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  • plugman

    2011 FFFC Finalist

    • 2011 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    Good job dan

  • Syko

    Good job keeping the interview going, seemed like hard work. I found max pretty condescending, but I guess it’s not hard to get that way when you’re shipping everything. I certainly don’t blame him for gaming the system to win as much as he can, though, like most people do. Congrats on the big night.

  • thegreenmeans

    Very good info Ty for sharing

  • borkbork

    Great interview, as always, Dan.

    MaxDalury, congratulations! That is an absolutely sick performance and you deserve credit for your skill, which gets overlooked by this idiotic debate.

    Syko, I’m going to have to say you’ve got some selective hearing. I thought Max did a great job of being as forthcoming as any of us would be under the circumstances, to wit, being attacked for being great at what he does. If Lebron had to listen to, “Hey, why don’t you just chill and let the Sixers win once in awhile, instead of focusing on being the best you can be” I think he’d be a tad bit annoyed. If theres something that you excel in at life, I bet you’d be pissed if people suggested you ought to give a little bit less. I know I would.

    I play 3-7 lineups a day on average at the $2 stake, so I’m not trying to protect my interests, just being fair and suggesting that we celebrate excellence as opposed to justifying why we might not be so excellent ourselves. And then focus on getting better.

    The high-volume players are a self-selecting lot, based on skill level. Yes, they win more than others, because the ones who lose don’t get to be high-volume players for long.

    If the rest of us invested half the time some of us invest in justifying our jealousy, and instead looked at how we can get better, our time would be much better spent.

  • SouthernShield

    I really like these interviews with the successful people in DFS. I selfishly look for a bit of info on what they are doing to see if I can apply that to how I play.

    I felt like “Max” was a tad uncomfortable with the attention, or he was afraid that the reaction to the interview would be negative.

    Personally, I’m glad he did the interview. I find it very interesting listening to people who have the cojones to put so much $$$ in play on a single night. Then again, I’m sure it’s to correct play based on their BR.

    Enough rambling from me.

    TLDR I like these types of interviews, keep doing them pleas.

  • Syko

    @borkbork said...

    Great interview, as always, Dan.

    MaxDalury, congratulations! That is an absolutely sick performance and you deserve credit for your skill, which gets overlooked by this idiotic debate.

    Syko, I’m going to have to say you’ve got some selective hearing. I thought Max did a great job of being as forthcoming as any of us would be under the circumstances, to wit, being attacked for being great at what he does. If Lebron had to listen to, “Hey, why don’t you just chill and let the Sixers win once in awhile, instead of focusing on being the best you can be” I think he’d be a tad bit annoyed. If theres something that you excel in at life, I bet you’d be pissed if people suggested you ought to give a little bit less. I know I would.

    I play 3-7 lineups a day on average at the $2 stake, so I’m not trying to protect my interests, just being fair and suggesting that we celebrate excellence as opposed to justifying why we might not be so excellent ourselves. And then focus on getting better.

    The high-volume players are a self-selecting lot, based on skill level. Yes, they win more than others, because the ones who lose don’t get to be high-volume players for long.

    If the rest of us invested half the time some of us invest in justifying our jealousy, and instead looked at how we can get better, our time would be much better spent.

    Fair enough. I’m certainly not one of the people that fault him for what he does. I completely respect the thought he puts into attacking this opportunity.

  • borkbork

    Syko, I didn’t mean to single you out as faulting people like MaxDalury for what he does, but I see that I did and I’m sorry. Thanks for your mature response. The fact that this is even a discussion just bothers me, because I prefer to see excellence in any area of life lifted up as an example for what any of us can become if we focus on attaining that excellence, not finding reasons to criticize those who have done what we are unwilling or unable to do.

    I apologize for making that seem as if I was responding to you, as opposed to the loud voices of jealousy that I hear surrounding this topic.

  • borkbork

    I think it is interesting to note that the great players who tend toward fewer entries (I’m looking at you, JMToWin) don’t feel the need to criticize those who are successful another way. It is the people who, like me, are breaking even or losing a little bit of money, who like to delude themselves into thinking that they’d be killing it if they had a bigger bankroll like Max does or could stack every team.

    Those who are good enough to make big money playing hundreds of lineups once their bankroll gets to the point where they can, don’t try to minimize the excellence of the very few who are already able to do so. Just like those who are committed to becoming successful in any other area of life don’t feel the need to minimize the results of those who already are.

  • Syko

    @borkbork said...

    Syko, I didn’t mean to single you out as faulting people like MaxDalury for what he does, but I see that I did and I’m sorry. Thanks for your mature response. The fact that this is even a discussion just bothers me, because I prefer to see excellence in any area of life lifted up as an example for what any of us can become if we focus on attaining that excellence, not finding reasons to criticize those who have done what we are unwilling or unable to do.

    I apologize for making that seem as if I was responding to you, as opposed to the loud voices of jealousy that I hear surrounding this topic.

    Well, I’m also frustrated by the other side of the coin. Many people are going over the top to say there is no reason people should be frustrated by mass multi-entry. That’s not true. I realize they aren’t covering every possible LU (obviously) but it is an absolutely huge advantage. I don’t think it should be stopped, though it could probably be tightened down on a little, but I think many people find it annoying when certain talking heads completely downplay this.

  • sheriffolds

    Great get Danny. THX

  • plugman

    2011 FFFC Finalist

    • 2011 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    I have mixed feelings on this, I am jealous of the bank roll and ability to fire several bullets in each contest but realize it is a necessary evil for gpp growth. I think putting in multiple entries in a gpp is a huge advantage. A good analogy would be trying to hit a target from long distance with a rifle. Obviously it would be easier to nail a bullseye with 100 or 888 bullets instead of 1 or 2. That being said its not impossible for someone to step up and fire one shot and hit that bullseye. Its the old chip and a chair saying. I remember taking on max in snakes on draftstreet and looked forward to matching wits with him. Stacking and playing multiple entries still takes skill. If it was easy we would all just risk our mortgage payments every week right ?

  • Stangs13

    Loved the interview Dan and Max. The only thing I feel odd about is Maxs answer to how he can keep up with 888 entries. In this forum where i feel like everyone is here to learn it wouldnt be bad to share this info. Max would probably win more money if the fish like me were able to have a system to put in that many lineups. It just seems like something no one on the forums can grasp and with out giving some type of answer it just seems a bit fishy to me. Again loved the interview you guys did great I just wish max would have been a little more open with his answer.

  • JoePits

    Obviously has a team of people working on his account. That’s against the rules right?

  • kmsurfs2000

    props to him for having the stones to put up up the cash and working the system-with that being said I am not super impressed by taking down a tournament with that many entries-I would be curious on how he manages the teams but I doubt he will ever tell that and I dont blame him.

  • Immaculate

    @kmsurfs2000 said...

    props to him for having the stones to put up up the cash and working the system-with that being said I am not super impressed by taking down a tournament with that many entries-I would be curious on how he manages the teams but I doubt he will ever tell that and I dont blame him.

    I think this discussion has arrived at the core point. If Maxdalury is using a human team that inputs his entries manually there is probably no issue, but if he is using a computer program, script or device to do the input automatically, we have to ask whether it is against the Terms of Use of the various sites. We really need to have a rep from FD and DK give an opinion on automated L/U input. Not saying this is how Max is managing hundreds of lineups, I don’t know, but just to clear the air it would be helpful if the two DFS companies would weigh in on the acceptability of the process. If a site declares that automated L/U entry is allowed, probably more than a few players would be interested in providing or using this service/product. I believe FD and DK have a responsibility to clarify this grey area.

  • kb32dawgs

    I usually like these interviews but this one was freaking horrible, this mumbling nerd is only winning by creating software or an algorithm that spits out random line ups for him and he’s playing his odds in numbers. There’s such a huge variance in baseball that there’s absolutely no way of telling who will go off on a nightly basis. When Dan asked him point blank if he was using an algorithm to pick his teams he didn’t want to answer cause he doesn’t want the world to know that he’s using an advantage that most novice players use. Players that want to play for fun are not winning like these super nerds are and over time, the average Joe’s will fade away cause they are getting beat by guys who work the system and beat out average guys every single night. If you notice that most of the big time players have a background in computer programming or technology and they are building software that the average player has no freaking chance of beating. Just my opinion anyway.

  • hammer74

    what a dryball!

  • deactivated53513

    Great interview DB and props to Maxdalury for having some balls. Fuck the Haters!!

  • mannmicj

    “Keep that to myself.” The answer lies in this statement.

    Unfortunately, this is the part of DFS that isn’t really clear. Some of the high volume users are basically a company (teams) playing DFS. If regulation is in the future, this is has be a huge target. Who is really entering and what tools (computer program, team of people) are they using. If a team is working with someone, is it legally a business. If it’s a computer program entering the lineups, does it have enough human element to make it legit. There are a lot of questions here and it’s not just Max that brings them to light. This is why the conversation is ongoing about sites regulating themselves, or states having to do it down the road. I hope that the sites take it upon themselves to protect the long term of DFS. Max also made it clear that while he “cares” about DFS, he wants to make money. To me, he is playing within the current rules, but it’s not good for DFS long term. It’s not up to him to care about long-term if he can make money and take advantage now. Many of us would like the high volume folks to care about the long-term, but by no means do they have to. It’s an individual decision and maybe a moral one as well.

    I’m having to change with DFS everyday. I can’t be upset at yesterday’s outcome. I can only learn from it and move on to today.

    BTW – There is nothing better than beating a high volume player. It can be done. The opportunity is in front of all of us each and every day. Good day grinders.

  • ataggart

    @kb32dawgs said...

    I usually like these interviews but this one was freaking horrible, this mumbling nerd is only winning by creating software or an algorithm that spits out random line ups for him and he’s playing his odds in numbers. There’s such a huge variance in baseball that there’s absolutely no way of telling who will go off on a nightly basis. When Dan asked him point blank if he was using an algorithm to pick his teams he didn’t want to answer cause he doesn’t want the world to know that he’s using an advantage that most novice players use. Players that want to play for fun are not winning like these super nerds are and over time, the average Joe’s will fade away cause they are getting beat by guys who work the system and beat out average guys every single night. If you notice that most of the big time players have a background in computer programming or technology and they are building software that the average player has no freaking chance of beating. Just my opinion anyway.

    People who have an algorithm that works that well is pretty impressive to me. Who knows how long it took him to build whatever it is he uses. If you are smart enough and have the skills to do that, you SHOULD be rewarded.

    People criticize him for not caring about anything other than his bankroll. I would be the exact same way, but to each his own.

    BTW, I assume he has a model that he enters in the stacks and players he wants exposure to (and how much exposure to each player), and it spits out lineups and diversifies his exposure to each player according to constraints. I would find it hard to believe he manually creates the lineups.

  • evan121110

    I legitimately don’t understand the argument against multi entry. I spend about $10 a night and have fun. I have no expectation that I am winning a gpp and most people shouldnt. Do people think if you took his 888 entries out they would have won? You still need to put in a near perfect lineup to have a chance anyway. And guess what, if Max doesn’t put in that many lineups and 20 other people don’t put in a couple hundred plus, DK doesn’t run a million $ tourney! You need multi entry to have large prize pool tournies. And who cares if he has software, is that software hitting a baseball every night. If Danks throws a shut out that night he loses 10G’s+ and no one is talking about this. Good for him and I hope, for prize pool sake, multi entries stay around. And do people complain about a company buying 10,000 tickets to Power Ball when it’s $500,000,000?

  • mannmicj

    evan,

    I always play to win. Yes, I expect to cash in my gpps. Even with 888 entries from one user, I still have high expectations. The bottom line is, I believe in my lineups each and every day.

  • qnova34

    lol obviously he has a script to maintain 888 lineups

  • cBraund

    If you have the guts to put in over 800 LUs at $27 a pop, using essentially the same two pitchers and one of those pitchers is the most expensive in the league, then you deserve all the good fortune that comes with that humongous risk. Just imagine if one of those pitchers got rocked or Kershaw was merely average, then this is a totally different story. Maybe none of those LUs cash and there’s $25,000 still out there.

  • red03cobra

    .

    His edge is greater than mine, congrats to him and his accomplishments, no issues. I choose not to play in any gpp’s he is playing. “Issue” resolved.

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