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  • DFSx42

    So… I checked out the slate this morning and lo and behold, Yahoo, which as recently as this week has advertisements out there lauding it’s 10 max entry format has a 150 mme gpp.

    I’m not against the offering, but can’t understand why they are making this hard pivot while actively advertising that 10 max lineups is the reason to play at Yahoo.

    But more importantly, there’s no csv lineup export option. So it’s going to be 150 lineups entered by hand…

    I’m not sure what to think of this.

    Discuss

  • zpruitt3

    Yeah don’t love that they deployed this change without implementing a csv lineup upload

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    I wish they would not have made such a huge jump but obviously they had huge overlay yesterday. Was the best contest to enter yesterday and somehow many people did not play it. Wish they would have went to 20 or 30 max entries and see how that went first.

  • Njsum1

    Yahoo has given away plenty of money during last NFL and NBA season’s guaranteed overlay contests. (Very generous of them). Yet the fact is, you can’t fill a 1mil GPP with a 10 max entry format.

    They have a solid site, yet I’m guessing at some point they’re going to want to try and turn a profit. A DFS site can’t profit without the big boys max entering. People can complain all they want, yet sites need high volume players if they want to offer attractive prize pools, without bleeding cash. Plain and simple.

    I’m guessing they’re not going 150 max in all their contests…they’ll still have 10 max and maybe 20 for some worthwhile GPP’s as well. I’m just guessing, yet it would make sense.

    Edit…I’m also guessing that they’re working on a csv option.

  • BBROCK

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    Not a fan that they decided to change their model, 10 entry max was the whole reason why I started playing over there.

  • ironmiket

    10 entry limit is the reason I play there too. Just look at the people who won on fanduel/draftkings. papagates and headchopper. Two max entry pro’s. I’m not competing against that. Now that yahoo has done this I’m done with that contest. Thought Yahoo was the one site where the little guys had a chance. I’d rather have 500,000 tournament with 10 entry if overlay was the reason

  • DFSx42

    i mean for me the main thing is that how many of the existing yahoo users both have 3k to put in a single gpp and have the time to do 150 lineups by hand… but then of the mme specialists who are rolled for this, why would they ever spend the time coming over and joining if it meant doing it manually?

  • DanielHaight

    • Yahoo Representative

    Working on csv upload. No guarantees it’ll be ready this week, but it’s in the works.

  • DFSx42

    they also still advertise on their site right in the lobby that the most lineups that can be entered in a single contest is 10 as well as the rules against scripts for ease of entering contests “to keep the pros out”

  • DFSx42

    @DanielHaight said...

    Working on csv upload. No guarantees it’ll be ready this week, but it’s in the works.

    if this is successful, will it be done like this every week?

  • Drew52786

    @DanielHaight said...

    Working on csv upload. No guarantees it’ll be ready this week, but it’s in the works.

    Daniel, can you give us some of the background behind this idea? I’ve exclusively played on yahoo for NFL the last 3 years specifically for the 10 entry max. I’m wondering if you could give some insight into the 150 knowing that it goes against the fair play ideas of the site.

  • nflfreak28

    This is very disappointing. As BBROCK and others have said, 10 entry max was the main reason I started playing DFS on Yahoo at all, specifically the 10 max for the no management fee big GPP. Please consider changing it back for future weeks. I know there was a bunch of overlay yesterday, but I’d much rather see the total entrants and total prize pool lowered and the limit kept at 10 max than see this.

  • nickps

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    @DanielHaight said...

    Working on csv upload. No guarantees it’ll be ready this week, but it’s in the works.

    I’m fine with the 150 max entries, but if CSV upload is added I see little reason to play Yahoo outside of the no management fee contests any more.

  • frugal

    I took a survey from them and quite a few questions centered around this. I hope it’s successful for them, but I personally have zero interest in 150 entry contests and have been pretty bummed out by many of the changes they’ve implemented in MLB contests since last season. Of course, I’m a total small time player so guys like me aren’t making them big money. Maybe these contests will pull some of the big dogs out of the smaller contests.

  • leib0039

    Giving a .csv and 150 MME will only add more bigs dogs to smaller contests frugal. Now some of them who did not take the time to worry about yahoo will hop in and then at that point why not enter every 50-50/h2h if its just a click away.

    100% understand why they are doing this, they can say Hey we are having a Million dollar contest too!, but I agree with everyone above, this is incredibly disappointing. And also a bit worried that Daniel came on and did not say much about not moving everything to 150 entry format eventually. Maybe just an oversight, I hope.

    I love playing on Yahoo, I hope that doesnt change.

  • BerkeleyBoss

    They got CRUSHED week 1, losing $250k+ from the Baller alone. They just aren’t bringing in players like they’d like. I wouldn’t be surprised if this one has overlay too, even with the 150 max.

  • rgriffin37

    I’m OK with the 150 max if it’s limited to just a flagship contest each week. It’s impossible to fill these huge contests with a 10 entry max, that’s just the reality. If they’re going to allow CSV uploads, they should also limit this to only contests that have a 150 entry max. I want to see Yahoo DFS succeed and a 10 entry max is basically a hard ceiling that caps their growth. Hopefully they can find a way to strike a balance between growth and staying true to what has been their core offering (10 max, etc.)

  • btwice80

    @DanielHaight said...

    Working on csv upload. No guarantees it’ll be ready this week, but it’s in the works.

    Damn, I was excited for a few minutes before seeing this^. Thought I would get to build as many lineups as I had time for without going up against the Optomizer’s crowd. Hopefully for one week I guess. Take your time, lol, don’t rush it out.

  • MiamiJAY

    Maybe if people in FLORIDA could play they would fill the 10 max contests???

  • britdevine

    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    @MiamiJAY said...

    Maybe if people in FLORIDA could play they would fill the 10 max contests???

    You can play in Florida now

  • NIN1002

    I never thought I would see the 150 max entry days at Yahoo, but here we are. A stunner!

    Having played exclusively Yahoo DFS pretty much from day 1, I’ve seen it all. Every year week 1 has featured the million dollar prize pool. In years past, the entry was $10 and this year it was $25. A noticeable jump, but the metrics are the same ($1,000,000 prize pool).

    The difference between this offering in week 2 and other years and in other years the week 2 pool was $750K followed by week 3 being $500K and trickling on down until we are left with the $100K guaranteed in the top GPP by week 17. It’s been the same pattern every year. So, to that end, this is a huge difference. This is the first time Yahoo has had back to back million dollar total prize pool guaranteed so that is something.

    As for the whales, it’s no mystery who those names are. And they already pollute and contaminate the site to no end with absolutely no shot to avoid them. Regardless of how hard you try and how tiny the pool is, you will be playing a handful of the elites without fail. I would FAR rather see Yahoo find a way to contain and preserve the micro levels in the micro contests (i.e. $1 10-person 50/50) with some sort of limit or protection against the moklovins, Bric, papagates that enter 100% of these contests. Unfortunately, the powers that be go entirely silent on even this topic being broached by the masses and clearly the lack of communication from Yahoo is actually a pretty clear message of how they will respond (they don’t care and moklovin and company will be able to enter as many $.25 and $1 contests as Yahoo can generate). It’s the classic case of sometimes what isn’t said is your answer.

    As for this 150 max entry thing, I’m not really concerned one way or the other. There are other large GPP’s at Yahoo for $10, $7, $2, $1, and $.25….all of which have 10 max entry limits. Also, I have yet to actually see the whales actually enter more than one lineup. All these jackwagons do is mass enter the same lineup 10 times and none of them think otherwise. Will they even bother submitting more than one lineup? I’ve yet to see that with the 10 max entry level so it’s hard to envision them changing up their approach with the 150 max entry. However, if and when this exporting .csv (another gold medal marketing point for playing at Yahoo by not having the ability to do that) becomes a reality, then the game changes. Lets be honest here….like $3,000 matters to any of these players. Chump change. Most likely this will just let these guys enter their same lineup 150 times and they won’t think twice about it.

    I will most likely have the same number of entries into this giant thing (2) as I did last week in the million dollar thing for $25.

    So, I suppose to wrap it up….I’m not necessarily against this change, as this is the only GPP that has this 150 max thing and all the other GPP’s are as they always were. If this change extends farther than 2 or 3 GPP’s, then it’s going to be not as appealing. And again, if anything needs to be fixed at Yahoo, it’s finding a way to prevent moklovin, papagates and company from wiping out the little guys on the $1 and $.25 level in 50/50’s that pay out $1.80 if you win. Those guys should police themselves on their own, but they are the most selfish, and completely unconcerned about any type of fair play with Yahoo’s blessing to take pennies from the poor man. Shame on them and shame on Yahoo for offering zero protection against this type of flagrant abuse over and over and over without any chance to get away from it.

  • depalma13

    Yahoo: Welcome back Florida!

    Florida: Great! Been waiting 3 years to play those 10 lineup restricted contests that are all the rage.

    Yahoo: Great news we are raising are contest limit to 150 entries and we are allowing CSVs!

    Florida: Good bye Yahoo.

  • jsw3ent

    Last week was the 1st week playing on yahoo——I played there BECAUSE of the 10 lineup max entries . I would rather they lower the prize pool and keep the 10 max.

  • frugal

    @leib0039 said...

    Giving a .csv and 150 MME will only add more bigs dogs to smaller contests frugal. Now some of them who did not take the time to worry about yahoo will hop in and then at that point why not enter every 50-50/h2h if its just a click away.

    100% understand why they are doing this, they can say Hey we are having a Million dollar contest too!, but I agree with everyone above, this is incredibly disappointing. And also a bit worried that Daniel came on and did not say much about not moving everything to 150 entry format eventually. Maybe just an oversight, I hope.

    I love playing on Yahoo, I hope that doesnt change.

    Yeah, this has been a frustrating trend. This MLB season with them doing away with the larger 50/100 player 50/50 and double ups what happens is the 10 player contests fill up quick with sharks so winning those has gotten harder.

  • bigez952

    I agree with most people in this thread that csv uploads are terrible for DFS players that actually put in the work to research and hand build lineups. The current landscape of DFS doesn’t take much skill if you can just subscribe to the best optimizer, push generate, and click upload. It all can be done in about 10 clicks and only take about 45 seconds of effort.

  • zpruitt3

    @bigez952 said...

    I agree with most people in this thread that csv uploads are terrible for DFS players that actually put in the work to research and hand build lineups. The current landscape of DFS doesn’t take much skill if you can just subscribe to the best optimizer, push generate, and click upload. It all can be done in about 10 clicks and only take about 45 seconds of effort.

    Is this what people think?

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