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  • jeffl33

    Can someone explain what they think is going on here? This really really bugs me. i’m a dfs novice and i’ve been trying my hand at college football Double ups. In a Fan Duel $5 112 entry league i entered for this saturday’s early slate, i only scored 139.52 so not that great. However, what caught my eye was that FIFTEEN teams had a score of 170.76 pts. How is that possible?! Are people buying line-ups from someone and everyone is just entering that same line-up? It’s really discouraging…it’s hard to believe 15 people in a 112 person league independently came up with the same lineup.

    Looking at draft kings i also notice, not to the extreme degree as FD though, a lot of users with the exact same lineup in my double up contests (5 teams with a 191.98pts). I’m actually almost equally skeptical of this since all the players for each team are placed in the same exact slots.

    maybe i just shouldn’t bother playing, deck seems stacked.

  • NelloJello

    Post the link for that early slate game

  • MikeSos760

    @jeffl33 said...

    Can someone explain what they think is going on here? This really really bugs me. i’m a dfs novice and i’ve been trying my hand at college football Double ups. In a Fan Duel $5 112 entry league i entered for this saturday’s early slate, i only scored 139.52 so not that great. However, what caught my eye was that FIFTEEN teams had a score of 170.76 pts. How is that possible?! Are people buying line-ups from someone and everyone is just entering that same line-up? It’s really discouraging…it’s hard to believe 15 people in a 112 person league independently came up with the same lineup.

    Looking at draft kings i also notice, not to the extreme degree as FD though, a lot of users with the exact same lineup in my double up contests (5 teams with a 191.98pts). I’m actually almost equally skeptical of this since all the players for each team are placed in the same exact slots.

    maybe i just shouldn’t bother playing, deck seems stacked.

    Yes people share lineups. A lot of the “pros” have been criticized for it.

    People also buy lineups from various outfits.

  • jeffl33

    https://www.fanduel.com/games/13197/contests/13197-16089156/entries/243450472/scoring

  • jeffl33

    here’s another tournament. Only 6 teams had the 170.76 lineup. of course i finish one slot out of the money…i guess there’s no point for me or anyone else who is a novice to enter these double-ups if so many entries are just people buying a pro’s lineup and entering it. what crap.

    https://www.fanduel.com/games/13197/contests/13197-16272939/entries/243450211/scoring

  • MikeSos760

    Yeah they are lineup sharing, or one of them is selling the lineup. It is sadly a common thing. I’ll have to give ChipotleAddict shit next time I see him in the RG Chat room. He is ranked 19th overall on RG too.

    https://rotogrinders.com/profiles/chipotleaddict

  • MikeSos760

    I’d suggest maybe entering 5 $1 50/50s instead, but even in those there are lineup sharing. I looked at one of mine today and there were multiple small groupings of people with the same lineup.

  • jeffl33

    Didn’t ChipotleAddict just win a million dollars? this is pathetic. Does he really need to buy someone else’s lineup (or sell his lineup?) and enter $5 double-ups!?

    i’m pretty sure most novices wouldn’t play if they knew how rampant lineup sharing was…

  • MikeSos760

    @jeffl33 said...

    Didn’t ChipotleAddict just win a million dollars? this is pathetic. Does he really need to buy someone else’s lineup (or sell his lineup?) and enter $5 double-ups!?

    i’m pretty sure most novices wouldn’t play if they knew how rampant lineup sharing was…

    I guess he did. It is pathetic. That’s why I don’t like playing double ups (50/50s too) that are above $1, especially massive ones. Most novices I feel like don’t play those types of games though. I know that all I did was play GPPs for the longest time when I started (friends did too), before I knew about Rotogrinders and such.

  • einars

    @MikeSos760 said...

    Yeah they are lineup sharing, or one of them is selling the lineup. It is sadly a common thing. I’ll have to give ChipotleAddict shit next time I see him in the RG Chat room. He is ranked 19th overall on RG too.

    https://rotogrinders.com/profiles/chipotleaddict

    He just won 1.2 mil last weektoo.

  • tgowen

    • Blogger of the Month

    Big BR players sharing lineups (and/or working in teams) is just another in the long list of issues that sites don’t care about. Although, I’ll admit that where sites can easily fix things like scripts and volume limits (but choose not to), this is a problem I don’t think much can be done about.

  • jterryn

    • 2015 FAFC Finalist

    Sharing lineups is definitely an annoying problem, but I’m not sure that was the case in this instance. I had that exact same lineup in some tourneys. The lack of roster flexibility and the soft cap led a lot of people to make this exact team.

  • db730

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    This week for CFB On FanDuel there were three VERY obvious values in Canzeri, Frohnapfel, & Sharpe……I landed on that lineup myself and I promise you I didn’t share that lineup with anyone. 6 out 81 in the $200 Playboy Q had that lineup as well and it would make no sense to play an identical lineup as your buddy in that top heavy payout game.

    Lineup sharing happens, but I don’t think it took place here. It was just poor pricing that drove people to the same players.

  • DCoop328

    My original LU was the one that scored 170.76 but I changed it a little and I still tied with about 20 people in GPPs because of what Dan said Canzeri, Frohnapfel, and Sharpe basically led to other plays with how much $$$ was left.

  • walkoff9

    Look at ownership, only 2 guys were under 50% and they were not far under.

    Sometimes, especially in CFB the value plays are real obvious and it allows fitting the same stars into the LU.

  • Putz

    Remember their names and track them the next few weeks, once is a coincidence, twice means they share.

  • tomac

    @db730 said...

    This week for CFB On FanDuel there were three VERY obvious values in Canzeri, Frohnapfel, & Sharpe……I landed on that lineup myself and I promise you I didn’t share that lineup with anyone. 6 out 81 in the $200 Playboy Q had that lineup as well and it would make no sense to play an identical lineup as your buddy in that top heavy payout game.

    Lineup sharing happens, but I don’t think it took place here. It was just poor pricing that drove people to the same players.

    While I agree there were some obvious value plays, 15 out of 112 seems extreme.

  • beauvanlaanen

    @db730 said...

    This week for CFB On FanDuel there were three VERY obvious values in Canzeri, Frohnapfel, & Sharpe……I landed on that lineup myself and I promise you I didn’t share that lineup with anyone. 6 out 81 in the $200 Playboy Q had that lineup as well and it would make no sense to play an identical lineup as your buddy in that top heavy payout game.

    Lineup sharing happens, but I don’t think it took place here. It was just poor pricing that drove people to the same players.

    this seems like the most likely possibility

  • beauvanlaanen

    i think if you were worried about people sharing lineups you would just see 2-3 people share a screenname and split the cost of entry and the profit like rayofhope

  • DCoop328

    I originally had that same lineup and I don’t lineup share so no I don’t think it was out of the ordinary in this case.

  • headChopper

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    This is what happens when a site puts in very little effort to adjust salaries from week to week

  • sgaffney

    I’m in a 227 man 50/50 today and 4 other people have the exact same line up as me. I’m a normal player, didn’t share with anyone. It happens sometimes.

    There is some funny stuff going on and some things in the past have been exposed by this forum, which is great, but that also doesn’t mean that every odd or questionable occurrence is automatically collusion/cheating/ or people trying to screw you over.

  • pacers19191

    I was in the CFB early only slate.

    In my large double up there were tons of people with the same lineup as me. A rare coincidence, but it does happen.

  • monds6

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    I do not share lineups, use algorithms, or automation in anyway. My lineup on FD was very similar to several peoples line-ups. The plays on FD were very obvious. Canizeri, Fumghalli, Sharp, Jakeem Grant, Mahomes were top plays based on matchups and pricing. You can look at DK and see the same players were heavily owned as well, but b.c the line-ups are bigger there is less duplication. On FD it is easy to build an identical lineup as someone else. However, I am sure some of those if not the majority were bought, built via a site’s optimizer etc… Just the reality. FD needs to add a Flex or 2nd QB to help minimize that possibility.

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    That was a pretty easy lineup to end up on. Canzeri and Sharpe were both mispriced and showed up on almost all of my teams.

    Then if you wanted the two obvious studs in Fournette and Roger Lewis in cash games, then that lineup would easily come together. I had a piece (and often times multiple pieces) of each player in that lineup across my teams.

    Unfortunately I got way too stuck on Mahomes in cash games, so my cash lineup wasn’t quite that good despite having Canzeri, Sharpe, and Lewis.

  • bobbyrogers46

    Again, this just goes to show, that these sites need to make several improvements to their products. Fantasy Feud does a great job with their salary settings if you ask me.

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