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  • precator

    The last few days Yahoo seems to switched their biggest entries GPP from $5 to now $15 dollars. I used to love MME on the $5 dollar but now since its $15 an entry not as doable for me. Anyone know what prompted the change? I know I wont MME as much anymore due to this I personally wish they would go back.

  • DFSx42

    I hear ya, just be aware MME usually stand for 150x not the 10x max yahoo uses

    they’ve been changing formats, pricing, payout structures, etc all year, each slate it’s different

    they’re obviously experimenting and as you’re voting with your wallet, they will notice and if enough people like you then they’ll adjust

    I just miss the no rake events, those were a thing of beauty

  • mogizzle

    In the exact same boat, $5 was the sweet spot for me. I’ve gone from $50 a night in gpp entries to $10 now that they took that tourney away

  • precator

    Hoping they change it back

  • NIN1002

    Yahoo seems to be making a lot of changes. Some seem pretty minor (apparently the PGA cup has a sponsor now and has been renamed some crazy long title), and some seem pretty major (the $15 GPP’s in MLB….a number I’ve never seen Yahoo use….and this $20, 5.7K max players golf tourney). I’m not Dan Haight, so I can’t speak for all of it, but it seems like the Yahoo people are executing some sort of laid out long in advance “plan” (whatever that may be) starting all the way back to added money NBA tourneys before Christmas (sidenote: would it have killed Yahoo to give one of those Thursday NBA slates over to the NHL community? Throw us a bone….lol).

    Anyway, it is mildly fascinating watching the evolution. I just tend to roll with it myself and accept it is what it is. Hard to really say if I am in favor or against it as as soon as you get adjusted to one thing (added money tourneys turned into no site fee tourneys turned into $15/$20 GPP’s)….it just evolves to something new and unexpected (and surprising).

    Perhaps for May they will create a $109 GPP with 20K guaranteed seats with $1,000,000 added AND 1% ownership of Yahoo/Verizon kicked in on a 5 game MLB slate. Then on the big day three of the games will rain out. Roth will have never seen it coming with the weather. People would really talk about that one. :) Be the stuff of legend and lore.

  • precator

    Looks like for today they dropped the main tourney from $15 to $10 better, but still not great. I think a big 7 or 8 dollar one would be perfect.

  • frugal

    Not a fan of most the experimentation so far. The best change they could make IMHO is offering early slates like DK and FD. I’d love to see that.

  • hautalak

    @frugal said...

    The best change they could make IMHO is offering early slates like DK and FD. I’d love to see that.

    I think that is a win/win because it gets them more turnover and people playing their “winnings” in the later slates. I rarely play any of the “early” on Yahoo unless it was with Snell there and that was the only way I could pitch him.

  • PhoFever

    @frugal said...

    Not a fan of most the experimentation so far. The best change they could make IMHO is offering early slates like DK and FD. I’d love to see that.

    I agree; wonder why they’ve been so resistant.

    On the other hand, there is something I like about their all-day slates. There are a lot of people who stack the early games just to get some action early in the day. I’ve seen some of the dumbest lineups of all time that fit these category – lineups where people do a game stack WITH both pitchers from that game. While occasionally these work, more often than not, they flop, so you can leapfrog a fair portion of the field who is simply playing the early games to get their fix.

  • frugal

    @PhoFever said...

    I agree; wonder why they’ve been so resistant.

    On the other hand, there is something I like about their all-day slates. There are a lot of people who stack the early games just to get some action early in the day. I’ve seen some of the dumbest lineups of all time that fit these category – lineups where people do a game stack WITH both pitchers from that game. While occasionally these work, more often than not, they flop, so you can leapfrog a fair portion of the field who is simply playing the early games to get their fix.

    I’m not suggesting they abandon the All-Day. I’ve taken advantage of those in NBA often and noticed the same that folks seem to stack the early and when the best games are later it’s easy to cash. But for MLB, they really ought to offer Early, All-Day, and Main.

  • rgriffin37

    @frugal said...

    I’m not suggesting they abandon the All-Day. I’ve taken advantage of those in NBA often and noticed the same that folks seem to stack the early and when the best games are later it’s easy to cash. But for MLB, they really ought to offer Early, All-Day, and Main.

    I completely agree with this. I would play the early slates if they offered them.

  • britdevine

    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    I’ve personally made no MLB GPP teams without the rake free incentive.

    If I’m going to spend time making GPP teams on yahoo by hand it needs to be worth my time compared to other prizepools where I can use the lineup builder and CSV

  • DanielHaight

    • Yahoo Representative

    @hautalak said...

    I think that is a win/win because it gets them more turnover and people playing their “winnings” in the later slates. I rarely play any of the “early” on Yahoo unless it was with Snell there and that was the only way I could pitch him.

    The main reason we don’t run early only slates is because our payout system only pays out overnight. We’ve been looking at ways to pay out sooner after each slate ends. Once we have that solved, we’ll ramp up the early only slates for MLB.

  • rgriffin37

    @DanielHaight said...

    The main reason we don’t run early only slates is because our payout system only pays out overnight. We’ve been looking at ways to pay out sooner after each slate ends. Once we have that solved, we’ll ramp up the early only slates for MLB.

    This is excellent news.

  • hautalak

    @DanielHaight said...

    The main reason we don’t run early only slates is because our payout system only pays out overnight. We’ve been looking at ways to pay out sooner after each slate ends. Once we have that solved, we’ll ramp up the early only slates for MLB.

    I see. Thank you for the response on this one!

    I’ve been personally playing more Yahoo the last 2 months or so, so keep up the good work.

  • DanielHaight

    • Yahoo Representative

    @NIN1002 said...

    Perhaps for May they will create a $109 GPP with 20K guaranteed seats with $1,000,000 added AND 1% ownership of Yahoo/Verizon kicked in on a 5 game MLB slate. Then on the big day three of the games will rain out. Roth will have never seen it coming with the weather. People would really talk about that one. :) Be the stuff of legend and lore.

    Running it by the Verizon CEO, will get back to you shortly ;).

  • NIN1002

    @DanielHaight said...

    Running it by the Verizon CEO, will get back to you shortly ;).

    You’re a good man, Dan. And when this comes to fruition, I will upgrade you to a GREAT man. :)

    Keep up the good work over there!!!

  • precator

    Dan will you guys be bringing back the $5 dollar big gpps, I loved these they were my perfect price point.

  • precator

    Looks like they brought back the $5 dollar tourney tonight!

  • mark_james1985

    Need not only pay out after each slate but also pay out for each league after completion in season longs. My NBA season longs(3) have been done over a month and I still cant get my winnings because evidently there are still NBA leagues running(amateur hour). So because of that, they couldn’t even pay out before the MASTERS….I could not believe they would not even think about that. My $120 would of went right into 6 line ups. And instead I am going to withdraw it now and play the money on DK just because I wanted to play the Masters so bad and it didnt happen. They barely got there 5.7k people to enter, I guarantee that contest and all the others would of been filled by MONDAY had they paid out season longs. Its just bad business practices all around. And I am taking my money elsewhere now because of it.

  • NIN1002

    @mark_james1985 said...

    Need not only pay out after each slate but also pay out for each league after completion in season longs. My NBA season longs(3) have been done over a month and I still cant get my winnings because evidently there are still NBA leagues running(amateur hour). So because of that, they couldn’t even pay out before the MASTERS….I could not believe they would not even think about that. My $120 would of went right into 6 line ups. And instead I am going to withdraw it now and play the money on DK just because I wanted to play the Masters so bad and it didnt happen. They barely got there 5.7k people to enter, I guarantee that contest and all the others would of been filled by MONDAY had they paid out season longs. Its just bad business practices all around. And I am taking my money elsewhere now because of it.

    The season long things are a totally different entity at Yahoo than the DFS leagues. This really isn’t something that can be controlled by anyone reading this forum at Yahoo.

    Second, having played Pro Leagues and money leagues at Yahoo since they began offering them…it has ALWAYS been two to three weeks for that money to show up in my account AFTER the season ends. Pretty sure this is mentioned somewhere in the FAQ when you sign up for these leagues (I would go look, but I’m not going to do your homework for you so go look yourself), so you shouldn’t be surprised at all as this is exactly how it goes every year, and you are told this right at the beginning (if you bothered to read the T.O.S. Which no doubt you didn’t). Always humorous seeing a hater that didn’t read the rulebook!

    Go take your sandpail and play in your own sandbox..lol.

    Sidenote: If you are waiting on your $120 from NBA season long leagues just to put 100% of it into 6 – $20 PGA entries…that sounds like awful bankroll management and seems to explain why you have no $$$ in your Yahoo wallet.

  • DFSx42

    @Dan Haight, One thing I strongly wish Yahoo would consider is adjusting the payout levels in the tournaments.

    First of all, this comes from a place of love. I love yahoo’s structure, their far more reasonable rake and their UI is bar none the best. However, I’m seeing the gpps inch more and more towards the absurd top heavy structure of other sites.

    In upcoming 1.1k entry $10 golf gpp it’s 2k to 1st and $125 to 5th, same with the NBA

    upcoming 1k entry $15 mlb gpp it’s $3k to first and $200 to 5th. 6th place pays $100. A top 0.54% finish, finishing better than 1,094 other people and below just 5 and you don’t even clear a 7x payout on your buyin

    I love the payout structure of the single entries, those are far more level. I really wish we could take the same payout structure of a 114 man single entry and extrapolate that to the gpp.

    Daniel, these payouts are antithetical to Yahoo’s stated mission of creating an environment to level the playing field. It ensures that a few people will hit yahtzee and cash out their winnings while the overwhelming majority die off and become disenfranchised. One could do a single entry in this tournament each night and could run absurdly good and get a 6th place once per week and still lose money. Or better yet, max enter with 10 entries, miss the cash line on 8 of them, min cash 1 of them ($30), finish 6th in another ($100) and still lose $20 on the slate. That’s a broken payout structure where someone can finish 6th in 1.1k entry gpp and still lose money on their 10 lineups.

    I don’t think anyone would have any objections if 1st place in that $15 mlb got $1k instead of $3k. I would really like to see gpps on Yahoo become more about making top 20 or so a viable target rather than top 2 or bust which is what it is.

    I’m all on board for the top heavy stuff for special events like the Masters, but for day to day stuff it’s just bleeding the community. I still do them because I’m a degenerate but I’m legitimately considering swapping out to cash and single entry only instead of continuing to max enter these each night. I was able to earlier talk myself into it with basketball given the non-rake made up for the payout structure but it’s a hard sell to commit $150 plus each night banking on a 1st or 2nd. If I continue to max enter each slate, that’ll cost me another $24,000 to find out if I have any 1st or 2nd place finishes in me. Having just calculated that, which then makes me realize I’ll still need to do it multiple times just to break even.

    Please consider changing the structure – those numbers are enticing but it’s really no different from powerball in this format.

  • precator

    I completely agree I hate the top heavy payouts

  • frugal

    @DanielHaight said...

    The main reason we don’t run early only slates is because our payout system only pays out overnight. We’ve been looking at ways to pay out sooner after each slate ends. Once we have that solved, we’ll ramp up the early only slates for MLB.

    This is fantastic news, can’t wait.

  • rgriffin37

    @DFSx42 said...

    @Dan Haight, One thing I strongly wish Yahoo would consider is adjusting the payout levels in the tournaments.

    First of all, this comes from a place of love. I love yahoo’s structure, their far more reasonable rake and their UI is bar none the best. However, I’m seeing the gpps inch more and more towards the absurd top heavy structure of other sites.

    In upcoming 1.1k entry $10 golf gpp it’s 2k to 1st and $125 to 5th, same with the NBA

    upcoming 1k entry $15 mlb gpp it’s $3k to first and $200 to 5th. 6th place pays $100. A top 0.54% finish, finishing better than 1,094 other people and below just 5 and you don’t even clear a 7x payout on your buyin

    I love the payout structure of the single entries, those are far more level. I really wish we could take the same payout structure of a 114 man single entry and extrapolate that to the gpp.

    Daniel, these payouts are antithetical to Yahoo’s stated mission of creating an environment to level the playing field. It ensures that a few people will hit yahtzee and cash out their winnings while the overwhelming majority die off and become disenfranchised. One could do a single entry in this tournament each night and could run absurdly good and get a 6th place once per week and still lose money. Or better yet, max enter with 10 entries, miss the cash line on 8 of them, min cash 1 of them ($30), finish 6th in another ($100) and still lose $20 on the slate. That’s a broken payout structure where someone can finish 6th in 1.1k entry gpp and still lose money on their 10 lineups.

    I don’t think anyone would have any objections if 1st place in that $15 mlb got $1k instead of $3k. I would really like to see gpps on Yahoo become more about making top 20 or so a viable target rather than top 2 or bust which is what it is.

    I’m all on board for the top heavy stuff for special events like the Masters, but for day to day stuff it’s just bleeding the community. I still do them because I’m a degenerate but I’m legitimately considering swapping out to cash and single entry only instead of continuing to max enter these each night. I was able to earlier talk myself into it with basketball given the non-rake made up for the payout structure but it’s a hard sell to commit $150 plus each night banking on a 1st or 2nd. If I continue to max enter each slate, that’ll cost me another $24,000 to find out if I have any 1st or 2nd place finishes in me. Having just calculated that, which then makes me realize I’ll still need to do it multiple times just to break even.

    Please consider changing the structure – those numbers are enticing but it’s really no different from powerball in this format.

    I agree with all of this. Yahoo used to have solid payout structure but have recently been veering more towards the top heavy payout structure. A smaller first place prize with flatter payouts would be ideal and more conducive to casual and lower stakes players.

  • ElSlappo

    I also would prefer a flatter payout structure for gpps.

    I would also suggest picking a fee amount somewhere in the 7-10 dollar range for the main nightly gpp and jacking up the size.

    The non major pga gpps have been a little small also imo

    Overall really like yahoo

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