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  • DanielHaight

    • Yahoo Representative

    Hey guys,

    We just launched QuickMatch yesterday afternoon. QuickMatch will auto-match you to another Yahoo DFS player based on your skill level, into a rake-free and guaranteed H2H contest. If we don’t find you a match, you’ll win automatically.

    Check it out and let me know if you have any feedback! Right now only on web, but will be in apps shortly: https://sports.yahoo.com/dailyfantasy/quickmatch/create?pid=rotogrinders&aid=rotogrinders.

    Dan

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    This is kind of a big deal. They just rolled it out last night and it guarantees you a match with someone of similar skill. If they are unable to match you up with someone, you automatically win. As of now, it’s a bit limited with $25 being the highest option available, but I’m sure it will rise soon. It’s a super cool concept and I hope the industry embraces it. Also, if profit is important, their GPPs overlay everyday. :)

  • PhoFever

    Saw that. Wondering how they are going to determine “skill level.” It looks like it was just overall wins, but I’m not sure how accurate that will be as a metric. I think that overall $ won is a more important measure. I have a lot of wins myself, for example, but always in the $1 and $2 contests. I’m concerned they would place a small player like me up against sharks who play for much bigger stakes.

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @Seahawktom said...

    Saw that. Wondering how they are going to determine “skill level.” It looks like it was just overall wins, but I’m not sure how accurate that will be as a metric. I think that overall $ won is a more important measure. I have a lot of wins myself, for example, but always in the $1 and $2 contests. I’m concerned they would place a small player like me up against sharks who play for much bigger stakes.

    There is more info right next to the QuickMatch link. I’m not certain how actual ratings are determined, but everyone has a rating. If you are diamond, for example, you will be against other diamond players.

  • hautalak

    It does seem a bit misleading. I am newer to Yahoo and have played 27 NBA slates with 9 paid wins but am “Platinum” in the 88th percentile. I sure as hell wouldn’t want to play any other platinum competition in h2h considering NBA is my least knowledgeable sport. I am “gold” in NHL with 47 slates and 40 paid wins in the 54th percentile. Not sure what QM wins means either. I think it comes down to where you finish or NBA is just much more difficult to cash in on a consistent basis. My NBA finishes were “higher” comparatively but less lineups cashing. Idk but something seems off there because I’m not “Platinum” at NBA lol

    In the end this is moot since I never play h2h and they make it difficult for private h2h. Is there a way to invite by username?

  • DanielHaight

    • Yahoo Representative

    @Seahawktom said...

    Wondering how they are going to determine “skill level.”

    Ratings are determined by a proprietary algo, but at a high level we look at your score in slates you participated in and compare it to the average and standard deviation of everyone else’s scores in the same slate. We do some magic and smoothing to ensure no sudden jumps between levels based on any kind of recency bias.

  • yisman

    great offer, but my ratings don’t seem right. Everyone knows I’m pretty bad, yet Yahoo ratings have me diamond in every sport.

  • hautalak

    @yisman said...

    great offer, but my ratings don’t seem right. Everyone knows I’m pretty bad, yet Yahoo ratings have me diamond in every sport.

    Yeah I curious of this as well. I will admit the “diamond” got in my head for NBA so I had to play a later (8pm) slate and was my only W (x4 payout) including my other 2 NHL contests. Maybe I will keep throwing in small NBA GPP entries.

  • d735123

    No rake, wow! I’ll play as much as possible at that price (i.e., free). How long will the 0% rake last?

  • DanielHaight

    • Yahoo Representative

    @d735123 said...

    No rake, wow! I’ll play as much as possible at that price (i.e., free). How long will the 0% rake last?

    If this is successful, we won’t add a fee. This feature is geared towards onboarding new users in a safe and easy way. Guaranteeing the contests might change, depending on how much we lose every day by unfilled contests ;). But so far it’s not a problem…

  • blacklynx39

    They have already canceled the Guarantee feature. I guess it is better than when they were matching after the start times.

  • DanielHaight

    • Yahoo Representative

    @blacklynx39 said...

    They have already canceled the Guarantee feature. I guess it is better than when they were matching after the start times.

    We are still guaranteeing all Main slate QuickMatches. Just removed guarantee from non-main slates, which were not very popular and oftentimes had only 1 player joining per entry fee per level. If we can scale up then we’ll add it back.

  • KlairVoyant

    • 388

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    • Ranked #72

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    • Blogger of the Month

    This seems like a perfect way for experienced elite players to ensure they get matched with a weaker player by giving their lineup to someone else or using someones fish account. What are you going to do to prevent this?

  • Shhhhhhhh

    The only thing less efficient than Yahoo’s “algorithm” for H2H matches is their “algorithm” that defines someone as a “Vet” or not……. Luck out on 1 decent win and all of a sudden you have to play Moklovin in every game, literally….. And you’ll also instantly become ‘platinum” in H2H. LOL

    It’s so absurd it’s almost hard to complain about , it’s just down right silly.

    It’s beyond me how these companies can’t do the right thing, who’s in charge of this…… How did he get the job?

    Granted, Yahoo can’t even keep the scores right at least twice a week. lol

    Hey Yahoo…… Go download TensorFlow… get an algorithm that works. The algorithm from the back of a bar napkin isn’t really cutting it.

  • d735123

    @Shhhhhhhh said...

    The only thing less efficient than Yahoo’s “algorithm” for H2H matches is their “algorithm” that defines someone as a “Vet” or not……. Luck out on 1 decent win and all of a sudden you have to play Moklovin in every game, literally….. And you’ll also instantly become ‘platinum” in H2H. LOL

    It’s so absurd it’s almost hard to complain about , it’s just down right silly.

    It’s beyond me how these companies can’t do the right thing, who’s in charge of this…… How did he get the job?

    Granted, Yahoo can’t even keep the scores right at least twice a week. lol

    Hey Yahoo…… Go download TensorFlow… get an algorithm that works. The algorithm from the back of a bar napkin isn’t really cutting it.

    Don’t complain, exploit. This is an easy one to figure out.

  • DanielHaight

    • Yahoo Representative

    @Shhhhhhhh said...

    who’s in charge of this…… How did he get the job?

    As one would assume, I slept my way to the top.

    Veteran definitions are defined by state regulations, in the specific manner in which we implemented them. Not much flexibility we have there.

  • yisman

    lay off Daniel

    what Yahoo is doing is great. I agree that the ratings don’t always make sense, but right now I’d take what Yahoo is doing over any site.

  • sasmallen

    • 474

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    • Ranked #51

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    @yisman said...

    lay off Daniel

    what Yahoo is doing is great. I agree that the ratings don’t always make sense, but right now I’d take what Yahoo is doing over any site.

    I agree. Daniel is always been available when there are questions and concerns about Yahoo DFS, plus I’ve seen Daniel implement quite a few suggestions posted by RG members in the forum. You don’t see sites like FD doing stuff like that anymore.

  • NIN1002

    I never really much cared for playing H2H at Yahoo since I would run down all the guys who were creating those matches and it was pretty much a whos who of players that play on all the sites. And, all those same guys are in EVERY contest as it is from $1 to $1000 and everything in between. The way I see it, I was getting enough moklovin/LAWFORMPRO/Hoop2410, etc. exposure every night without having to play these guys in H2H games.

    With that said, I have been playing one $5 QM every night on the main slate. My very first one was against…moklovin!! Since then, I’ve played someone different every single night and most of these people I am not familiar with who they are (it would be hard to know every single person, but there are a few names that always stand out). So, I’ll most likely stick with my one $5 QM every night as it’s not really moving the bankroll much one way or another, there is no rake, and every night I’ve played someone different.

  • blabbles

    So I have a bit of a gripe over the Quickmatch ranking approach. I just completed my fifth match for determining ranking. I went 4-1, hooray! Uh, but two of those games were ones in which the site couldn’t find me a match, and so I played against nobody and won automatically. Yay for me, I suppose, as I’ll take free money. But those “wins” tell nobody nothin’ about my DFS ability, just my timing (and in fact those 2 lineups were actually kind of crappy). I really went 2-1 with two forfeits. And yet I got put in the “95th percentile” category. You would think that the algorithm would include something like score vs. the field on that slate, no? That’s what we’re really concerned with, not the actual high-variance H2H results right?

    Anyway I suppose I’ll proceed to go get my ass kicked for awhile till I end up busting down to whatever level I should be at.

  • prodigalchicken

    @yisman said...

    lay off Daniel

    what Yahoo is doing is great.

    100% agree. Yahoo is making real strides. And Daniel’s engagement in the community means a lot.

  • DanielHaight

    • Yahoo Representative

    @blabbles said...

    You would think that the algorithm would include something like score vs. the field on that slate, no? That’s what we’re really concerned with, not the actual high-variance H2H results right?

    Actually the ranking is precisely how you want it to be. We don’t look at won-loss records, we are mainly comparing your score vs the avg and variance of the slates you participate in—plus some added proprietary magic.

  • yisman

    RE: ratings

    I’ve played NBA probably over 80% of the available slates this season.

    From when ratings debuted until 4/27/18, I was 99th percentile in NBA.

    Now, due to a few bad playoff slates, I fell to 76th on 5/9/18 and have been there ever since.

    Just logically, I have a pretty big sample already and a few bad scores should not result in such a drastic shift in my ratings.

  • YoungFischer

    Are lineups entered into the 50/50’s thrown together in the same player ranking averages as lineups entered into the large field guaranteed tournaments?

  • DanielHaight

    • Yahoo Representative

    @YoungFischer said...

    Are lineups entered into the 50/50’s thrown together in the same player ranking averages as lineups entered into the large field guaranteed tournaments?

    Yes, all lineups factor into quickmatch ratings equally.

  • tjventre

    @DanielHaight said...

    Yes, all lineups factor into quickmatch ratings equally.

    How about free contests? Do they factor in? Could someone artificially deflate his/her ranking by putting a bunch of skunks in the free contests, then putting a real (+EV) linuep in paid contests? Doing this wouldn’t cost anything (provided he/she wins the paid contests), but would help keep the player’s average score — and thus probably the QM ranking — generally lower over time. I’m sure you’ve considered this, but I just thought I’d ask.

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