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  • Malloisback

    The gambling laws are about to change within the US & is likely to change the landscape of fantasy sports
    duel offer sports betting along with fantasy betting, which will be your preference? Will you still play fantasy golf & other sports?

    Feedback welcome— big discussion this topic is now— changing landscape of sports forever—-

  • XxHeisenbergxX

    I will no longer play DFS, I am pretty disciplined when it comes to gambling I only played heavy DFS during football season now that sports betting will be legal all of that action will go to betting the games outright instead. Once football ends I gear up for my first love which is the horses and the triple crown season and the spring summer time racing. So other than the nightly lottery ticket I purchase in NBA with the left over funds I have in my accounts I haven’t played hardly any DFS since football ended. I can really give or take DFS and baseball for me is a non factor I can’t watch that sport at all.

  • MHDU2424

    I used to sports bet a good bit before DFS and there’s no comparison to me

    DFS is a lot more fun with higher upside if you play GPPs….building lineups is so much more interesting than deciding what team to choose

    Day to day grinding sports betting gets boring and tiring after a while

    I’ll probably bet NCAA football and NFL games much more but DFS will always be the top priority for me especially in the other sports

    Futures/parlays will also be fun but the day to day grind is not as cool as it seems

  • XxHeisenbergxX

    I agree with everything you said…sports betting, horses definitely a grind but I am old (47) I do it for the profit now no matter how big or small…no longer the rush. I dont do it for the big scores anymore, would I love one …hell yes who wouldnt , but im at the point now where I just like to have money to do what I want when I want when it comes to gambling without dipping into what I call my “real life funds” I have become much better at money management and selective betting since I have changed my mind set years ago.

  • MHDU2424

    Yeah I hear ya….All depends on your goals and what you’re good at if you can be honest with yourself

    I play DFS to hit the big scores (Large field GPPs mostly)..of course I’ll dabble in cash and smaller field GPPs when I feel I have an edge to pad the bankroll

    Sports betting doesn’t really offer that unless you hit some crazy parlay. I will like the option of being able to bet on certain games I either know I’m going to watch, or feel really strongly about…just can’t see myself putting the effort in to grind it day to day but GL if that’s your thing

  • deejones49

    @XxHeisenbergxX said...

    I agree with everything you said…sports betting, horses definitely a grind but I am old (47) I do it for the profit now no matter how big or small…no longer the rush. I dont do it for the big scores anymore, would I love one …hell yes who wouldnt , but im at the point now where I just like to have money to do what I want when I want when it comes to gambling without dipping into what I call my “real life funds” I have become much better at money management and selective betting since I have changed my mind set years ago.

    Obvious 47 over the hill

  • XxHeisenbergxX

    @deejones49 said...

    Obvious 47 over the hill

    LMAO…well I think I might be a lot older than most in this forum…during my late 20’s mid 30’s I was a true full blown degenerate..I couldn’t stand having money in my pocket..I pissed thru a ton of money I had to get my shit together. It takes a lot of hard work and discipline.
    It sucks being responsible lol

  • divusjulius

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    it seems like a lot of replies to this question don’t take into account how edge gamblers bet sports and horses; only degens bet every race or every game every day, and degens are gonna degen no matter what form of gambling is around.

    my personal hope is that NJ has the same player prop bets and team total bets available that you can find in vegas and a few spots on line. the tools/models i’ve learned to use for DFS are well suited for those types of bets (and which are far easier to find line discrepancies than straight money-line bets). i only bet when i believe i’ve found a good price; doesn’t matter to me if I have to wait weeks between bets. DFS you can’t really afford to take days off because volume is necessary, so i’ll be gambling way less with legal MLB betting than with DFS.

  • 77racing

    Nope!!! the FREE money grab that is out there now on many levels will die

  • Supersharpie

    I’ll stick with DFS. Nothing in sports betting offers the returns like winning $100,000 or $1,000,000 by taking down a big $5 or $20 GPP contest.

  • BigRay

    DFS offers great tools to handicap games….I do both…and as I don’t wager on sports a lot. there are times when the vegas lines seem off with what I learn preparing line-ups .. pitching changes…. what have you..there is some opportunity out there

  • BobbyTheBrain

    @Supersharpie said...

    I’ll stick with DFS. Nothing in sports betting offers the returns like winning $100,000 or $1,000,000 by taking down a big $5 or $20 GPP contest.

    Lmao yea because you will definitely take down the big tourney in your lifetime. This is why dfs is way more of a risk for gambling addiction to people. The sites dangle that Big prize in front of you giving you hope that it’s attainable. I’ll take the cavs +12 with a 50/50 chance of doubling my money anyway rather than getting Nicole and dimed til I’m broke on dfs

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    @BigRay said...

    DFS offers great tools to handicap games….I do both…and as I don’t wager on sports a lot. there are times when the vegas lines seem off with what I learn preparing line-ups .. pitching changes…. what have you..there is some opportunity out there

    Since focusing on DFS I haven’t really done much sports betting, but occasionally I’ll get a free bet or money in my account which brings me back for the moment…Researching DFS, the biggest thing that stood out to me was every night there were player props that were extremely off. During NBA season, I’m talking the player was consistently hitting the over by half or in the 3rd quarter.
    On some of them the big was raised which did provide some deterent, but it seemed like an area where DFS players could find soft lines.
    Unfortunately my problem is that online SportsBooks have online casinos, and while I can be a great sports better, I am an awful gambler.

    Which does bring up a point I did not mention when I initially responded to this thread, how much I dabble in sports betting will also likely depend on if there is a site where I can only bet in sports (or with DFS) and not worry about getting bored and losing my money in slots or a few hands of blackjack, etc.

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  • jayzee666

    Anyone know of good online sportbooks that don’t deal in Bitcoins? I had a good one but then they went to the warcraft version of money!!

  • SkateFiend

    I haven’t won life changing money in DFS, but I’ve turned one dollar lineups into 50-70 bucks.

    Is there that kind of upside with sports betting? I put in a dollar to pick a team, and when they win I can get back 50 times the investment?

  • KindGuy

    @SkateFiend said...

    I haven’t won life changing money in DFS, but I’ve turned one dollar lineups into 50-70 bucks.

    Is there that kind of upside with sports betting? I put in a dollar to pick a team, and when they win I can get back 50 times the investment?

    Parlays. Not worth it imo but I’ve never bet before.

  • KindGuy

    Or bet some crazy futures like Leicester city winning the league a few years ago or Vegas winning the Stanley cup. Or UMBC upsetting Virginia.

  • rhallone

    Just stumbled upon this and wanted to say that legalized sports gambling is nothing new. You still have to put the money up before you wager and most will prefer to sweat their bets with a book where they don’t have to put up the cash. Nightly DFS tournaments require you to pay first and I think you get a different type of investor in DFS as opposed to sports gambling. Most people betting on sports are there for the rush not the long term investment or roi. I think the two (dfs/sports gambling) can definitely coexist. The two are totally different and you can say what you want but the ‘structure’ is the same by that I mean an entry in a gpp is similar to placing a wager; however, I’d say you have a 45/45/10% outcome in a wager and in DFS your percentage of cashing is much lower if creating a single lineup because the variables are so great.

  • rhallone

    Ryan its hard enough to sit across the table from a dealer and win! You definitely cant beat a computer online. Its just not setup fairly no matter what they say.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    ^
    I hear ya. Took a while but that’s why I don’t even let myself put any money on those sites. For whatever reason I don’t get as crazy about DFS. DFS feels like an equation of sorts and often when I succeed or fail, I can trace it back to decisions that I made which allow me to improve.

    As for the online casinos and being on the “up and up”. I would not be surprised if you told me that they tracked my betting habits, identified my personality and manipulated play based on that…as I am the idiot that if I’m winning a bunch to start, not only would I just wind up losing it back, but I’d also be more likely to redeposit and chase the money that seemed to come so easy at the start.

  • Supersharpie

    @BobbyTheBrain said...

    Lmao yea because you will definitely take down the big tourney in your lifetime. This is why dfs is way more of a risk for gambling addiction to people. The sites dangle that Big prize in front of you giving you hope that it’s attainable. I’ll take the cavs +12 with a 50/50 chance of doubling my money anyway rather than getting Nicole and dimed til I’m broke on dfs

    Different strokes. I play DFS instead of the lottery. Better odds.

    I cannot imagine putting in the time required to grind out a profit from sports betting.

    However, I can see how sports betting would appeal to those who prefer cash to GPP action.

  • Rasmus

    While it’s true that DFS, Poker and Sportsbetting is all gambling, there is a different amount of skill involved that allows us to make a profit over longterm or not.

    In Poker you can exploit the human weakness as people usually deviate from a mathematical perfect game. This is confirmed by huge data with significant winrates.
    The same is probably true for DFS, but the efficency due to the market-like character of the game and the higher rake absorbs more of the theoreticaly “edge” you can have over your opponents.
    Sportsbetting is completetely different story if your aim is to profit longterm. You bet against a market that is either very efficient (betting exchanges) or against a bookmaker that has a stupid high margin to avoid being exploited.

    For those who are interested, here is a very good approach of a quantitative research of 6000+ bettors.
    http://www.football-data.co.uk/blog/sports_betting_random.php
    It shows that even the most ambitious bettors do nothing more than replicate chance. Though there might be skill involved by some, the amount of people who have a edge longterm is probably way smaller than 1%.

  • tamparoor

    The day sports betting becomes legal in Florida I’m done with dfs. Last night is a perfect example why. Played in a mma contest and won all my fights went 6 for 6 and still didn’t cash
    But if I would of done a parlay on 6 fights I would of won good money.

  • MHDU2424

    @BobbyTheBrain said...

    Lmao yea because you will definitely take down the big tourney in your lifetime. This is why dfs is way more of a risk for gambling addiction to people. The sites dangle that Big prize in front of you giving you hope that it’s attainable. I’ll take the cavs +12 with a 50/50 chance of doubling my money anyway rather than getting Nicole and dimed til I’m broke on dfs

    There is actually a small chance to win life changing money in DFS though

    In sports betting, you don’t have a 50/50 chance of doubling your money. Most people get nickel and dimed to death because of the rake, and there is a low upside

    Yeah, you can probably “stay in the game” longer just by making straight sports bets, but in the long run you’re probably going to be down

    Tons of my friends bet sports (mostly football) and all of them know a good bit about sports, play fantasy, etc….they’re definitley all lifetime losers

  • Pats7914

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    Yes. They are different activities with different skill sets and different reasons for enjoyment

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