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  • BobbyTheBrain

    Last night on fanduel $77 entry 200k mlb grand slam 32 people tied with 224.8 pts.
    Of those 32 people 11 of them have the same damn avatar and lineup. How in the hell can you explain that. This is becoming a problem and a major frustration to a recreational player like myself. Daily fantasy better nip this in the bud or the industry is going to end up like the online poker industry did

  • SelfCharmer

    People buying LUs for a $77 GPP

  • BobbyTheBrain

    @billholler said...

    Seems like all you post are conspiracy theories and I just call you out on your bullshit.

    How the hell is it a conspiracy theory please tell me…it is a proven fact they are purchasing/sharing lineups. Now because all of those people that tied in pts my winnings went down. I finished not far behind them and would have moved up 1 tier in winnings. So when you can be a big boy and admit that there is a dark side to dfs as well as a good side we can talk. Until then keep getting taken advantage of.

  • TeamTwerk

    I often hear people say that it’s ok because purchased lineups are generally bad and don’t typically do well. Why would this be the case? An elite DFS player could just as easily decide to sell lineups for whatever reason and all the purchased lineups would be elite and hurt the contests.

  • Dainfamousac

    @TeamTwerk said...

    I often hear people say that it’s ok because purchased lineups are generally bad and don’t typically do well. Why would this be the case? An elite DFS player could just as easily decide to sell lineups for whatever reason and all the purchased lineups would be elite and hurt the contests.

    Why would an elite DFS player start selling line ups?

    The money they’d lose by chopping winnings wouldn’t be made up by subscription earnings. Would be -EV.

  • WidumBoise

    @walkoff9 said...

    The more morons throwing lineups in gpp’s the better.

  • WidumBoise

    @BobbyTheBrain said...

    This is becoming a problem and a major frustration to a recreational player like myself.

    No, it is actually a blessing in disguise.

    If they all keep jamming these dupe lineups into GPP, the effective rake% goes down since these dupes are effectively DEAD MONEY when they don’t hit, which is ALMOST ALWAYS.

  • raymond333

    This^^^

    One thing I found (especially with baseball), is there are certain people hitting heavy every nite, and most of them probably dont sell lines, as they dont want to take money from themselves, after doing all of the grinding. But there are literally 100’s (no bullshit, they bug me on IG everyday) of these guys out here selling lines. I do know of a couple that are pretty good, and what I would consider somewhat professional (vs a college kid just trying to make change).

    But even they go through rough spells….I mean we all do, the difference is your adding in another variable by paying the seller. So now you need to make sure your getting ROI on your entry fees, and then also how much you paid this person lol. I actually thought of selling NBA lines as I was killing it, but I just dont have the time. I’ve used a service before, but I find myself questioning them on certain players, why they arent playing certain other players, and end up building my own line anyways lol.

  • jokerswild22

    @Dainfamousac said...

    Why would an elite DFS player start selling line ups?

    The money they’d lose by chopping winnings wouldn’t be made up by subscription earnings. Would be -EV.

    Because they can use subscriber money to win the Thunderdome while their lineup 2nd level cashes a mass entry GPP.

  • bucherpsu08

    Do you have link to the contest? This topic is brought up quite a bit. I never understood why people have such issue with lineup selling but have no issue with the abundance of sites offering a free optimal lineup every day based on their projections (this site included).

  • bucherpsu08

    On any given night during the NBA season, you’ll see like 40+ people with the optimal lineup that rotowire spits out 5 minutes before lock in the low end tourneys.

  • jayzee666

    Play single and minimum entry games???
    Hell, if buying lineups wins me good money even once a month, I am in! :)

  • raymond333

    @jayzee666 said...

    Play single and minimum entry games???
    Hell, if buying lineups wins me good money even once a month, I am in! :)

    There are some decent one’s out there, but there are more bs ones out there….so if you’re going to go that route, I would pay the extra and go with an AC Karma or Roto Radar, or someone like that. Still going to have losses, but these guys study the shit pretty good, so their success rates arent bad. But research first if you are thinking about it, otherwise you are just going to waste money.

  • tomac

    @jayzee666 said...

    Play single and minimum entry games???
    Hell, if buying lineups wins me good money even once a month, I am in! :)

    How would playing single entry games solve this issue?

  • jayzee666

    @tomac said...

    How would playing single entry games solve this issue?

    I would assume majority of these large/huge tourneys are multi entries, 150 max? When “trains” are used, I assume 10, 20, 30 entries at the very least? Easier to plug in the same LU 30-150 times hoping to hit big? With single entry, that one avatar/player with 11 same lineups reduces down to 1. Multiple that by the number of players doing the same thing.
    Unless these players are just going to automatically enter every single contest with the same “optimized” lineup, then it doesn’t matter and you cant really stop it nor should you try. LU builders aren’t guaranteed and i see “top projected plays” fail all the time.

  • billholler

    @WidumBoise said...

    these dupes are effectively DEAD MONEY when they don’t hit, which is ALMOST ALWAYS.

    Wow, common sense in a conspiracy theory post.

    You can rest assured though that the one time a year these lineups cash, our little boy Bobby will be here to waste bandwidth whining about it because he wasn’t good enough to make the same LU on his own.

  • TeamTwerk

    First of all the dupe argument doesn’t work with cash games. It is a real problem that will inevitably get worse if the sites allow it/ do nothing.

    As far as GPPs and the idea that a sold lineup can never be successful due to dupes is crap. There are so many ways that these lineups can be +EV . For instance, the seller can sell a unique lineup to each buyer or put a very low cap on number of each lineup sold. Agreements can be made as to which tournament on which site they are to be entered to avoid dupes.

    I think it is a good thing that DK has tried to do something about this problem and I hope they continue to do what they can.

  • EadesScience

    @TeamTwerk said...

    Agreements can be made as to which tournament on which site they are to be entered to avoid dupes.

    Very Interesting thought right there. And just to add that I am fairly certain that integrity, along with honesty, are prevalent within the DFS industry.

  • TeamTwerk

    @EadesScience said...

    Very Interesting thought right there. And just to add that I am fairly certain that integrity, along with honesty, are prevalent within the DFS industry.

    Apparently the sellers already get their buyers to use a specific avatar as a way to regulate the use and reselling of their lineups. It is not far fetched at all that they could try to limit the lineup to certain contests.

  • not4you25

    I bought two week of these ready made lineups just to educate myself and see what it was all about. I don’t want to call out the LU seller but it I lost a ton playing their GPP LUs and made a BEELINE towards the door. The scores they produced on Fanduel where between 23-150 with the median being around 80. If you follow baseball or you don’t, there is much better free advice out there. Think about it, they enter the same GPPs that we do, why would they want to split 1st place money. They aren’t going to give out there best LU for any price. Buying LUs is a scam. Any winning LU they give you means they lose money. As Bobby pointed out, even a blind squirrel or 32 finds a nut now and then. This squirrel is still looking for his but I ain’t looking to split it. I would gladly play against only bought lineups every night in GPPs.

  • raymond333

    @TeamTwerk said...

    Apparently the sellers already get their buyers to use a specific avatar as a way to regulate the use and reselling of their lineups. It is not far fetched at all that they could try to limit the lineup to certain contests.

    Yes, they will limit certain packages because of this. – not wanting too many of the same people, with the same lineup in the same contest. So I’ve seen where they say they are no longer offering a package, or they cap it…or they do what you said, and advise to play different contest.

  • raymond333

    @not4you25 said...

    I bought two week of these ready made lineups just to educate myself and see what it was all about. I don’t want to call out the LU seller but it I lost a ton playing their GPP LUs and made a BEELINE towards the door. The scores they produced on Fanduel where between 23-150 with the median being around 80. If you follow baseball or you don’t, there is much better free advice out there. Think about it, they enter the same GPPs that we do, why would they want to split 1st place money. They aren’t going to give out there best LU for any price. Buying LUs is a scam. Any winning LU they give you means they lose money. As Bobby pointed out, even a blind squirrel or 32 finds a nut now and then. This squirrel is still looking for his but I ain’t looking to split it. I would gladly play against only bought lineups every night in GPPs.

    You make an interesting point…but then on the flip side, they do have sellers out there that post winnings daily, and are trying to ‘own’ that spot as a DFS seller, so the better they do and win, the more people are going to want to jump on board. Are they the best lineups, maybe, maybe not, Idk.

    Some of these guys bankrolls that they show, are crazy high. And some compete in Vegas or whatever. Could they be screen printing some bs from the web, of course, but alot of times they will include their names, and people will comment and say they got the same win with the line, so that part is obviously true (ok, well more than likely, I know anything is possible on the web). Again, I think this separates some real legit companies out there, vs a kid just trying to do some research, pick like any of us do (or worse), and just hope they get lucky lol.

    But on the other side, yes, if they start sucking, then all those spots/avatars/people, become dead plays, and increase people doing their own researches chances, agreed 100%.

  • BobbyTheBrain

    @billholler said...

    Wow, common sense in a conspiracy theory post.

    You can rest assured though that the one time a year these lineups cash, our little boy Bobby will be here to waste bandwidth whining about it because he wasn’t good enough to make the same LU on his own.

    Clearly takes shortcuts in life. Clearly bends dfs rules on the daily and gets offended like a little girl when people like himself get called out. And quite obviously has very small hands

  • raymond333

    @TeamTwerk said...

    Apparently the sellers already get their buyers to use a specific avatar as a way to regulate the use and reselling of their lineups. It is not far fetched at all that they could try to limit the lineup to certain contests.

    Yes, from what I’ve seen this is very common (both the avatars and limiting certain contest or even slates). For example, someone I know was using one, that only their top package would get the early onlys, and turbos, etc, as they said they had to limit how many people they could give an early only lineup out to, to avoid ties or too many in the same contest with that lineup, that causes some not to cash at all.

  • ebsteelers

    and a lot of these sites brag when they win and screenshot like crazy, but when they lose its not even mentioned or its made a joke

    also not with the optos, but when sites give out, 5 of each position and 15 outfielders… yes your bound to have some of those players hit. and then its brag about those players and not even mention the guy who stinks

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