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  • Malloisback

    The gambling laws are about to change within the US & is likely to change the landscape of fantasy sports
    duel offer sports betting along with fantasy betting, which will be your preference? Will you still play fantasy golf & other sports?

    Feedback welcome— big discussion this topic is now— changing landscape of sports forever—-

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    @Malloisback said...

    For me, I’ve spent 5 years legally sports betting in Europe & I much prefer this form of gambling opposed to the fantasy

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    @Malloisback said...

    They say that less than 10% are profitable playing fantasy so I fully expect fantasy users to move away from this space & take up sports betting

    That’s not really a fair comparison because a lot of fantasy volume is in GPPs, which means less people will be profitable simply due to the payout structure, not because the game is necessarily harder. This argument is akin to saying no one would play the lottery because only .001% of people are profitable…

  • Njsum1

    @Malloisback said...

    They say that less than 10% are profitable playing fantasy so I fully expect fantasy users to move away from this space & take up sports betting

    Why do I keep seeing this and similar sentiments pop up? It assumes the only reason people play DFS is to be profitable. This has to be false, as you yourself said, 10% of people are profitable, and I think that’s close to accurate. Sooooo…that means at least a sizable portion of the remaining 90% play for another reason. I’m sure some of that 90% is trying to be profitable, yet I think others play for different reasons.

    I can’t speak for anyone else, yet I play DFS because I like making lineups and trying to solve the puzzle. I like the fact that I can make 20 lineups for 25 cents or a buck each. What drew me to DFS was my love for season long fantasy, especially the draft. With DFS I get to do multiple pseudo drafts each day. When I found DFS I certainly wasn’t looking for an alternative to sports betting as I never bet on sports. In fact, I don’t have much interest in sports betting. Maybe I’ll place a small bet here and there when it becomes legal/available, maybe I won’t. I know as long as salary cap DFS is available, it will be my preferred form of sports entertainment.

  • gaelicgirl

    That depends on if FD continues to push their single-game contests at the expense of their full-roster contests.

  • TnRiddles

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    I will still play DFS at the same rate as now. I have almost no interest in sports betting.

  • tippycat

    I will still play DFS with no change. I may play a parlay if available once in a blue moon, but that would be it.

  • KindGuy

    I have almost zero interest in sports betting. I just hope DK doesn’t just abandon DFS……. and no, offering $10,000 guarantees doesn’t count.

  • divusjulius

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    it depends on the types of bets allowed and the take out, but probably, yes.

  • Taterchipdip

    Well for starters DFS ISNT GAMBLING, in any way shape or form and never has been. Now that gambling will be legalized slowly in certain states over the next FIVE YEARS can they co exist? I hope you enjoyed making money online with DFS, cause as soon as more states legalize it, Bet fair and Draft Kings will be EXCLUSIVE sports betting. Count on it.

    Sports betting is a multibillion dollar industry that was offshore long before DFS. Players will flock to what they already know which is Sports betting.

  • MrFantasy

    @Taterchipdip said...

    Well for starters DFS ISNT GAMBLING, in any way shape or form and never has been. Now that gambling will be legalized slowly in certain states over the next FIVE YEARS can they co exist? I hope you enjoyed making money online with DFS, cause as soon as more states legalize it, Bet fair and Draft Kings will be EXCLUSIVE sports betting. Count on it.

    Sports betting is a multibillion dollar industry that was offshore long before DFS. Players will flock to what they already know which is Sports betting.

    DFS IS Gambling. Just like poker, slots, table games, sports betting. It’s gambling whether you like it or not. Draftkings will even admit its gambling but of course it was okay because it was “contests” before. There is always an element of chance that you can’t control.

    Obviously, skill will prevail over the long term in DFS and poker and even sports betting depending on the vig/juice/rake. It’s still gambling. Your lineup, hand, bet may be the optimal/gto/best play but in one instance it’s rare your opponent is drawing dead meaning the chance they can win still remains.

    Draftkings and Fanduel could not even make any money at DFS. They will be able to make money at sports betting. That being said, any winning or sharp players in sports betting won’t bet one cent on Draftkings or any legalized sports betting site. In order for this to work the lines will at best be 15cent lines. Offshore books will still be the better option by far.

  • Yacht67

    Sportsbetting is going to be great for DFS. AVG bettor isn’t going to care if Yankees are -110 or -115 fav. They will bet it anyways.

  • divusjulius

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    and how exactly does that help dfs?

  • Whosiere41

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    This new legislation won’t affect my DFS play at all, unless the DFS sites start changing things drastically to combat losing players or action due to it. To me they are seperate entities even though both are considered gambling. They are each their own unique style of gambling and to me it will come down to what the player likes most, the action, the payouts, or the competition.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    I’d rather play DFS.
    I guess others will help decide that though. If everyone fleas leaving small contests filled with sharks and it continues to become a cess pool, it will be hard to continue.

    Thing is if you’re betting on sports correctly, it kind of sucks. It’s the equivalent of playing DFS cash.
    I much prefer DFS where you can exercise proper bankroll management and one night can offset a few nights losses. If you’re responsibly sports betting you need an equally good run to offset a bad one…it’s much easier to go on Tilt and start increasing bets, or making stupid parlays trying to chase losses.

    Reading these threads I also get the impression that people seem to think it’s much easier to be profitable sports betting, and I just don’t see that being the case at all. If you’re not a profitable, or at least competent (break even, slowly lose money) DFS player, I have no idea why you think you’d be able to beat Vegas. But I guess that’s a lesson people will need to learn and a year or so from now they’ll be forums flooded with posts about how the games are fixed, sharps have info they don’t, and whatever else creates an excuse for why someone is losing money. It’s often easy to romanticize the unknown.

    And even if I take profitability out of it, on a personal level, I just find the process of DFS, and it being a puzzle each day that I try to solve, more fun and rewarding. It feels like I’m in more control and I can look back after a night and reflect and try to improve. Hopefully there are others that feel the same way, so I can continue and it doesn’t go to hell.

  • BobbyTheBrain

    I will gladly take up sports betting and say so long to DFS.

  • mike291md

    I don’t think it would survive much longer at this rate even if sports betting wasn’t happening. That’s just me. I don’t believe DFS has a healthy structure to keep the average player wanting to come back long-term unless you really enjoy the lineup making aspect of it. Because from a profit standpoint, it’s basically a pipe-dream with a very thin margin of error (only near-perfect lineups will make the good money).

    In DFS, you can have a very good lineup, a lineup in the top 100 out of thousands, and the reward still feels significantly underwhelming. Then tack on rising rake and if you’re not top 10, you’re doing nothing.

    I enjoy the researching process and love fantasy. I don’t mind burning money, which has been essentially what I’ve been doing by playing because I like to have a vested interest in the games. But, a lot of people have wizened up and quit once they realized how cutthroat the game really is.

    I personally believe DFS is struggling as we speak. I think the combination of people quitting and state’s banning DFS has been too big of a blow. Maybe I’m wrong though, it’s just mere speculation on my part.

  • BobbyTheBrain

    @mike291md said...

    I don’t think it would survive much longer at this rate even if sports betting wasn’t happening. That’s just me. I don’t believe DFS has a healthy structure to keep the average player wanting to come back long-term unless you really enjoy the lineup making aspect of it. Because from a profit standpoint, it’s basically a pipe-dream with a very thin margin of error (only near-perfect lineups will make the good money).

    In DFS, you can have a very good lineup, a lineup in the top 100 out of thousands, and the reward still feels significantly underwhelming. Then tack on rising rake and if you’re not top 10, you’re doing nothing.

    I enjoy the researching process and love fantasy. I don’t mind burning money, which has been essentially what I’ve been doing by playing because I like to have a vested interest in the games. But, a lot of people have wizened up and quit once they realized how cutthroat the game really is.

    I personally believe DFS is struggling as we speak. I think the combination of people quitting and state’s banning DFS has been too big of a blow. Maybe I’m wrong though, it’s just mere speculation on my part.

    This 100 percent. Nice to see other normal people think the same way I do

  • wolfjb1

    I will do both, which means I’ll play less DFS. I suck at DFS and am net unprofitable in my career, but I continue to chase that elusive GPP win because I like action and I like the allure of a big payout (I’m not stupid; I know the deck is stacked against me because I’m a fish and will never be a shark. If Vegas-style online gambling, such as through something like the playMGM app that you can use anywhere in Nevada came to my state – or to all states – I’ll mix it up a little bit here and there.

    One thing I dislike about DFS is that if I’m busy with life, I don’t have time to research a good lineup so I’m at an even greater disadvantage than usual. I’d feel better about, let’s say, taking the under on the first three innings of an MLB game for a couple of bucks without research, than I would posting a lineup with no research.

  • Jvanspro

    I’ll probably just stick to DFS. I enjoy building the lineups and don’t really have any interest in traditional sports gambling.

  • tristanwolf

    absolutely dfs for me. i may throw 10% of my action to betting but dfs is way more fun imho.

  • jaguar21

    I will still play dfs. Probably will not play just Sunday or monday night tournaments. Usually have to get up early. So a first half bet will take care of my need for action.

  • IronMonkey415

    I’ll still play DFS.

    Probably play till I die

  • DRAFTNick

    What’d you say about loving the Draft?…

  • Z1DANIEL

    I will stick with DFS. Gambling can cost you a whole lot more money if and when you get on a bad losing streak. I play 10-20 dollars on DRAFT. Betting games outright can be costly. In my experience.

  • Clyde

    @Njsum1 said...

    Why do I keep seeing this and similar sentiments pop up? It assumes the only reason people play DFS is to be profitable. This has to be false, as you yourself said, 10% of people are profitable, and I think that’s close to accurate. Sooooo…that means at least a sizable portion of the remaining 90% play for another reason. I’m sure some of that 90% is trying to be profitable, yet I think others play for different reasons.

    I can’t speak for anyone else, yet I play DFS because I like making lineups and trying to solve the puzzle. I like the fact that I can make 20 lineups for 25 cents or a buck each. What drew me to DFS was my love for season long fantasy, especially the draft. With DFS I get to do multiple pseudo drafts each day. When I found DFS I certainly wasn’t looking for an alternative to sports betting as I never bet on sports. In fact, I don’t have much interest in sports betting. Maybe I’ll place a small bet here and there when it becomes legal/available, maybe I won’t. I know as long as salary cap DFS is available, it will be my preferred form of sports entertainment.

    100% agree with Njsum1! What fun to make out 6-16 25 cent lineups each and every day,,,and an occaisional $1 lineup in late slates where there are no 25 cent contests…not everyone is in it to make a living…I have no interest in actual sports betting and will probably not do it, even if it becomes legal in my state…it’s the best hobby I’ve ever found, and as a retiree, I have the time to spare…great fun!

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