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  • WidumBoise

    How high can the rake possibly go once DK and FD create a virtual monopoly on the DFS market?

    Can it get as high as 20%?

    Will it stay the same?

  • cmbarbee226

    Going up IMO. Lets face it, merging is about self preservation. So too is the rake.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    I don’t see it going up, at least not initially.
    It’s a merger bred from necessity, not prosperity.
    There has also been a negative DFS narrative in mainstream media and a merger would allow them to rebrand and restablish themselves to the general public.
    Rake has risen as legal fees have risen and the paler base has dwindled, consolidating will help with some of that.
    If whomever makes these decisions have at least half a brain cell, there won’t be any increases…and I don’t say that because it’s in my best interest, I say it because it’s common sense businesss if they want to stay a viable industry.
    Alrhough I’m sure there are some here who would argue those in charfe are not blessed with that half of a brain cell, so that would be the only thing keeping me from saying it’s a certainty…as admittedly the majority of decisions each has made over time have been very short-sighted.

  • Cpjttogether

    Rake increase again? +premium fees +taxes. Hows horse racing doing?

  • Bigo1

    Part of me really want the rake to increase there, as it would help a competitor with a lower rake structure to emerge.
    We are at a point where it is already too high.

  • Roma315

    Wish we could go back two years when the rake was low, deposit incentives were high, and most people had no idea what they were doing.

  • tonytone1908

    @Roma315 said...

    Wish we could go back two years when the rake was low, deposit incentives were high, and most people had no idea what they were doing.

    Just like everything else in life I find myself a year behind the trends. If I only knew 2 years ago what I know now. Damn.

  • KindGuy

    @tonytone1908 said...

    Just like everything else in life I find myself a year behind the trends. If I only knew 2 years ago what I know now. Damn.

    Yep I took DFS very seriously in like 2016.

    There was even a time where I took a break (the horror!) in like 2014. Can’t believe I did that when the industry was so damn soft. Smh.

  • Cpjttogether

    I listened to the champ a few times talk about the site fees. He don’t seem to be a big fan of the high rake either. If Saahil gets hired by the Yankees and quits dfs it might collapse, like if Saudi arabia pulled out of our stock market. unless the brothers who own all the chipotles can keep it going.

  • ActionJunkie

    @Cpjttogether said...

    I listened to the champ a few times talk about the site fees. He don’t seem to be a big fan of the high rake either. If Saahil gets hired by the Yankees and quits dfs it might collapse, like if Saudi arabia pulled out of our stock market. unless the brothers who own all the chipotles can keep it going.

    The same was said about Condia FOR YEARS and now many don’t even know who he is. “Saahils” come and go.

  • WidumBoise

    @Roma315 said...

    Wish we could go back two years when the rake was low, deposit incentives were high, and most people had no idea what they were doing.

    This

  • WidumBoise

    @Cpjttogether said...

    If Saahil gets hired by the Yankees and quits dfs it might collapse

    Why would the Yankees hire him, and why would he work for them?

  • Cpjttogether

    The Yankees would hire him because he is the best Dfs player in the world . His skills in analytics could help a professional sports team win more games. He would work for them because he likes the Yankees. I’m pretty sure the talent he has could help several successful companies. Dfs surely isn’t that guys only option. He is very smart. Not that its any of my business. I just post on these things when I lose for therapy.

  • Cpjttogether

    I do not agree with romas take about going back to when most people didn’t know what they where doing. Many peoples lives where destroyed that loved sports and didn’t understand the huge mathematical disadvantage they where at. There is no honor in beating somebody that you have a 90% advantage over or whatever imo.

  • Roma315

    @Cpjttogether said...

    I do not agree with romas take about going back to when most people didn’t know what they where doing. Many peoples lives where destroyed that loved sports and didn’t understand the huge mathematical disadvantage they where at. There is no honor in beating somebody that you have a 90% advantage over or whatever imo.

    I really didn’t know what I was doing either. However It was much easier to cash daily. There also wasn’t 20 sites that easily make a lineup for you using a algorithm, line up sellers, or pros playing the low stakes.

  • Cpjttogether

    that part I agree with. I wonder if the sites adjusted there pricing algorithm a certain way, if they could kill line up sharing and cloning and the identical line up problem?

  • einars

    @Cpjttogether said...

    I do not agree with romas take about going back to when most people didn’t know what they where doing. Many peoples lives where destroyed that loved sports and didn’t understand the huge mathematical disadvantage they where at. There is no honor in beating somebody that you have a 90% advantage over or whatever imo.

    lol if anyone, ever, anywhere was putting enough money into DFS that losing it could “destroy their lives” then that person was going to destroy their life with or without DFS.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    @Cpjttogether said...

    that part I agree with. I wonder if the sites adjusted there pricing algorithm a certain way, if they could kill line up sharing and cloning and the identical line up problem?

    I’ve always believed that if the sites made it an issue, i.e. said it wasn’t allowed and put in place potential penalties ( from a warningf all the way up to a ban), it would stop much of the behavior. Just the threat, even if they didn’t follow through, would deter many players.
    You’ve seen it to some extent with DraftKings – Since they paid some lip service to it being an issue there are some sites that only sell FD lineups, and on most sites I’ve seen you have to at least manually enter a couple players to get an optomized DK linuep to spit out..not great, but at least it’s something.
    They could stop it if they wanted, but they don’t seem to care…I’ve ranted about it in the past, so I’ll leave it at that.

    I think the only way pricing could deter those practices is if a site had dynamic pricing.
    So as owenrship rises or falls throughout the day so does the price. Even if the drop was $100-200 one way or another that potentially throws a wrench into cut and pasting lu’s.
    And while I do think that would be intriguing, it obviously would lend itself to new sets of issues. “Pros” or people with lots of time would even have more advantage, as they could watch prices all day. Or, syndicates could potentially collude to raise, drop prices, etc.

    I think the only way those issues are solved, is if they are issues to the site. They have to feel as if it effects the long term growth of the industry and out policies in place that they monitor and enforce.

  • WidumBoise

    @TheRyanFlaherty said...

    So as owenrship rises or falls throughout the day so does the price. Even if the drop was $100-200 one way or another that potentially throws a wrench into cut and pasting lu’s.

    So what if your lineup you created an hour ago, is now over the cap because one of your players price increased?

    I don’t see how this could work, pricing virtually has to stay LOCKED.

  • Cpjttogether

    I guess you wouldn’t be over the cap cuz you would be locked in at the price you got when you made the line up like a sportsbook wager. But then they couldnt allow canecelling of wagers . or even adjusting line ups i guess geeze

  • MrMadness001

    @Cpjttogether said...

    The Yankees would hire him because he is the best Dfs player in the world . His skills in analytics could help a professional sports team win more games. He would work for them because he likes the Yankees. I’m pretty sure the talent he has could help several successful companies. Dfs surely isn’t that guys only option. He is very smart. Not that its any of my business. I just post on these things when I lose for therapy.

    Doubt this would happen. Even if a “pro” like Sud was offered a job by the Yankees or any other baseball team they wouldn’t even take it.

    The main reason these guys have made DFS a big part of their income is because they don’t have to answer to anybody. Sud from what I have read seems more of an entrepreneurial type. So even if DFS eventually went the way of the dodo he would find something else just like it to make money where he didn’t have boundaries to follow as working for someone else.

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