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  • aarong89

    I know DK and FD are the prime players in DFS but why is there not much data and info for Yahoo Fantasy? any pros have input on this and why?

  • Orangeflow

    I took a look at their games. They would BLOW UP if they allowed no minimums on their deposits and .25 Jukebox games. DKs main housing of players is .25 Jukebox players who slide in the $1 $2 game slates a few times a month/week. MASSIVE housing of this range keeps DK going. Rest are mid range to high stakes players.

    Create Jukebox contests and “They will come”.

    Could also be the first to offer .50, .75 gpps………man’o‘man will they blow up quick!

    Have them do a market demographics of player games on DK. HUGE portion of the DK player resident “housing” is .25 Jukeboxes. They draw in the people to get their feet wet who are scared or want to learn at low risk! 20 x $1 max entry to put a 20 lineup train in a gpp = $20 on DK = too much risk to learn. But a DK 20 x .25 Jukebox 20 lineup train in a gpp on DK = $5 to learn. People in droves EAT THEM UP as fast as they can list them!

    Also those Jukebox folks who place well tend to be high stakes players once they get more comfortable. (Inevitable)

    Let me know if you guys ever create the Jukeboxes Daniel and I will gladly slide a chunk your way the same day.

    Then Daniel make a post here in the forums announcing you offer Jukeboxes, (hopefully .25, .50, .75) and watch the deposits roll in.

  • mike291md

    @Orangeflow said...

    I took a look at their games. They would BLOW UP if they allowed no minimums on their deposits and .25 Jukebox games. DKs main housing of players is .25 Jukebox players who slide in the $1 $2 game slates a few times a month/week. MASSIVE housing of this range keeps DK going. Rest are mid range to high stakes players.

    Create Jukebox contests and “They will come”.

    Could also be the first to offer .50, .75 gpps………man’o‘man will they blow up quick!

    Have them do a market demographics of player games on DK. HUGE portion of the DK player resident “housing” is .25 Jukeboxes. They draw in the people to get their feet wet who are scared or want to learn at low risk! 20 x $1 max entry to put a 20 lineup train in a gpp = $20 on DK = too much risk to learn. But a DK 20 x .25 Jukebox 20 lineup train in a gpp on DK = $5 to learn. People in droves EAT THEM UP as fast as they can list them!

    Also those Jukebox folks who place well tend to be high stakes players once they get more comfortable. (Inevitable)

    Let me know if you guys ever create the Jukeboxes Daniel and I will gladly slide a chunk your way the same day.

    Then Daniel make a post here in the forums announcing you offer Jukeboxes, (hopefully .25, .50, .75) and watch the deposits roll in.

    As a regular “Quarter Arcade” DFS player on DK, I absolutely agree with this! Quarter games would definitely bring in more casual players. I haven’t played at Yahoo in a while (aside from their freerolls) but also I would like to suggest going away from top-heavy prize pool structures. You should feel rewarded for getting into the money. These GPP’s where only the top 5 get good money (if even that) are becoming less probable and less appealing as players/lineups/player tactics get better.

    GPP’s, a few years ago, you didn’t necessarily need the perfect lineup to take down a nice pot in a tourney. Nowadays, the task seems insurmountable. Top lineups are essentially perfect. Online poker tourneys held incentive way back when because you didn’t need final table money to feel rewarded. And you didn’t need to play a perfect game of poker, either. Just food for thought.

    I have played Yahoo before, but a long time ago. In fact, I posted on this site about how the prize structures were too top-heavy at the time. I haven’t deposited back since, but quarter games and better prize structures would definitely draw me back personally.

    References to older threads about this:

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/why-is-yahoo-s-gpp-pay-structure-so-insanely-top-heavy-1236589?page=1#reply-1236848

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/are-payout-structures-too-top-heavy-763237?page=3#reply-765010

  • DanielHaight

    • Yahoo Representative

    @mike291md said...

    I have played Yahoo before, but a long time ago. In fact, I posted on this site about how the prize structures were too top-heavy at the time. I haven’t deposited back since, but quarter games and better prize structures would definitely draw me back personally.

    We modified the prize structures maybe a year ago or so, to be much flatter. In general my goals around payout structures are:

    - 10% to 1st – 20-25% of entries get paid out – lowest payout should be 2x the entry fee

    These aren’t hard and fast rules, as it’s not always possible, but general guidelines for our GPPs.

    Also we just started testing $.25 entry fee tourneys for NBA: https://sports.yahoo.com/dailyfantasy/contest/2368872?pid=rotogrinders&aid=rotogrinders

  • PhoFever

    I love the new .25 NBA tourney. I suck at NBA and it’s nice to have a low buy-in contest to practice. I hope you consider doing the same for NHL and MLB, even if it starts as a very small field contest. I regularly play the .25 cent NHL leagues and 50/50s on Fantasy Draft…pretty much the only reason I have a Fantasy Draft account.

  • frugal

    @kaetorade said...

    I can only assume it’s sponsor-related. If you’re a cash game player, Yahoo is much more ideal. They are much more rake-friendly and are generous with their bonuses. I absolutely love the late swap and I’ve taken all my action to Yahoo. Probably not a game changer, but definitely noteworthy is that you don’t have to worry about ‘adjusted’ stats. Those that play at DK will understand. My biggest gripe is that their salaries are very soft and super slow to adjust to actual performance/situations(role changes).

    I love the Yahoo salary structure and don’t see it as soft at all. Yes, there are often players under priced but you also have studs which can exceed 25% of the cap, it balances out. Yahoo seems to be tracking some type of moving average rather than jumping after a single game. On DK, a player has a big game and their salary jumps and then takes forever to adjust back down. Give me the slower moving salaries all day, we all have the same “advantage” in that case, sometimes the advantage is to fade the free square making the harder choice to pay up at a chalk value spot.

  • KATHY55knowsBO

    @DanielHaight said...

    The only states we don’t operate in, relative to other operators, are Delaware, Missouri (application pending), and Florida (sigh).

    We’re hoping to ramp up our affiliate program this year, which should hopefully bring with it additional resources for players.

    Application pending in missouri? Its been pending for years. Give me a break.. Get it done YAHOO

  • Agent47

    @Greenmonstah said...

    Hi Daniel, do you have a timetable for when we will be reimbursed from the ppd Pelican game?

    TIA

    Maybe I’m late to the party, but this is the first I’m hearing of any reimbursement for that postponed game. Is this legit? Was there an email sent out or something?

  • edro990

    Gave Yahoo strong consideration last season for MLB, but not a fan of the 2 pitcher format or negative points for hits allowed. From a non-professional player’s perspective I appreciate what they are trying to do, but I can’t get on board with the format in MLB. If they ever developed a single pitcher format I’d move all my play there.

  • XxHeisenbergxX

    I just opened my yahoo account a few minutes ago and just opened a paypal…I am looking forward to getting started and learning how to play on yahoo.

  • jimfred82

    • Blogger of the Month

    I’ve been playing on yahoo much more this year than last. The salaries are much more interesting with studs versus duds, and you can usually find a few “diamonds in the rough.” It’s a fun site for sure.

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @edro990 said...

    Gave Yahoo strong consideration last season for MLB, but not a fan of the 2 pitcher format or negative points for hits allowed. From a non-professional player’s perspective I appreciate what they are trying to do, but I can’t get on board with the format in MLB. If they ever developed a single pitcher format I’d move all my play there.

    Really hoping they NEVER go that route.

  • klhbui

    Yahoo IMO is great for beginner and for people who plays with low-medium volume. There are a tons of single entry gpp, fair pricing on players, and great customer service. Also their interface is top-notch, so simple and clean

  • Gfry3

    Want to give a shout out to Yahoo, pushing their GPP limits on NBA last few days and payouts have sped up as well, requested one last night and got it this morning, well done! Love the 10 max entries on the big GPPs!

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