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  • tipster808

    Why is DraftKings sponsoring Erick Lindgren?

    Twitter blew up on this today, and not in a good way. Lindgren was sporting a DK badge when he won a WSOP satellite today. For those unaware, Lindgren is notorious for owing more then $100,000 in unpaid fantasy football debts.

    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/erick-lindgren-owes-over-100-000-fantasy-league-wont-pay-1174966/index142.html

    He also went to rehab for an addiction to sports betting. Needless to say, not exactly the greatest sponsor for a fantasy site. Anyone know why on earth they’d do this? From reading Twitter this guy is doing way more damage than good.

  • imsogone

    Really bad move. Of course I don’t know what the PR at DK has done but I wonder if they tried to get someone like Norm Macdonald. Someone who plays poker, bets on sports and has relevance to the rest of the world. I think buying him into WSOP events and getting him to wear gear would be better than Lindgren.

  • poorhoward

    This is crazy.

  • tipster808

    @baseballs said…

    Voulgaris on Lindgren wearing DK patch (4:00 mark):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR-2qeTN6QU

    Damn, Voulgaris weighed in on this?! Ouch.

    By the way, anyone else notice that we have a degenerate gambler who won’t pay his debts being sponsored by a site that is partnered with MLB? I have to say I find that hilarious. Pete Rose probably does too……as he cries himself to sleep.

  • winsome

    @baseballs said…

    Voulgaris on Lindgren wearing DK patch (4:00 mark):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR-2qeTN6QU

    lol! Bob comes out swinging and basically refers to edog as “worm”. Wonder when Grama & KBG are gonna come for their shit.

    why has someone not parsed this and gotten it trending? #deadbeat#edog#smackdown#draftkingsnono

  • sonicattack

    @FatalError said…

    I want to personally apologize for any negativity that has arisen as a result of the decision to have Erick wear a patch for the one drop at the WSOP and also to anyone who might have been personally offended by it. As the one person at DK who could have reasonably expected the reaction some have had I should have taken more time to update myself on the situation as it’s currently stands.

    The one drop is an amazing charity event that raises millions for a great cause and gets wide exposure. To my knowledge he had been public about making amends and changes to his life. Given those things and his other high profile sponsor I concluded that he seemed to be getting an opportunity for a second chance. Given all of this I believed there would still be some negativity but the end result would be positive given that Erick could get significant TV time and exposure to 100’s of thousands of poker fans watching this event casually. I mention this only to make it clear that this wasn’t a thoughtless decision, even if you believe it was the wrong one.

    I promise to be much more careful in the future with where you see DK within the poker community. If anyone would like to discuss this with me further please feel free to email me if you have it or send me a PM here on RotoGrinders and I’ll address your message ASAP.

    Sincerely,
    Jonathan

    I like that 25 more posts have ensued in the thread since this one where people are threatening to not play on DK, decrying that this is a horrible thing for DK, that they fucked up, and so on and so forth.

    Reading comprehension, fellas. Don’t be like the Facebook social media activists. Jonathan was pretty transparent here, right?

  • thedude404

    • 2015 FanDuel NBA Playboy Mansion Finalist

    @Slah said…

    Forget about him being a deadbeat, but how is sponsoring a gambling addict in a poker tournament an acceptable way of “giving somebody a second chance”?

    for draftkings its a good thing. for the overall health of the DFS its a terrible thing. The last thing DFS needs is to be associated with someone from the poker world with a negative perception. Quite frankly, associating DFS with the poker world is a terribly bad thing. But people have to make a living I guess and pay their bills…..of course I’m sure i’ll be ripped for that statement. but why would you want to associate poker and dfs? you’re just asking for it to be made illegal by some hot shot congress person. look how easily online poker was made illegal. you dont think the same thing could happen to dfs? God so stupid……

  • sonicattack

    It’s kind of hard to not associate DFS with the poker world when many of the game concepts are very similar and many of the players came from a poker playing background.

    This is sort of like the argument that people who have become serial killers at a young age and played violent video games or listened to offensive music became killers solely because of those things insofar as that those things were indirectly the cause.

    There will always be bad human beings who take advantage of things. The things taken advantage of are not inherently bad because of the bad apples ruining shit for everyone else.

  • Tippy

    Good publicity > Bad publicity > No publicity?

    Seriously though, had DK sponsored just about anyone else in this tourney they would have got a Tweet or two and the old “that’s nice, yawn.” But with Lindgren, Twitter blew up, RG threads popped up, people started talking and even someone like Voulgaris chimed in. Unfortunately, controversy sells. And DK probably got all this buzz for about 10 cents on the dollar for what it would have cost to sponsor anyone else. Not bad I’d say.

    Maybe Phil Ivey would have been better with his marked card cheating allegations? Maybe Gus Hansen? Tom Dwan? Certainly no degens there, right?

    Come on guys look around, DFS isn’t absent of degens itself. There are guys here putting down tens of thousands of dollars every night on the outcome of sporting events. Where does this money come from? Kids college funds? Retirement funds? Family checking accounts?

    I don’t know Erick Lindgren and I have no way of knowing his side of the story.

    Grade for quality of person DK selected: F
    Grade for the amount of buzz DK generated: A

    Advertising is a funny game. I personally think Tiger Woods is a piece of shit, but that doesn’t stop billion dollar companies from hiring him to generate buzz and I’m pretty sure most of us here use those products even knowing what a piece of shit Tiger is.

  • deactivated17417

    Erick Lindgren is clearly not a Lannister

  • Slah

    • 2015 NASCAR Live Final Champion

    @thedude404 said…

    for draftkings its a good thing. for the overall health of the DFS its a terrible thing. The last thing DFS needs is to be associated with someone from the poker world with a negative perception. Quite frankly, associating DFS with the poker world is a terribly bad thing. But people have to make a living I guess and pay their bills…..of course I’m sure i’ll be ripped for that statement. but why would you want to associate poker and dfs? you’re just asking for it to be made illegal by some hot shot congress person. look how easily online poker was made illegal. you dont think the same thing could happen to dfs? God so stupid……

    No, I meant in general. Like humanity-wise.

    It sounds ridiculous to chalk up the sponsoring of an addicted gambler (who has gone through rehab, nonetheless) in a poker tournament to “giving him a second chance”, as if some act of nobility is being performed by the sponsors.

    That’s like sending a recovering alcoholic into a watering hole and telling him “this one’s on me. i’m giving you a 2nd chance to get this boozing thing right. Make it count”.

  • AveryBradley

    @Tippy said…

    Good publicity > Bad publicity > No publicity?

    Seriously though, had DK sponsored just about anyone else in this tourney they would have got a Tweet or two and the old “that’s nice, yawn.” But with Lindgren, Twitter blew up, RG threads popped up, people started talking and even someone like Voulgaris chimed in. Unfortunately, controversy sells. And DK probably got all this buzz for about 10 cents on the dollar for what it would have cost to sponsor anyone else. Not bad I’d say.

    Maybe Phil Ivey would have been better with his marked card cheating allegations? Maybe Gus Hansen? Tom Dwan? Certainly no degens there, right?

    Come on guys look around, DFS isn’t absent of degens itself. There are guys here putting down tens of thousands of dollars every night on the outcome of sporting events. Where does this money come from? Kids college funds? Retirement funds? Family checking accounts?

    I don’t know Erick Lindgren and I have no way of knowing his side of the story.

    Grade for quality of person DK selected: F
    Grade for the amount of buzz DK generated: A

    Advertising is a funny game. I personally think Tiger Woods is a piece of shit, but that doesn’t stop billion dollar companies from hiring him to generate buzz and I’m pretty sure most of us here use those products even knowing what a piece of shit Tiger is.

    I don’t think you understand, this guy is a massive confirmed stiff/scumbag who freerolled people for years. There is no one in DFS comparable to him. You are comparing apples to oranges. Irresponsibly gambling above your bankroll and stiffing/freerolling people aren’t remotely 1 in the same.

    If anyone in DFS has a history like that, feel free to let us know.

    It isn’t that he is a degen, it is that he is a classless stiff that owes 5 to low 6 figures to many different people.

  • Tippy

    There isn’t anyone comparable…YET.

    AB, sorry, I wasn’t actually trying to single anyone out or say that someone was the “Edog of DFS”. I have respect for just about all the high rollers here, I think most are honorable for sure.

    What I was trying to say is that degen is a relative term. And you are right, I don’t really understand what Lindgren did, I’m a casual player like 95% of the guys in the industry. Yes, we DFS players look at Lindgren and say, “that guy has a huge gambling problem and is a degen.” But what I don’t think a lot of DFS players realize is that outsiders look at a guy putting down $20-30K per night in DFS and say, “damn that guy has a gambling problem.” At least that is what some of my sports betting friends say when the see how much money is changing hands in DFS. It’s all about perception to people who aren’t involved.

    The general public who isn’t familiar with the situation may look at the money Lindgren bets/owes and not be able to distinguish it from the tens of thousands some DFS guys are wagering per night on sports. We are familiar with the details, the casual public might not be. And have no doubt, at some point someone is going to go busto and end up in a hard spot due to wagering on DFS. They will borrow to keep playing and then not be able to pay it back. It happens in sports betting, it happens in poker and it’s only a matter of time until it happens in DFS. The amount of money changing hands is getting pretty damn big very quickly.

    It is getting to a point where the potential for scandal due to the large amounts of money involved in DFS could become a concern.

  • AveryBradley

    @Tippy said…

    There isn’t anyone comparable…YET.

    AB, sorry, I wasn’t actually trying to single anyone out or say that someone was the “Edog of DFS”. I have respect for just about all the high rollers here, I think most are honorable for sure.

    What I was trying to say is that degen is a relative term. And you are right, I don’t really understand what Lindgren did, I’m a casual player like 95% of the guys in the industry. Yes, we DFS players look at Lindgren and say, “that guy has a huge gambling problem and is a degen.” But what I don’t think a lot of DFS players realize is that outsiders look at a guy putting down $20-30K per night in DFS and say, “damn that guy has a gambling problem.” At least that is what some of my sports betting friends say when the see how much money is changing hands in DFS. It’s all about perception to people who aren’t involved.

    The general public who isn’t familiar with the situation may look at the money Lindgren bets/owes and not be able to distinguish it from the tens of thousands some DFS guys are wagering per night on sports. We are familiar with the details, the casual public might not be. And have no doubt, at some point someone is going to go busto and end up in a hard spot due to wagering on DFS. They will borrow to keep playing and then not be able to pay it back. It happens in sports betting, it happens in poker and it’s only a matter of time until it happens in DFS. The amount of money changing hands is getting pretty damn big very quickly.

    It is getting to a point where the potential for scandal due to the large amounts of money involved in DFS could become a concern.

    Well DFS sites don’t let you bet on credit so you can’t really stiff/welch, there is no process that allows for that.

    As far as borrowing $ and not paying it back, that is more of a debtor/financer/creditor relationship and is a little bit different than two people making a bet, 1 person losing 50k and just saying F it and not paying. All credit issuing comes with risk (as does all betting that isn’t collateralized but still, there is supposed to be honor amongst gamblers)

    I don’t really care if the general public/betting public/DFS public is familiar with Lindgren’s past or not. Just because people aren’t familiar with it doesn’t mean you sponsor him. That doesn’t make it right.

    I’ll give you the cliffs to what he did…bet, slow paid everyone then eventually didn’t pay at all then FTP went broke and that debt is worthless.

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    Tippy, you’re comparing a HYPOTHETICAL vs a FACT.

    Having learned more about the situation, I’m very disappointed in DK. They carefully weighed the pros/cons and decided that the means justified the ends. Anything for a buck, eh? It’s also interesting that as of this post, nobody on the RG staff has commented on the topic…

  • wavegoodbye

    @FatalError said…

    I want to personally apologize for any negativity that has arisen as a result of the decision to have Erick wear a patch for the one drop at the WSOP and also to anyone who might have been personally offended by it. As the one person at DK who could have reasonably expected the reaction some have had I should have taken more time to update myself on the situation as it’s currently stands.

    The one drop is an amazing charity event that raises millions for a great cause and gets wide exposure. To my knowledge he had been public about making amends and changes to his life. Given those things and his other high profile sponsor I concluded that he seemed to be getting an opportunity for a second chance. Given all of this I believed there would still be some negativity but the end result would be positive given that Erick could get significant TV time and exposure to 100’s of thousands of poker fans watching this event casually. I mention this only to make it clear that this wasn’t a thoughtless decision, even if you believe it was the wrong one.

    I promise to be much more careful in the future with where you see DK within the poker community. If anyone would like to discuss this with me further please feel free to email me if you have it or send me a PM here on RotoGrinders and I’ll address your message ASAP.

    Sincerely,
    Jonathan

    yeah pretty surprised to hear you decided to go that route… I do get giving people second chances and whether people want to admit it or not Erik is a very good tourney player…

    that being said, after Full Tilt and the degening episode on 2+2 there is zero chance i would want to associate any business venture or sponsor on Erik, on the basis of principle alone…

    put me in the disappointed camp unfortunately

  • easternmh

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    @FatalError said…

    I want to personally apologize for any negativity that has arisen as a result of the decision to have Erick wear a patch for the one drop at the WSOP and also to anyone who might have been personally offended by it. As the one person at DK who could have reasonably expected the reaction some have had I should have taken more time to update myself on the situation as it’s currently stands.

    The one drop is an amazing charity event that raises millions for a great cause and gets wide exposure. To my knowledge he had been public about making amends and changes to his life. Given those things and his other high profile sponsor I concluded that he seemed to be getting an opportunity for a second chance. Given all of this I believed there would still be some negativity but the end result would be positive given that Erick could get significant TV time and exposure to 100’s of thousands of poker fans watching this event casually. I mention this only to make it clear that this wasn’t a thoughtless decision, even if you believe it was the wrong one.

    I promise to be much more careful in the future with where you see DK within the poker community. If anyone would like to discuss this with me further please feel free to email me if you have it or send me a PM here on RotoGrinders and I’ll address your message ASAP.

    Sincerely,
    Jonathan

    I’m surprised you haven’t taken more heat over this … You really should have known better … Given your background as a former top poker player

  • AveryBradley

    @easternmh said…

    I’m surprised you haven’t taken more heat over this … You really should have known better … Given your background as a former top poker player

    I’ve given all the heat I can..

    sponsoring edog? more like EDODGE

    amirite?

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