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  • precator

    The last few days Yahoo seems to switched their biggest entries GPP from $5 to now $15 dollars. I used to love MME on the $5 dollar but now since its $15 an entry not as doable for me. Anyone know what prompted the change? I know I wont MME as much anymore due to this I personally wish they would go back.

  • DanielHaight

    • Yahoo Representative

    @NIN1002 said...

    The season long things are a totally different entity at Yahoo than the DFS leagues. This really isn’t something that can be controlled by anyone reading this forum at Yahoo.

    You doubt my power?

    Actually, we are going to be improving the underlying architecture of our season long pro leagues—which will greatly expedite payouts when those leagues finish. Possibly for NFL this year if all goes well.

  • DFSx42

    Daniel, is there any chance Yahoo would consider a flatter payout structure?

  • precator

    Yes Daniel any chance? The people have spoken! Lol. I for one do not doubt your power. I have seen you perform miracles 🙂

  • yisman

    I prefer flatter payout structures as well.

    Top-heavy is no good.

  • Moszman

    Flatter payouts would mean bye bye FanDuel hello yahoo for me.

  • precator

    Yahoo are you listening… Good opportunity here 🙂

  • mogizzle

    they did flatten the MLB 15k guaranteed a bit. used to be 3k to first and now it’s 2k. Haven’t done anything with the 5k yet

  • DFSx42

    I saw that today and Max regged

  • ElwoodB

    I can only play GPP’s on Yahoo because you don’t have decent sized 50/50s. I’d like to see 100 entry 50/50s, at least several in each price category.

  • NIN1002

    @ElwoodB said...

    I can only play GPP’s on Yahoo because you don’t have decent sized 50/50s. I’d like to see 100 entry 50/50s, at least several in each price category.

    I’m with you on this. I won’t even play 10 man contests anymore as there is no point in playing MORE moklovin, Killab, kirkdiese, Bric, papagates…..they are in EVERY SINGLE contest, ,so at least in the 20+ man contests, can get a few different players in the mix. The 10 man contests are just pure death and just loaded with the sharks. Avoid at all costs.

    It would be interesting if Yahoo placed a limit on how many 10 man contests you could enter at each level or do something to try and restrict the max bankroll players from being in 100% of the contests (and no joke…these guys are in EVERY SINGLE contest). This would at least provide players an opportunity to have a mixed playing field instead of playing the same guys at every price level ($1, $2, $5, $10, $20, $25, $50, $109, $270, $500, $1000). I don’t expect this to be a realistic solution that Yahoo would do, unfortunately, but it’s still a problem that 90% of the entry fees are being paid by 5% of the player pool.

  • britdevine

    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    The big thing Yahoo needs to do is simply not allow the biggest winners to play $1-$2 contests like DK and FD, that would make the 10 mans more tolerable for players that mentioned this

  • NIN1002

    @britdevine said...

    The big thing Yahoo needs to do is simply not allow the biggest winners to play $1-$2 contests like DK and FD, that would make the 10 mans more tolerable for players that mentioned this

    Well said, Britt. Yahoo is too small that it’s easy for the deepest pocket players to “stuff the box”. Being a Yahoo only player, I simply will never be able to compete with the bankrolls of the top dogs of DK and FD and their prizes they can win (and subsequently deposit) at Yahoo.

    And, really, is it the top of the top of the food chains fault? They will continue to enter 100% of the contests with no concern or compassion or really give a f*** about anyone else outside of themselves. It’s chump change to win $2000 (the top prize in the biggest GPP at Yahoo) when you can win six figure outcomes at FD/DK every night. There is no one stopping them, and Yahoo is just another set of contests to “increase the lineup variance” across sites to minimize risk (albeit a small percentage of nightly bankroll spent). Really, unless Yahoo wants to intervene to establish some sort of player limits/policy to even out the contests with different players in them, it will NEVER change.

    But, of course, back to the beginning…..these 5% of guys are paying 95% of the total sites entry fees (as most of us Yahoo only guys cannot build a large enough bankroll to play the very few $109+ contests….it’s just a who’s who of the RG top 100 leaderboard…..and 100% of those players made their bank on a different site other than Yahoo).

    And the thing that just rubs salt in the wound as most of these guys roll out the exact same lineup every night. Are they geniuses that there is only one solution they all see? Or do they all use the same lineup builder and/or just post the lineup they will all enter? For it’s always the same guys….same lineups….same top of the leaderboard guys. It’s not enough that they are everywhere, but on top of that their lineups are better than anyone else’s and they are identical to each other. It’s not just about beating moklovin or lozingitall, it’s beating ALL of them with the exact same one lineup. And yeah yeah….you can use the tired logic of “you only need to beat one lineup”, but who’s going to beat these guys consistently on a nightly basis to make it a profitable (or fun) experience? These guys are the who’s who of the RG top 100 leaderboard and names flashing in bright lights showcasing their $50,000 prizes every night. It’s too simplistic to just say, “you only need to beat one lineup” as that one lineup is consistently made with better software than RG has to offer and is then shared amongst the “syndicate”. Every single one of us will be a loser in the end. Just for some it will take longer than others. Math tells us so. That’s why those guys are the top of the food chain and you and me are not.

    The vicious circle continues.

  • mogizzle

    Yeah, this is going to be a problem until Yahoo grows its player base. I transitioned to Yahoo only last year and I never play 50/50’s unless I can manage to sneak into one with overlay. Basically, I usually max enter a gpp and play the quickmatches i’m allotted. You’ll get matched up with the pros on quickmatches too but there are enough regular players in the mix that it makes it worth it. Plus, quickmatches are rake free and i’m also burning through a big 4% deposit bonus so I figure as long as i’m not totally awful, it’s a +EV way for me to supplement my gpp entries

  • LilStewie1999

    I have recently started playing Yahoo and have noticed a few “ Sharks” but for the most part I believe it’s still a matter of you get what you put in.
    I’m a sparky in the working world and I do a lot of projects in different office building’s in downtown Chicago . I have run projects from the business district to Stockmarket row and even some of the private North Loop old money jobs . And I’ve watched groups of people make money in every which way Possible. And it taught me a lot about money and people over the years. But when it comes to any form of gambling I don’t believe there is a singular secret web site that gives whales all the magic lineups . But what I did learn was when you put teams together that their sole purpose is to put teams together then you will get some form of consistent winning. Why is that ? Well this is their jobs and they are good at it . I have personally built very expensive electrical projects for a few of the Dratkings/FanDuel groups . And from what I could see it was a job. I could be in a office for a small brokerage co or a project for a analytics corp and it’s the same . They all have to work long hours sitting in front a screen murmuring “ awe s@&%” every day.
    My interest has always been the people in these jobs and not the jobs themselves. It’s interesting to see the very real “ Borg “ collective they share. It’s kinda funny to me as I walk from desk to pod to conference room I’m a ghost. I have worked days or even weeks without one person making eye contact with me. They are stuck in this alternate universe that it is truly amazing to me! It showed me that gambling to win on a semi consistent basis is a miserable job that seems to lack any type of true joy . Even when they win beyond their projected earnings it still leaves them unfilled.
    I have loved sports and gambling on sports my whole life . I still compete in a sport as a semi pro and love each day I have the opportunity to do so. And I have learned that it’s way more fun when I take down a pro then a amateur . And in gambling I feel the same way. I have been relatively successful in what I put my head and heart into . I will never complain when I lose against someone as it’s a huge waste of time and productivity. I would rather spend that time honing myself , that way I can enjoy my victories instead of wallowing in defeat.
    Sorry for the side track lol ADD does that . Everyone has a system they use or a model to try and succeed . And then there’s just large groups of people that are a singular user name on any one of the DFS sites. They have the money and resources to dominate most of the “ smaller fish” . But they do not have the ability to take away a person’s experience . No cheat sheet is going to tell you that a homerun ball is going turn a bird to feathers instead hitting the bleachers. Even when you can factor in millions of anomalies there is never going to be a sure thing.
    I sit and watch all of those sharks with deep pockets and smile . Because in the end you can either work for it or you can gamble for it . The only sure bet everyone can probably agree on is them saying , “ I shoulda ,I could’ve “ with every lost wager. So as for me I prefer the old method of (KISS) . So when I lose it’s easy to see how and the same for when I win. Everyday I trust my instinct and with a little due diligence I win just a fraction more . Every step of self confidence I gain I move up in money . I’m not wealthy nor am by any means poor . But I still love the chase above any amount of money . I will lose a dollar to a gladly when then next I take ten back !
    Please excuse any writing faux pas ahead of time as it’s not my bread and butter. Good luck to everyone

  • DFSx42

    couldn’t agree more about the need for yahoo to clamp down on the amount of 10 man groups some players can enter

    Let’s be real here, Yahoo probably throws down at most 10× 10 mans for $1 each baseball slate, for a total rake of $10, that money means nothing to their bottom line. If we only count the contests they run of less than 23 entries for $5 or less then we’re talking at most $100 dollars or so in revenue on an active slate (multiple iterations fill and new ones are created and then fill as well). As a startup veteran, I can confidently say that if I had a bootstrapped team of 6 running a DFS site, $100 revenue wouldn’t matter and wouldn’t make or break anything. I highly doubt that $100 matters more to an established monolith like Verizon – which owns Yahoo. This is why I just don’t buy the “but they provide revenue” reasoning. They provide serious revenue, but it’s not from the 10 man $1 50/50s

    If Yahoo simply said that anyone with Diamond level can’t play anything with fewer than 23 people for less than $5 or could only play a limited amount of them then that would make a world of difference to the community as a whole. Especially so during football season when the amount of casual players jumps significantly. These guys are so active that they constantly reg up for all the new ones as they are created. I have a winning record vs most of those 10 man regs in h2h, yet I still don’t see the point in joining a 10 man 50/50 where it’s 7 of the top players not even including myself. There’s just so many better spots to put my money than choosing to pull down my pants and get into penis measuring contest hoping to split the money from the 2-3 people who signed up last month and will probably be gone within a month as well.

    I play on yahoo as “Adam” I’m not speaking out of bitterness, I’m sure if you play on Yahoo then you’re familiar with me. Yahoo’s been good to me and I want to see it continue to grow and flourish and simply preventing people who are new and have no idea they are sitting down with 7 of the best in the world to fight for 5 payout slots is something that needs to be addressed.

  • DFSx42

    Another thought is if anyone plays h2hs of over $25 t(chose this because I wouldn’t want to discourage people from playing QMs and few people play $50 and higher h2hs) hen they are disqualified from playing anything $5 and below (other than gpp and single entry). for a certain amount of time

  • mogizzle

    Edit: nevermind, that guaranteed match is only good for the main slate.

  • DFSx42

    Thank you Yahoo!

    Just saw today’s $10 10x entry gpp for baseball. That payout structure is everyone we’ve been hoping for.

    This is so awesome.

  • DFSx42

    12k total
    1k 1st
    500 2nd
    400 3rd
    300 4th
    200 5th

    And then people finishing very deep still get a nice payout multiple instead of the participation trophy :)

    This is a wonderful development

  • precator

    Completely agree, but looks like they didn’t keep this balanced structure today 🤦🏻‍♂️

  • ElSlappo

    I loved that balanced GPP yesterday, hope to see more of that

    What did they do to the chat interface today? On my desktop, the icon no longer exists to go into the chat, and on my phone it keeps giving me an option to ‘update now’ but then just takes me to the Google Play page where it shows the app already being installed.

  • hautalak

    @ElSlappo said...

    What did they do to the chat interface today? On my desktop, the icon no longer exists to go into the chat, and on my phone it keeps giving me an option to ‘update now’ but then just takes me to the Google Play page where it shows the app already being installed.

    I know! I don’t know what to do without the chat feature right now. I knew they were updating it but I thought we would still be able to use it without some of the features. Hopefully it is up soon. We could see some big variety in our league tonight for a change.

  • eatmyturf23

    @NIN1002 said...

    I’m with you on this. I won’t even play 10 man contests anymore as there is no point in playing MORE moklovin, Killab, kirkdiese, Bric, papagates…..they are in EVERY SINGLE contest

    This post’s tl;dr … collusion problems, so place certain limits on vets, and by doing this you get the multitude of us out of our 10-man contest abstinence and you’ll actually garner more rake and be able to roll more contests.

    Details:

    Many of us have demonstrated clear proof of collusion to Daniel here, and Yahoo customer service, and received no answer. I understand those guys drive money in and help support the platform we all use. I’m very disappointed in zero replies however — so yes, as much as I like you Daniel from previous replies, I doubt your powers, after the effort I put in to share information privately to you and your service team, with zero reply. And this was how you treated me after I’ve given constructive technical feedback on other issues.

    Constructively, here:
    A reasonable solution is Brit’s and Nin’s. Yahoo can still garner a bunch of rake from those sharks/colluders. Just limit the $1 10-man contests that a Vet can enter (or a Vet with extreme daily play), whether a $1 tourney or a 50/50. Limit them to playing a fixed number, or limit them to playing only 1/3 or 1/2 of the $1 contests for the main slate.

    I’m a Vet and daily player, but I enter none of those contests, and I would happily enter as many as I’m allowed to. So would a bunch of us guys who have previously promoted Yahoo here on RG during NBA, and continue to share a love for the product.

    Our problem is that we have proven consistently there are 3-5 guys in a 10-man (and sometimes 6-8 in larger tourneys) that are colluding and entering either the same lineup, or the same but with 1 man different so that they can get their full core entered. They must be profit sharing, and yes this taints ALL of DFS sites. But Yahoo needs to catch up and do similar to what DK and FD have done here.

    What you lose by slightly limiting those colluders, you get back from the rest of us who simply fully abstain and prevent you from rolling out more contests.

  • eatmyturf23

    @LilStewie1999 said...

    I have recently started playing Yahoo and have noticed a few “ Sharks”

    Wait until you graduate from the No Vet contests, then you’ll see them. ;)

    There are 10-12 of them regularly co-building lineups and strategically entering together to get their planned core ownership within single entry contests (via the multitude of them). I could count on seeing 4-8 of that batch of a dozen in any given contest, with the exact same lineup. I tracked it daily across multiple weeks, and I provided Yahoo the details from a subset of my longer sampling. Across my collected data, there is zero argument for statistical chances that they would land on the same lineup. I only could have made that counter-argument on one of the many slates I looked at, so I don’t want to hear “plausible deniability” from anyone here. :)

  • DFSx42

    @eatmyturf23 said...

    This post’s tl;dr … collusion problems, so place certain limits on vets, and by doing this you get the multitude of us out of our 10-man contest abstinence and you’ll actually garner more rake and be able to roll more contests.

    This 100%. The first thing I tell anyone first getting into DFS is never play a 10 man group.

    I think the main reason why we see those same names in the 10 mans over and over again is a vicious circle.

    Let’s say 50 people would play 10 mans. But the first 5 in there are the same 5 familiar regs who are easily top 20 players.Those 50 who would have wanted to play then don’t. This artificially reduces the amount of people who would play 10 mans, so they fill very slowly waiting for people who don’t care about contest selection or have no idea who they are up against.

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