INDUSTRY FORUM

Comments

  • seth1374

    Rotogrinders has decided to provide Yahoo content and Brit Devine provides the expert picks I have never seen Brit in cash games or GPPs over there. Yahoo is a unique site with a different scoring, salary structure if you don’t play on the site you really cannot be an expert at the site. Additionally, there are at least 10-20 RG contributors and talent that play over there regularly and do well, why are they not writing the article?

  • depalma13

    If you live with in Florida you can’t play on Yahoo.

  • britdevine

    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    Seth,

    I know you like to take shots at RG any chance you can, so I’ll make this brief.

    Maybe you are mad I’ve gotten the best of you when you take my H2H’s everyday on FD? I still don’t understand why you do this but it’s very welcome on my end. Don’t think as a professional player I don’t notice these things.

    While I do play on Yahoo some, I certainly don’t play there every night, I do enjoy the big Friday GPP they tend to run that overlays. however I do spend plenty of time on my Yahoo article when it’s my turn to write it on Tuesdays and Fridays.

    If you don’t think I tailor all my articles to the very unique scoring systems or roster constructions on Yahoo you would be severely mistaken. I’ve had multiple people throughout the season both in RG chat during a show or in private say “Hey Brit, nice job on the Yahoo article today”.

    if you ever want to chat Seth, feel free to send me a message here. No hard feelings here on my end and would love to actually have a conversation with you to better understand the trolling you tend to show towards myself and others here at RG.

    -Brit

  • seth1374

    I am honored you know who I am. I don’t troll RG people really just you. And I think if you write the article you should be playing every day on the site.

  • sochoice

    • 2017 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    • 2017 FanDuel WFFC Champion

    @seth1374 said...

    I am honored you know who I am. I don’t troll RG people really just you. And I think if you write the article you should be playing every day on the site.

    Looks like someone has a RG crush….. Why else would someone take a shot over something that isn’t anything?

  • gje627

    Just a general observation about this thread and others like it.

    It seems to me if someone, based on limited information or only pure speculation, has a problem with RG staff, rather than playing the “gotcha” game, the adult thing to do would be to send this person a private message with your concerns before making wild and unfounded accusations in the forums.

    In nearly each instance, I’m almost certain you will find nothing nefarious is going on.

    If in fact there is a legitimate concern, I’m also nearly as certain that RG staff will bend over backwards to make things right.

    In any event, in my opinion anyways, threads like this only seem designed to stir-the-pot and not to solve a legitimate problem…. And they only make the OP sound petty and vindictive.

  • jakz101

    • $1M Prize Winner

    • x5

      2015 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    @gje627 said...

    Just a general observation about this thread and others like it.

    It seems to me if someone, based on limited information or only pure speculation, has a problem with RG staff, rather than playing the “gotcha” game, the adult thing to do would be to send this person a private message with your concerns before making wild and unfounded accusations in the forums.

    In nearly each instance, I’m almost certain you will find nothing nefarious is going on.

    If in fact there is a legitimate concern, I’m also nearly as certain that RG staff will bend over backwards to make things right.

    In any event, in my opinion anyways, threads like this only seem designed to stir-the-pot and not to solve a legitimate problem…. And they only make the OP sound petty and vindictive.

    Trolls gonna troll.

  • seth1374

    Poorly researched Brit acknowledged in his original statement that he barely plays on the site but yea I’m the bad guy for pointing out

  • hendry

    fwiw i actually don’t think its a horrible point made by seth. While i don’t care at all about whos writing articles and what they are playing, i would think that most RG members would assume that those providing these articles actually play on the site. I tend to think that they don’t actually need to be playing on the site to write a good article, but I don’t think this is “just trolling”.

  • herberh2

    As someone who managed affiliate relationships for DFS sites (Rosters and OwnThePlay), I requested that anyone who create content for us regularly play on our site for the exact reason that that OP outlined. This is an incredibly valid point and I dont see the argument against it to be honest.

    If you put in all the research to write the content and you are a professional player, how is it not worth your time to enter some lineups? All of the work is in the research! At a minimum you could enter the big GPP’s on the site or one cash game lineup to allow for easy management.

  • Njsum1

    I’ll weigh in cause I’m bored. Who cares if someone writes articles for a site they don’t play on? Why does that matter in the slightest? I’m not a premium member, yet I wouldn’t care if someone writes an article and doesn’t play DFS at all as long as it’s clear the writer knows his or her subject matter.

    Don’t people complain all the time about the conflict of interest in taking advice from someone competing against them? So one would think, they might want advice from someone who plays less often on a site they play regularly. I’m an infrequent yahoo player as well, and I have seen Brits name a couple of times, so I’m going to have to assume he plays there often enough to have an understanding of the salary and scoring system to offer advice.

  • herberh2

    It adds validity to play there everyday. The more familiar you are with the structure and ownership tendencies on a platform, the better your content will be.

    Sure, you could follow all of that without playing, but for an outsider looking in it becomes more believable that the author is in tune will all of those nuances if they play everyday.

  • bhdevault

    • Lead Moderator

    • Blogger of the Month

    @herberh2 said...

    It adds validity to play there everyday. The more familiar you are with the structure and ownership tendencies on a platform, the better your content will be.

    Sure, you could follow all of that without playing, but for an outsider looking in it becomes more believable that the author is in tune will all of those nuances if they play everyday.

    That’s an opinion, no?

    I actually agree with Njsum1 said. But again, that’s my opinion, not a fact.

    I’m going to assume Brit plays almost daily. Roster construction is pretty similar on all the sites, it’s just a matter of finding who’s salaries fit where. In fact, the top players always seem to know the different salaries across the industry, and I’ve even heard Brit mention it on his shows. I’m pretty confident in saying even if he chooses not to play on a site and instead chooses another site, his picks would be similar on either.

    Now if an ‘expert’ wasn’t playing anywhere, that’s a whole different topic.

  • tbird05

    I’m good with “experts” whose articles I read that aren’t competing against me to win the same money that I’m trying to win.

  • drewcrawford03

    • 2019 FanDuel FantaSea Finalist

    • 237

      RG Overall Ranking

    • 2018 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    Rather unprofessional re-buttle from a “professional”.

  • slicktornewman

    @bhdevault said...

    Roster construction is pretty similar on all the sites

    Really?? I must be doing it wrong then.

  • herberh2

    Is it really an opinion to say that it adds validity? I’m not saying that he doesn’t have the expertise and knowledge to write about Yahoo without regularly playing there, I am just saying that it adds to his validity if it does.

    I guess I just dont understand how if I am presented with the options of

    - an expert regularly playing on the platform he is creating content for

    - NOT regularly playing on the platform he is creating content for

    Why would I ever choose not? Are you arguing that you would? If so, why?

  • awilson45

    2 things:

    1) if you don’t like him/his picks don’t read his articles
    2) if I were spending extensive time researching and writing articles catered to a specific site I would ABSOLUTELY be playing on said site every time I posted an article. How can you give recommendations on players if you aren’t even invested in them?

  • tomac

    @jakz101 said...

    Trolls gonna troll.

    Not sure this is a trolling situation.

  • tbird05

    @herberh2 said...

    Is it really an opinion to say that it adds validity? I’m not saying that he doesn’t have the expertise and knowledge to write about Yahoo without regularly playing there, I am just saying that it adds to his validity if it does.

    I guess I just dont understand how if I am presented with the options of

    - an expert regularly playing on the platform he is creating content for

    - NOT regularly playing on the platform he is creating content for

    Why would I ever choose not? Are you arguing that you would? If so, why?

    The problem with this thread is that it lacks substance. The OP hasn’t provided one example that the content creator is missing some of the minor nuances of Yahoo scoring and is therefore giving poor advice.

    I’m also of the opinion that you don’t necessary have to play on the site to be able to provide daily valuable insight into a slate. Yes…I like when experts aren’t playing in the same contests that I am for obvious reasons.

  • Benf15harp

    The multiple air quotes of expert(s) is hilarious.
    Earlier in the day somewhere on the coast in Southern California
    You: what’s a good pitcher and hitter for tonight’s dk slate?
    Me: play mad max and Khris Davis
    Several hours later
    You: wow, you’re an “expert”
    Me: I know. 🤪

  • SkateFiend

    @bhdevault said...

    That’s an opinion, no?

    I actually agree with Njsum1 said. But again, that’s my opinion, not a fact.

    I’m going to assume Brit plays almost daily. Roster construction is pretty similar on all the sites, it’s just a matter of finding who’s salaries fit where. In fact, the top players always seem to know the different salaries across the industry, and I’ve even heard Brit mention it on his shows. I’m pretty confident in saying even if he chooses not to play on a site and instead chooses another site, his picks would be similar on either.

    Now if an ‘expert’ wasn’t playing anywhere, that’s a whole different topic.

    Most of my DFS action is at yahoo. I actually prefer roster construction there compared to DK and FD. It does feel different to me – I would even say it’s better.

    Yahoo pricing allows me to spend the maximum on pitching (let’s say Scherzer and Sale) and still come up with an offense that’s halfway decent. At DK most hitters under 2,700 bucks are back up catchers, utility players or stuck in the minors. At yahoo you can find hitters like Harrison Bader or Chad Pinder for under 8 bucks. Dustin Fowler was 7 bucks not that long ago. I’m looking at their player pool now and Yairo Munoz, Jose Peraza and Didi Gregorius are all 10 bucks.

    I don’t think you have to play at Yahoo all the time to write Yahoo content. You’ll catch on quick that Yahoo will always have someone like Albert Almora Jr priced no differently than nobodies like Carlos Perez. If and when Yahoo content is free here, I’ll probably check it out.

  • seth1374

    @tbird05 said...

    The problem with this thread is that it lacks substance. The OP hasn’t provided one example that the content creator is missing some of the minor nuances of Yahoo scoring and is therefore giving poor advice.

    I’m also of the opinion that you don’t necessary have to play on the site to be able to provide daily valuable insight into a slate. Yes…I like when experts aren’t playing in the same contests that I am for obvious reasons.

    I don’t subscribe to yahoo premium but do to FD and DK and the content is well done (I know Brit says I troll all of RG). I was actually looking to spend the extra 30 to get some yahoo specific contest I play over there a ton, and then I saw Brit who I have never seen over there writing the contest and I have zero interest. I bet a lot of other players think the same thing. By the way if you say “Roster construction” and “Pricing are similar” when discussing yahoo, it lets me know you are not playing over there. As for finding specific evidence of this, I don’t care enough about it, to get Brit’s article and mine for gold

  • old_T

    • 2016 DraftKings FHWC Finalist

    “Love” how Brit’s response completely validates the OP’s concerns, but the tone is as if he’s talking down to the OP. Brit never handles criticism in stride. Always give the “I’m a pro so obv you are stupid for even questioning me or my methods” type response.

    The guy asks a legit question and Brit’s response is to criticize his DFS ability. Like…there’s just no getting around the fact that that is a completely and intentionally condescending and unprofessional response. It just IS that.

    Putting someone down for what you see as “trolling”, then publicly trolling them back, and then at the end acting like you are above all that and would “love” to have a conversation requires a laughable lack of self awareness.

    Tbh I’m legit surprised that RG is okay with its employees publicly putting down paying subs and making fun of them for beating them in H2H, no matter the context. if this is the new norm here, then this site has fallen a long way from being the nice community where I learned DFS.

    I didn’t realize “but, but, but he’s trolling me :(” is now a legit excuse for an employee being a jerk to a paying customer.

    Interesting customer service strategy.

  • Jvanspro

    @old_T said...

    “Love” how Brit’s response completely validates the OP’s concerns, but the tone is as if he’s talking down to the OP. Brit never handles criticism in stride. Always give the “I’m a pro so obv you are stupid for even questioning me or my methods” type response.

    The guy asks a legit question and Brit’s response is to criticize his DFS ability. Like…there’s just no getting around the fact that that is a completely and intentionally condescending and unprofessional response. It just IS that.

    Putting someone down for what you see as “trolling”, then publicly trolling them back, and then at the end acting like you are above all that and would “love” to have a conversation requires a laughable lack of self awareness.

    Tbh I’m legit surprised that RG is okay with its employees publicly putting down paying subs and making fun of them for beating them in H2H, no matter the context. if this is the new norm here, then this site has fallen a long way from being the nice community where I learned DFS.

    I didn’t realize “but, but, but he’s trolling me :(” is now a legit excuse for an employee being a jerk to a paying customer.

    Interesting customer service strategy.

    ^THIS!!! It is not OK in any industry to talk down to a paying customer who asks a completely legitimate question. RG should be embarrassed by the post Brit put up.

    A far better and respectable response would be “You’re correct, I don’t have a ton of action on Yahoo. However, I do play enough and put in the research in order to write a quality article each morning. Thank you for reading and should you have any questions regarding the article, feel free to contact me directly.”

    Instead Brit bashes the guy and just says he’s a pro. Who really cares if you consider yourself a pro, that doesn’t validate the response. In fact, the response completely validates the concern

  • britdevine

    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    @Jvanspro said...

    ^THIS!!! It is not OK in any industry to talk down to a paying customer who asks a completely legitimate question. RG should be embarrassed by the post Brit put up.

    A far better and respectable response would be “You’re correct, I don’t have a ton of action on Yahoo. However, I do play enough and put in the research in order to write a quality article each morning. Thank you for reading and should you have any questions regarding the article, feel free to contact me directly.”

    Instead Brit bashes the guy and just says he’s a pro. Who really cares if you consider yourself a pro, that doesn’t validate the response. In fact, the response completely validates the concern

    Seth admitted to trolling me in this very thread. I understand that trolling is what comes with the gig as a dfs “tout”, and that everyone has their own opinions on what content is worth money or not. I take pride in my articles/research/play and when you get attacked on your work of course I’m going to respond to it. Should I have left out the H2H part on Seth, Yes I can agree to and should have left that out and taken the high road there.

    I posted above for Seth to reach out to me personally at anytime if he wants to discuss any personal issues or thoughts. That offer still stands.

    I don’t have any problem with Seth bringing up the issue, he’s probably right if I am writing for the day on Yahoo, I should probably invest some money on Yahoo for the day which I will do for the most part moving forward and did yesterday.

    I can assure I spend more than adequate time researching before any article is submitted and have a long list of positive feedback in the coaching profile spanning well over a year if anyone would like some personal references from others on my work and research habits.

    If Seth or anyone else wants to talk, please feel free to DM me on here.

  • X Unread Thread
  • X Thread with New Replies*
  • *Jumps to your first unread reply

Subforum Index

RotoGrinders.com is the home of the daily fantasy sports community. Our content, rankings, member blogs, promotions and forum discussion all cater to the players that like to create a new fantasy team every day of the week.

If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (IL). Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER (NJ/WV/PA/MI), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (CO), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), 1-888-532-3500 (VA) or call/text TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN).