobby.

    They have always been reluctant to change the H2H format due to the cut in revenues it would bring, but the industry is now at a time where they can sustain it, and with all the eyes looking at it, seems like a solid time to bring some changes.

  • dude_abides7

    @britdevine said...

    As we move more towards regulation and even playing fields, its clear FD needs to do something to the H2H lobby.

    They have always been reluctant to change the H2H format due to the cut in revenues it would bring, but the industry is now at a time where they can sustain it, and with all the eyes looking at it, seems like a solid time to bring some changes.

    This makes too much sense. And that is precisely why it likely won’t happen.

  • Mattg45

    I agree, i was turned off head2heads whenbi started playing dfs but at this point I have no intention of playing head to head anymore, I just stick to 50/50s and double ups

  • saulgoodman

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    umae:

    one option would be to stop sucking and start making some good lineups so you don’t get scooped.
    good luck.

  • DCoop328

    Random h2hs are definitely not the option. You would just be trading rake with sharks at that point. Thats why people always cancel their unfilled head to heads at 6:58

  • tommythebull123

    i wish the wouldnt have a limit on lower buy ins i like playing fish they need to bring wins back does anyone know if they will do that

  • awesemo

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    Saul the problem is that for most people stopping sucking is not an option. I don’t think that those people should have to play a top 10 NHL player if they want to play a $5 heads up match.

  • haze28

    Fanduel has allowed their H2H lobby to be exploited for years. I’m sure a search of the forums will find discussions on this since RG’s inception. I only play H2H in NFL because it’s not worth me stressing about in the other sports. I have more success and fun playing smaller GPPs on smaller sites than dealing with cash games.

  • billsfan777

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    @saulgoodman said...

    umae:

    one option would be to stop sucking and start making some good lineups so you don’t get scooped.
    good luck.

    Stop sucking? Seriously. This is NHL. This is a sport where you succeed long term against bad players by using good picks. When you face one guy each night who has an unlimited bankroll it is kind of hard for anyone to grow their money. I just lost all my head to heads because of a penalty shot goal in overtime. Next time I’ll try to “suck less” to prevent myself from fading that guy who will get a penalty shot in OT as well as the goalie on his team. This is clearly a problem that FD needs to be addressed and it is the main reason I rarely play on their site anymore.

  • billsfan777

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    Monsterrallytrux beat me tonight and while I can take this loss, most new players can’t. I seriously question how fanduel thinks this is positive for their business? Literally every new player has to face the same guy and when he has a good night it wipes off plenty of new players. I have barely played on fanduel since I became a victim of endless scooping in MLB, and while I decided to play tonight, I will not play in another fanduel contest until h2h scooping is blocked. It is a waste of my time and a trade of rake long term, unless I am lucky or unlucky. There is nothing positive about fd’s h2h system. It is outdated and stupid. Simple.

  • BeltWieldindad

    @saulgoodman said...

    umae:

    one option would be to stop sucking and start making some good lineups so you don’t get scooped.
    good luck.

    yes, because how good you are has anything to do with nerds like kcannon using scripts to instantly scoop any h2h or monstertruckman taking any h2h he can get his greedy little hands on lol. For someone who was once on the RG team, your response is pathetic at best.

  • saulgoodman

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    all the bads get angry when they get told they’re bad. beltwieldindad proving himself to be no exception. sorry man

  • anilprao88

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    Fanduel is going to do what they can to maximize rake. Whether you or I feels it is unfair is irrelevant. If they thought they would lose too many players with their current rules, they would have changed the rules. They don’t exist to cater to you; all they care about is maximizing their bottom line (current and future). That’s the way it is and the way it should be. Bitching will do nothing, but changing sites might do something. Either fanduel is run by idiots (likely not), or they realize that they aren’t losing enough players by allowing scooping to make it better for them to prevent it.

  • BeltWieldindad

    @saulgoodman said...

    all the bads get angry when they get told they’re bad. beltwieldindad proving himself to be no exception. sorry man

    https://gyazo.com/ec004cfa67c99eb85befcd35f79aedb2

    you got a winning % of 41.3 vs someone who is “bad”…what does that make you? lmao you’re a joke.

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