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  • tipandpick

    • 2016 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

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    Why is DraftDay not more popular?

    The more I play on this site, the more I love it. The user interface is probably the best in the entire industry and it is equally attractive.

    Despite how well the site is put together, it seems that there are very few players over there—why? Is it a ‘chicken/egg’ question, whereby they have to first offer larger, guaranteed prize pools to attract new players, but instead they’re waiting to get the players to offer such contests?

    Whatever it is, I sure wish there was more action on their site because it truly is a great set-up…it’s a shame that more people aren’t using it.

  • tgowen

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    I play very low stakes on there usually for Sundays but my guess is that it is the lack of the big time GPP’s that other sites offer. Not a deterrent for me, but could be for others.

  • alsmizzle

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    They’re more conservative than the other sites in terms of their spend on new player acquisition and as it seems (from an outsider’s point of view) they’re happy floating along in their niche within the industry and aren’t busy trying to force it to be the biggest site out there but rather letting their growth happen organically. I think they have a great product, and while I’m disappointed that they removed the 40% rakeback level (as I was going to shift the majority of my cash game play to their site for NBA because of it) I am very pleased with their overall product. I can’t wait to see what their NBA bracket championship will be as I think it could be one of the premiere events in DFS NBA because of its uniqueness and sport relevance.

  • RussARMNY

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    @tipandpick said…

    Why is DraftDay not more popular?

    The more I play on this site, the more I love it. The user interface is probably the best in the entire industry and it is equally attractive.

    Despite how well the site is put together, it seems that there are very few players over there—why? Is it a ‘chicken/egg’ question, whereby they have to first offer larger, guaranteed prize pools to attract new players, but instead they’re waiting to get the players to offer such contests?

    Whatever it is, I sure wish there was more action on their site because it truly is a great set-up…it’s a shame that more people aren’t using it.

    Fully agree with Tip and the interface. I actually refer all real newbies to their website to test DFS. If they only had monster contests like FD, DS, DK and SS I would be on there every week.

  • wavegoodbye

    great product bad marketing team…

    they have shrunk all nfl games this year excluding the bracket challenge which wasnt a huge overlay, weekly offers keep getting smaller

    They’ve really been bad with player pools this year, last week they had no andre holmes, no Lad Green and no rishard mathews.

    I don;t know if they have new management or what, but i liked the way they approached nfl a whole lot better last year than this year

    Its great software and other than the player pool thing, support is generally good, but they either have no money to spend or need a new marketing guy.

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    I played a little bit at DD last year and I really enjoyed it. In fact, I had planned on adding them to my very short list of sites to play on because of their rakeback system. However, that was before I realized they removed their 40% rakeback program.

    To answer the question specifically, there are just too many good sites and not enough players.

  • MrTuttle05

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    @wavegoodbye said…

    great product bad marketing team…

    they have shrunk all nfl games this year excluding the bracket challenge which wasnt a huge overlay, weekly offers keep getting smaller

    They’ve really been bad with player pools this year, last week they had no andre holmes, no Lad Green and no rishard mathews.

    I don;t know if they have new management or what, but i liked the way they approached nfl a whole lot better last year than this year

    Its great software and other than the player pool thing, support is generally good, but they either have no money to spend or need a new marketing guy.

    How can you conclude their marketing team is bad if you have no idea what the site’s goal is?

    I’m with Al on this one – DD simply has a different approach to player acquisition than the majority of other sites out there. Let’s be honest, outside of the big three (FD, DK, DS), not many other sites are going to be successful spending boatloads on player acquisition.

  • bripc23

    2013 PFBC Finalist

    DD is the most aesthetically pleasing site to build lineups on in my opinion.

    Only complaint is their emphasis on brackets as I might be the only person in the world who doesn’t care for them but different strokes for different folks.

  • sethayates

    @tipandpick said…

    Why is DraftDay not more popular?

    The more I play on this site, the more I love it. The user interface is probably the best in the entire industry and it is equally attractive.

    Despite how well the site is put together, it seems that there are very few players over there—why? Is it a ‘chicken/egg’ question, whereby they have to first offer larger, guaranteed prize pools to attract new players, but instead they’re waiting to get the players to offer such contests?

    Whatever it is, I sure wish there was more action on their site because it truly is a great set-up…it’s a shame that more people aren’t using it.

    Coming from a low volume player I think it is simply a comfort issue. Right now I only play $100-$200 per week if that. I am exclusively playing on FD right now mostly just because that’s where I started and I am comfortable with it.

    When I first started playing FD I knew nothing about the site and I was making almost all of the classic new player mistakes (might be a good blog to write if someone hasn’t). It wasn’t that I was putting together a bad team, I was just doing a terrible job of game selection. Once I learned to use the interface and diversify my games I started winning more.

    There are also little nitch things you need to learn about each site. For example on nights where double ups have overlayed I will notice users joining a 110 player double up (pays 50) that has 80 players when the one right below it only has 40 players. These players most likely have no idea the contest is guaranteed. They are just joining the one which will fill. Mistakes like these cost you money when you are learning a new site. If you have a small bankroll you can’t afford to split it up 6 or 7 ways. Even if you do there is no easy mechanism for transfering money between sites if you want to play the same amount each night on all the sites. That would lead to constant withdrawing and depositing.

    Also the difference in price and cap requirements of each site makes it tough to seemlessly switch. For low volume new players it doesn’t make sense to switch sites if they are playing at anything close to a break even or better level.

  • bobbyrogers46

    For me, I love DraftDay and have found myself playing there more than the other sites for the most part. To me the overall package they offer is better than any other site out there. I however do not play in any GPP’s which seem to be what really drives the traffic on sites. However, I can’t see a company like them putting together such a nice product and not having wise intentions in regards to marketing and growth and their approach to it.

  • wazzu24

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    @MrTuttle05 said…

    How can you conclude their marketing team is bad if you have no idea what the site’s goal is?

    Because they have an opportunity to make shit tons of money, and presumably, that’s their goal. Obviously they have a different site philosophy, but that philosophy isn’t to make as little money as possible when they possess the best interface in the industry.

    To my knowledge, they aren’t on the radio or television and I’ve never seen an ad for them on a website anywhere(adblock might be responsible for that).

    My general read is that they probably need more employees and the employees they have need to get their site out there more.

    Look at Jon Aguiar(FatalError) of DK. DD has people associated with their site that could literally be exactly what he is. Stinger and Taylor Caby being the main two off the top of my head, but I don’t know for sure what their roles are with the site, or if they are even still with them.

    Imo the site can remain niche to some degree while being much larger than it currently is. They have very different types of games from other sites in their target games, brackets, rapid fire, NFL primetime as well as others.

  • BernieKozar

    Draftday probably gets 90% of my action. i’m a low to medium volume player where across all sites i prob put in 3k a month worth of action with 2.5k of it being on DD.

    The interface just keeps me coming back. Also I like 25% rakeback deposited into my account every Wednesday. I hope it grows into a major player soon, but I’m not hopeful.

  • MrTuttle05

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    @wazzu24 said…

    Because they have an opportunity to make shit tons of money, and presumably, that’s their goal. Obviously they have a different site philosophy, but that philosophy isn’t to make as little money as possible when they possess the best interface in the industry.

    To my knowledge, they aren’t on the radio or television and I’ve never seen an ad for them on a website anywhere(adblock might be responsible for that).

    My general read is that they probably need more employees and the employees they have need to get their site out there more.

    Look at Jon Aguiar(FatalError) of DK. DD has people associated with their site that could literally be exactly what he is. Stinger and Taylor Caby being the main two off the top of my head, but I don’t know for sure what their roles are with the site, or if they are even still with them.

    Imo the site can remain niche to some degree while being much larger than it currently is. They have very different types of games from other sites in their target games, brackets, rapid fire, NFL primetime as well as others.

    Thanks for the response – certainly valid points.

    I still contend that you can’t judge a site’s execution if you have no idea what their goal is. Just because FD/DK have goal A doesn’t mean DD can’t have goal B in the same industry.

    It takes a certain makeup (both site and staff wise) to take as aggressive approach as FD/DK have and make it successful. IMO if another site took a similar approach outside of FD/DK and DS it would go under before too long. In fact, it will be interesting to see what sites are still around next year – especially if they’re taking a similar aggressive approach. I’d wager the sites that are the most aggressive outside of the top three will have the shortest shelf life.

  • bobbyrogers46

    @wazzu24 said…

    Because they have an opportunity to make shit tons of money, and presumably, that’s their goal. Obviously they have a different site philosophy, but that philosophy isn’t to make as little money as possible when they possess the best interface in the industry.

    To my knowledge, they aren’t on the radio or television and I’ve never seen an ad for them on a website anywhere(adblock might be responsible for that).

    My general read is that they probably need more employees and the employees they have need to get their site out there more.

    Look at Jon Aguiar(FatalError) of DK. DD has people associated with their site that could literally be exactly what he is. Stinger and Taylor Caby being the main two off the top of my head, but I don’t know for sure what their roles are with the site, or if they are even still with them.

    Imo the site can remain niche to some degree while being much larger than it currently is. They have very different types of games from other sites in their target games, brackets, rapid fire, NFL primetime as well as others.

    I would suspect DraftDay’s approach has to do with running a balanced budget sheet. Many sites are throwing money around in overlays and expanding in player growth. But whos’ money? If you really think about it, DraftDay can benefit slowly from this market by word of mouth. Slow play the marketing and allow the other sites to invest in it and allow word of mouth to transition players from another site to theirs. RotoGrinders in itself does this for them. People see a FD or DK or DS ad on ESPN come and join the site due to that advertisement. From there stick with playing or fade out. Those that stick with it, their awareness of the DFS universe grows and they find RotoGrinders which can lead them to DraftDay. All without really any investment by DraftDay.

    Bottom line, it is about the bottom line. You got to respect the fact that they appear to have intentions of staying in the green and growing at a slower pace without throwing away the advertising dollars given to them from a Joint Venture agreement.

  • winsome

    @wazzu24 said…

    Because they have an opportunity to make shit tons of money, and presumably, that’s their goal.

    Define “make”? In order to make you have to spend and have the budget to do so. I would say, absent the huge marketing/acquisition budgets as well as the small GPP prize pools (read: no loss on huge overlay) they may be “making” more than any other site out there right now.

  • Putz

    Regarding DraftStreet:

    I play on a mobile device, and while things have improved, I still can’t view the prize structure before joining a league, and I can’t see who I am playing in a H2H before joining or after joining. The desktop version allows me to hover the mouse over the 1/2 number and is will tell me the potential opponent in the lobby. I also can’t easily import a lineup without going through each contest I am in, and I can’t easily tell details of the game type during important/export. I can’t easily find which games are included in a contest before joining.

    They also do not have the game variety of FD (e.g., midweek CFB, early only for NFL or CFB)

    Their lobby feature is great, letting me know which contests I’ve already entered.

    Matchup blocker is also awesome!

    Regarding DraftDay:

    Player pool is small for CFB

    Other that that, I am enjoying it.

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